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I think what helps getting these done quick is aren't these rookie contract levels/years per-determined by the labor agreement they reached with the Union several years ago?

I can't wait to see what Herman Moore 2.0 can do for us.

Kurt Warner 2.0!

If he gets off to a hot start, 100% look to trade him (I think the NFL trade deadline is like week 6).

That was a very odd one. Shurmer should have been given more time. In 2019, his 2nd year, they just drafted a QB, signaling they want to move on from Eli. You'd think with a rookie QB that they think is their future, they wouldn't hold a bad season against Shurmer given he's in his rookie freaking year, not to mention your OL is still abysmal, not to mention the defense is ranked near dead last.

I think a lot of it was George Young. He never adapted to the new era of free agency in the 90's, and was stuck on hanging onto/developing his guys. He probably had Phil Simms in the back of his mind, who only became a franchise QB after year 5. Probably thought Brown just needed more time and could be the next Simms. Notice once Ernie Arcosi takes over in 1998, the team makes a Super Bowl a few years later, plus lays the foundation for the 2007 Super Bowl team.

Then after that abysmal 1996 Dave Brown season, they gave him a 3 year $14M contract 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Oh god, I remember it well. In 1994, it was: Well, he came back and won the last 7 games of the year to have a winning season, so maybe we have something if he just cuts down on turnovers In 1995: Well, he cut down on the turnovers at least, even though we went 5-11 In 1996: Well, his INT rate is out of control, but he really doesn't have good talent around him and we're turning over a roster. Jim Fassell's a QB coach, he'll turn him around, and we just got Ike Hilliard!

Yep. And building on that... Daniel Jones owes his entire career to 4-5 games, including the Vikings game and his debut game against the Bucs. If not for like a handful of games, we'd have moved on from DJ already.

The excuse for Jones this year will be something to the effect of he doesn't have a running game, and/or the WR's don't yet have enough time together, and/or the OL isn't good enough.

I'm not assuming injuries. Just saying we'll have a mediocre non playoff year, he'll play as a bottom 15 QB, and this ownership will continue to hem and haw on him.

If I had to bet, he has an okayish year by his standards, team goes 8-9 or something...and they (ownership) still insist on sticking with him in 2025 rather than move on.

That also just means he's not a reliable franchise QB.

2024 is likely yet another transitory year because of the uncertainty at the QB position. Schoen and Co took a shot with Jones, only to realize we've all been conned, and he's his same injury and mistake prone self, but culminating in an offseason where they did nothing to address the position. Maybe Drew Lock will compete well in camp and become something, but I doubt it. Lots of people claim Mara is behind the decision to retain and stick with Jones, and Schoen and Daboll have wanted to move on, which if true, probably lends itself to Schoen and Daboll being untouchable even if we have a bad season next season (unless something extraordinary happens). In other words, ownership will likely keep Schoen and Daboll around and give them a chance to draft and develop a new QB, and/or maybe give them a run with Lock if he shows something. It's actually an interesting position the giants are in because I feel they have decent talent on the team to compete...except for at the QB position. If DJ wasn't injury prone, maybe he could be toned down to be a game manager, but he's too injury and mistake prone.

Oh boy. When your team is has Drew Lock in the mix for starting QB, your team is in trouble.

Isn't Runyan Jr. penciled in at LG? Edit: Nevermind, I see him on the depth chart at RG. For LG, I supposed we'll see Elumenor, and if he needs to move to RT, then one of Stinnue, Ezeudu, and McKethan

What worries you guys about this roster post draft? Obviously QB is going to be interesting to say the least, but for me it's a) Secondary still seems thin, even with adding a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and b) Much lesser extent but still on my mind is DT. OL is another one people might say, though we added 4-5 bodies in the offseason, on top of Thomas, Neal, JMS, plus McKethan and Ezeudu in the mix.

Tyrone Tracy Jr. should definitely be getting the ball this year too.

Yes if 2/6 of these draft picks end up as starters, that's an average draft. 3 starters and you have a very successful draft. Bonus points if another 2 are solid backups and special team contributors.

Darius Muasau could be good depth piece behind Okereke and McFadden considering there's really not much other than them at LB (and our Edge rushers, plus Simmons as a Nickel LB hybrid player). I always worry WTF is going to happen if Okereke and McFadden go down with injury. Not sure Beavers is the answer, or at the very least he has competition now.

Tyrone Tracy Jr, RB, Purdue. Not another big 10 RB Giants draft pick lol! Just kidding. The kid looks good. Seems like a RB/WR gadget player who could be a 3rd down RB for now and maybe develop into a full time starter eventually.

5th round coming up. Would love another Edge for more depth and obvious passing downs. Javon Solomon??? C'mon he's a beast! DT or RB would be good too

I'm also not aligned with the people saying you need a QB before drafting a franchise WR. That's bullshit. You see a good player you take a good player. Harrison was around before Manning, Irvin before Aikman, Bruce before Kurt Warner, Fitzgerald before Warner, Hill before Mahomes, Kupp before Stafford. Granted some were 2nd-3rd rounders in Bruce and Kupp by the point being you don't have to pass on WR's just because you don't have your future QB.

That's how I see it too. I love the pick. Even if Waller hangs around, he probably only has one more year in him, and/or this is decent insurance for the injury prone Waller. If Waller doesn't stay this year, well then perhaps we got our TE2 with the ability to develop into a TE1 someday. Theo can probably line up in the slot on passing downs, something Bellinger really can't.

Thanks. I love the Nubin pick...very unsure about the Phillips pick. I trust and hope they see something in him that I don't which defies the stats because the pass coverage numbers (eg passer rating) against him are terrible.