jranieli Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2009/01...e_giants_c.html NOTEBOOK Eli Manning, Brandon Jacobs, Derrick Ward, Amani Toomer, and James Butler, listen up: There's suddenly more money for the Giants to potentially throw your way in 2009. And you can thank backup tight end Darcy Johnson for that. According to NFLPA records, the Giants recently exercised a common practice used by many teams to create more salary-cap room for the upcoming season. Late last month, the team took most of the room on its cap for this season and converted it into a $7.2-million "likely to be earned bonus" for Johnson. At least, that's what its called; the bonus isn't really expected to be earned. And when it's not earned, it becomes a credit on the following season's salary cap. In this case, Johnson's bonus was for special-teams participation. It's unclear how much Johnson had to participate to earn the bonus, though someone informed of the recently added clause in his contract said he did not reach it. The person requested anonymity because the terms of the deal were not to be discussed publicly. The Giants now get to add $7.2 million to their salary cap next season. The '09 cap is scheduled to be at least $123 million, which means the Giants' cap will be at least $130.2 million. The added money could be used to re-sign their impending free agents (Jacobs, Ward, Toomer and Butler are at the top of that list) or to give Manning a new contract. Manning is signed through next season and his contract is expected to be extended at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Wow, not that I'm complaining, but how many fucking loopholes are there in salary caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnThePhilFans Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Wow, not that I'm complaining, but how many fucking loopholes are there in salary caps. Ask the Cowboys.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Ask the Cowboys.... And Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 And the Raiders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashTalker92 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 i feel as if Johnson just got OWN!!! hate to be him....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesta Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 i feel as if Johnson just got OWN!!! hate to be him....... nah I'm sure he knew what it was all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 It's just protecting the money that would have been in Plax's now-void contract, right? I don't see Butler, or sadly, Toomer getting extensions. At least not big ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 We have to keep Jacobs and/or Ward. Toomer probably doesn't have too many good years left, even though I love the guy. If we have to let someone go, he might be the odd man out. Butler is OK but not great. He can stay if the price is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeMeSomeFoodHo Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I agree. I dont think butler has been that bad. he's not great, but he doesnt suck either. He's a solid nfl player, not a stud, but he's a decent player. Id like him back...at the right price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I'd really hate to lose either Ward or Jacobs... we should keep both, considering Jacobs can't seem to complete a full season. That fact might also mean Jacobs won't get as big of a contract as he thinks he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gateb Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I agree. I dont think butler has been that bad. he's not great, but he doesnt suck either. He's a solid nfl player, not a stud, but he's a decent player. Id like him back...at the right price. If Kenny Phillips reaches his potential then Butler becomes that much more valuable. Like Polamalu's Ryan Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Eagles most notably have been doing it this way for years and more notoriously, the Redskins. Ward and Butler are both replaceable. Maybe give that $7.2 million to Toomer for one more year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 let ward go, he's a solid player but he clealry benefits from playing behind jacobs. after eli jacobs is the mvp of this offense. we are a completely different team w/o him. he's a special player and not even close to replacable, plus he's the antonio pierce of this offense as far as intangibles and leadership go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeMeSomeFoodHo Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 let ward go, he's a solid player but he clealry benefits from playing behind jacobs. after eli jacobs is the mvp of this offense. we are a completely different team w/o him. he's a special player and not even close to replacable, plus he's the antonio pierce of this offense as far as intangibles and leadership go. agreed. I like Ward too, but I feel like Bradshaw and even Danny Ware could take his place and we'd never miss him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgutmartyr Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 What happens to Toomer kind of depends on what happens to Plax, I would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 What happens to Toomer kind of depends on what happens to Plax, I would think. I thought it was a slam-dunk 3 year minimum sentence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 if we win another superbowl this year id bet toomer retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgutmartyr Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I thought it was a slam-dunk 3 year minimum sentence? So do I, but it still has to go through the black box of the legal system. And it depends on how the Giants replace him if he does go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeMeSomeFoodHo Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 if we win another superbowl this year id bet toomer retires. wouldnt that make things interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 let ward go, he's a solid player but he clealry benefits from playing behind jacobs. after eli jacobs is the mvp of this offense. we are a completely different team w/o him. he's a special player and not even close to replacable, plus he's the antonio pierce of this offense as far as intangibles and leadership go. I agree with the part about Jacobs being the second ID of this offense, but Jacobs's problem is he can only play about 12-13 games per season (regular season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 if we win another superbowl this year id bet toomer retires. Personally, Pdubs, I disagree. I think Toomer is one of those guys who will play until they tell him he can't anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echochamber Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 As much as I like Amani, I don't want him back... unless it's as a #3 WR, which he won't do. His stats and age simply do not add up to bringing him back. It's been fun Amani, but see ya. I would also rather see Ward move on and let Bradshaw get his carries with ware as the #3. As long as Butler doesn't break the bank, I wouldn't mind re-signing him. Otherwise, use that $$ to sign Eli long term and get Jacobs a fair deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echochamber Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Personally, Pdubs, I disagree. I think Toomer is one of those guys who will play until they tell him he can't anymore. True. Amani has already stated he's definitely playing next year. Stink to see him in another uniform, but thems the breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 As much as I like Amani, I don't want him back... unless it's as a #3 WR, which he won't do. His stats and age simply do not add up to bringing him back. It's been fun Amani, but see ya. I would also rather see Ward move on and let Bradshaw get his carries with ware as the #3. As long as Butler doesn't break the bank, I wouldn't mind re-signing him. Otherwise, use that $$ to sign Eli long term and get Jacobs a fair deal. I agree with this almost exactly, except I want Amani for at least 1 more year. The guys leadership, experience and clutch catches are irreplacable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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