Mr. P Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, CrazedDogs said: have we reached that point that we're so confident in Jones that we want to save him for 'meaningful' games? Because I see a developing player who needs the reps. if we want to play the hindsight game, why were the Giants starters sat out basically the entire preseason? Jones needed more reps then, and certainly not fewer reps now. Is it playing the hindsight game if I thought the same thing when I saw the score and saw he was still in at the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 33 minutes ago, Pdouble said: Is it playing the hindsight game if I thought the same thing when I saw the score and saw he was still in at the end? no, it just means you're way overrating Jones. Or I'm way underrating him. One of those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, CrazedDogs said: no, it just means you're way overrating Jones. Or I'm way underrating him. One of those two. I don’t think I’m rating him at all. He’s an injury prone starting qb in the last few minutes of a blowout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, CrazedDogs said: haha, well hold on now.... wasn't Rex Ryan the coach that got Sanchez obliterated late in a meaningless, lost game? Or presided over the Geno Smith locker room fights? If anybody would know what 'stupid' is when it comes to managing QBs, it probably isn't Rex. The premise of that whole rant is that Jones was concussed the prior week. All evidence indicates that he was never truly concussed. I'm basing that on both teammates comments after the game and the rapidity with which Jones moved through the protocol. There was a whole lot of stupid.... hell, the QB sneak was stupid, but not because their medically cleared, fucking huge-strong-fast QB was sent on a sneak.... it was because they went into a goal line formation to let the D bunch up, then ran the sneak right at their defensive strength. If they spread them out in that spot.... the sneak works and probably even gets four yards. This is exactly the type of thing I mean when I say, "these coaches and GMs outsmart themselves." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 25 minutes ago, Pdouble said: I don’t think I’m rating him at all. He’s an injury prone starting qb in the last few minutes of a blowout. He should be a starting QB? I'm not positive. That's why I was good with him staying in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, Sephiroth said: This is exactly the type of thing I mean when I say, "these coaches and GMs outsmart themselves." Yes. But I do need to give Orlovsky some credit for calling Judge 'Tommy Tough Nuts'. That one is going to stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, CrazedDogs said: He should be a starting QB? I'm not positive. That's why I was good with him staying in the game. Should or shouldn’t, he is. If we want to evaluate him, I’d rather keep him healthy for meaningful snaps where you can actually evaluate him. Not really getting much in garbage time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, CrazedDogs said: Yes. But I do need to give Orlovsky some credit for calling Judge 'Tommy Tough Nuts'. That one is going to stick. id been going with hardo Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 21 minutes ago, Pdouble said: Should or shouldn’t, he is. If we want to evaluate him, I’d rather keep him healthy for meaningful snaps where you can actually evaluate him. Not really getting much in garbage time. I see your point, but I think you're wrong on the value of those 'garbage time' reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, CrazedDogs said: I see your point, but I think you're wrong on the value of those 'garbage time' reps. We disagree then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 53 minutes ago, CrazedDogs said: I see your point, but I think you're wrong on the value of those 'garbage time' reps. I would agree if the Rams didn't pull their starters in the 4th quarter. At that point the Giants are basically playing a pre season scrimmage. And they still had a hard time moving the ball. I mean I could see just trying to build back some confidence and score a couple times but it must of been somewhat demoralizing (something you seen in all their faces) having a hard time even against the bench warmers. Just my 2 cents though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 hours ago, CrazedDogs said: have we reached that point that we're so confident in Jones that we want to save him for 'meaningful' games? Because I see a developing player who needs the reps. if we want to play the hindsight game, why were the Giants starters sat out basically the entire preseason? Jones needed more reps then, and certainly not fewer reps now. Somebody better by this guy a beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sephiroth Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 53 minutes ago, BlueInCanada said: Exactly. I'm leaning more and more towards hiring a GM/HC combo from the Ravens. Their rosters are just always stocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I think the Ravens are a great example of iron sharpening iron. Good roster year after year after year. It's not just that they draft well, it's that they develop players well too. Didn't Judge talk a big game on teaching? Hmmm. 4 hours ago, BlueInCanada said: I would agree if the Rams didn't pull their starters in the 4th quarter. At that point the Giants are basically playing a pre season scrimmage. And they still had a hard time moving the ball. I mean I could see just trying to build back some confidence and score a couple times but it must of been somewhat demoralizing (something you seen in all their faces) having a hard time even against the bench warmers. Just my 2 cents though. So pull Jones to protect his confidence? If there's any chance it would impact his confidence then show him the door at the first opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 hours ago, CrazedDogs said: I think the Ravens are a great example of iron sharpening iron. Good roster year after year after year. It's not just that they draft well, it's that they develop players well too. Didn't Judge talk a big game on teaching? Hmmm. So pull Jones to protect his confidence? If there's any chance it would impact his confidence then show him the door at the first opportunity. No pull Jones because as I said the reps were meaningless, did nothing but show the team they can't even move the ball against backups and to protect him in a blowout loss. There is absolutely zero positives to keeping him in the game once the Rams pulled their starters because it's just a pre season game at that point. If Jones still needs "practice reps" at this point in his career show him the fucking door as you said lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 fire this asshole before anyone else gets hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 13 hours ago, BlueInCanada said: No pull Jones because as I said the reps were meaningless, did nothing but show the team they can't even move the ball against backups and to protect him in a blowout loss. There is absolutely zero positives to keeping him in the game once the Rams pulled their starters because it's just a pre season game at that point. If Jones still needs "practice reps" at this point in his career show him the fucking door as you said lol well.... you show me a team with starters that can't move the ball against another team's back ups, I'll show you a team that needs reps. unfortunately wherever we come down on whether it made sense to keep Jones in the game, it seems we're all boiling this down to the same conclusion - Jones isn't going to be here for the long term. 54 minutes ago, Pdouble said: fire this asshole before anyone else gets hurt. on the bright side, lets give some props to Will Hernandez for being the team's best, most consistent offensive lineman in 2021! Way to go big Will! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I think the decision to start Jones in the first place against the Rams is a suspect decision given our line, injuries, concussion, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaNJ Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 4 hours ago, CrazedDogs said: well.... you show me a team with starters that can't move the ball against another team's back ups, I'll show you a team that needs reps. unfortunately wherever we come down on whether it made sense to keep Jones in the game, it seems we're all boiling this down to the same conclusion - Jones isn't going to be here for the long term. on the bright side, lets give some props to Will Hernandez for being the team's best, most consistent offensive lineman in 2021! Way to go big Will! He has played the most... but in no way is he the best lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaNJ Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 27 minutes ago, gmenroc said: I think the decision to start Jones in the first place against the Rams is a suspect decision given our line, injuries, concussion, etc Once he was cleared through the concussion protocol he should be playing. Especially since it is an independent doctor who has to clear him... I wish that Dr did not clear him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, GorillaNJ said: Once he was cleared through the concussion protocol he should be playing. Especially since it is an independent doctor who has to clear him... I wish that Dr did not clear him I understand the process, but if I was Judge,I would've sat him based on lack of practice time, even though personally, it was to give his brain an extra week to recover. At most, I'd have had him dress, but in backup role to Glennon only to go in game in case of injury to Glennon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 39 minutes ago, GorillaNJ said: He has played the most... but in no way is he the best lineman. for sure, I agree.... I meant that only in the 'the greatest ability is availability' sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 ESPN NFL analysts absolutely crush Giants’ Joe Judge for ‘the stupidest thing ever’ https://www.nj.com/giants/2021/10/espn-nfl-analysts-absolutely-crush-giants-joe-judge-for-the-stupidest-thing-ever.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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