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That's right. It's coming back to me now. I'm sure this was a key factor. I think it's interrelated to ownership really wanting TC....they wanted a disciplinarian who would reign these guys in, and Fassel just wasn't that type.

Technically he was charged last year, but finally entered a plea on the charges today.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2021/06/11/new-york-giants-sam-beal-pleads-guilty-gun-related-charges/7657139002/ NY Giants' Sam Beal pleads guilty to gun-related charges from June 2020 arrest

I think it was more they saw TC free'd up from Jacksonville, and liked TC more.

Yeah, the post 2003 giants season is really not the scenario where NFL teams keep their coaches of 5+ years...i.e. trying to start from scratch with a new QB, 12 loss season, plus having to redo the defense as well (the defense was lousy in 2003 as well). Most of the time, NFL coaches don't survive that scenario. You just move on, even if they're an okay coach.

I thought he got the most out of the players he had on offense, which many times consisted of some mediocre to only okay talent. He was dealt a shitty QB crop... Dave Brown, Danny Kanell, Kent Graham, Kerry Collins, but made the most of it, and even helped turn Kerry Collin's career around and make him a solid starting QB in the league. He also took a fledgling Toomer and Barber and helped make them into viable players (they didn't really turn it on until 99 and 00 respectively). He never cured Tiki's fumble problem but he did demonstrate how he could be an every down 1,000 yard plus back. The 49ers playoff game makes me cringe but overall I look to the Fassell years as positive. Certainly much better than the Dan Reeves era.

Oh no! Sad news.

Only 1 or 2 more wins. (I'm saying 7 and 10 and 8 and 9 respectively in a 17 game season). It's winning season or bust for me. If you're a GM and can't produce a winning team in four years, you're fired.

This season has all the makings of Barkley sitting through week 4, us going 1-3 through week 4, and overall us going like 7-10 or 8-9, but ownership and the GM stupidly calling it a good season because "we played well when we had Saquon."

https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/27/new-york-giants-saquon-barkley-unlikely-full-training-camp-participant/ Report: Giants' Saquon Barkley won't be a full training camp participant

I'm just another pinko commie Marxist who loves China and hates the US!

It's hard to enjoy a team that's lost 10 plus games four years in a row, and a GM who still can't put together a competent OL four years later. I thoroughly enjoy watching people squirm to defend a GM who's 15-33 in three seasons.

Is this another straw man, where you can't criticize the giants GM, or else you hate the giants?

For some reason we always end up as Madden vs Gettleman doing nothing were the only two options this off-season

He's another no-brainer OL signing that we should make, therefore DG will not sign him.