Nas Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Now please go after Bolden..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Now please go after Bolden..... Woah, he said Reese was God, not a Time Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Woah, he said Reese was God, not a Time Lord. I have my wish list and I'm sticking to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashTalker92 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Watch we be drafting Oline again especially with Beatty done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 We're taking a LB in the first. In the first month of the regular season from someone else's garbage heap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted March 11, 2016 Author Share Posted March 11, 2016 Everyone knows that the fifth round is where all the good linebackers are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlb37 Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Reese has been an absolute disaster. He has under performed every other team in the league at the draft which, as I recall, was supposed to be his strength. From ESPN The players the Giants drafted since Jerry Reese became GM in 2007 combined to play a league-low 10,767 offensive and defensive snaps in the NFL this season. Other teams' picks over the same span averaged 16,448 snaps per team, or about 53 percent more snaps than the Giants' selections." just horrible http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/45849/a-stunning-stat-on-how-bad-the-giants-are-at-the-draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Woah, he said Reese was God, not a Time Lord. I'd rather have Randle back than go after Boldin. One's 25 and one's 35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA4M Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Yeah, nothing like watching Randle with all his stats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Randle is actually very productive for a #2 WR and he's not that dissimilar to Boldin, when wants to be. It's the plays Randle doesn't make that drive you crazy. I think they are drafting Treadwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 I'd rather have Randle back than go after Boldin. One's 25 and one's 35 One is 25 who can't catch a cold and has gas in the tank... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Reese has been an absolute disaster. He has under performed every other team in the league at the draft which, as I recall, was supposed to be his strength. From ESPN The players the Giants drafted since Jerry Reese became GM in 2007 combined to play a league-low 10,767 offensive and defensive snaps in the NFL this season. Other teams' picks over the same span averaged 16,448 snaps per team, or about 53 percent more snaps than the Giants' selections." just horrible http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/45849/a-stunning-stat-on-how-bad-the-giants-are-at-the-draft Wouldn't you have to look at the average number of snaps a player has? I mean, a team with more picks over that timeframe is certainly going to have more players to contribute to the snap number...right? And you could further look at it by round...if you compare a first rounder on one team to a 4th rounder on another team...of course the likelihood is that the 1st rounder to have more snaps than the 4th rounder...so you'd have to take into account which teams had picks in which rounds. I'm not arguing that Reese has done a bang up job...but I'm not sure that only looking at snap count is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Wouldn't you have to look at the average number of snaps a player has? I mean, a team with more picks over that timeframe is certainly going to have more players to contribute to the snap number...right? And you could further look at it by round...if you compare a first rounder on one team to a 4th rounder on another team...of course the likelihood is that the 1st rounder to have more snaps than the 4th rounder...so you'd have to take into account which teams had picks in which rounds. I'm not arguing that Reese has done a bang up job...but I'm not sure that only looking at snap count is the way to go. There's also the fact that some teams are in much worse cap situations due to poor management decisions, which forces them to play less talented draftees rather than find a better FA replacement. There's also the potential for GMs who are far too loyal to their own draft picks and keep guys who shouldn't be on the field. I don't think Reese has been great but I think the 'draft success', as it's being measured, is somewhat overblown. Again, I'd point to the lack of player development as a major issue. We've historically held onto project players for far too long without seeing them develop into starting players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Randle is actually very productive for a #2 WR and he's not that dissimilar to Boldin, when wants to be. It's the plays Randle doesn't make that drive you crazy. I think they are drafting Treadwell We are not drafting Treadwell. It's a throw your remote pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 The only measure of a good GM is the simple one. Win A Super Bowl this year? Playoffs this year? Better chance next year? Did you say that last year too and keep missing the goal? Why waste time counting snap counts and individual player value if you say no to three of those four questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 The only measure of a good GM is the simple one. Win A Super Bowl this year? Playoffs this year? Better chance next year? Did you say that last year too and keep missing the goal? Why waste time counting snap counts and individual player value if you say no to three of those four questions. True, but can we give Reese full credit for those 2 SB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balloonknot Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 True, but can we give Reese full credit for those 2 SB? 2007- No!!! That was the Team Ernie built. 20011 - Partial Credit- That team won more with smoke and mirrors and great coaching then superior talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 True, but can we give Reese full credit for those 2 SB? Yeah he gets full credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 2007- No!!! That was the Team Ernie built. 20011 - Partial Credit- That team won more with smoke and mirrors and great coaching then superior talent. Couldn't have won the 2007 super bowl without the 2007 draft class and partial credit is simply nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Couldn't have won the 2007 super bowl without the 2007 draft class and partial credit is simply nuts. Well, I don't want to take anything from Reese. But I truly feel Ernie had more to do with the first SB than Reese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFP Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 2007- No!!! That was the Team Ernie built. 20011 - Partial Credit- That team won more with smoke and mirrors and great coaching then superior talent. Agreed. In my opinion, he deserves more credit for the current state of the team than the team he inherited in 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Well, I don't want to take anything from Reese. But I truly feel Ernie had more to do with the first SB than Reese. Does John Mara and Steve Tisch deserve less credit for the team they inherited from the fathers? Clearly Accorsi had more of an impact than Reese but that doesn't take away from Reese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Does John Mara and Steve Tisch deserve less credit for the team they inherited from the fathers? Clearly Accorsi had more of an impact than Reese but that doesn't take away from Reese. Obviously not... I see you're point. And it's a valid one of course. But the core team was drafted by Ernie. I think we should give him most of the credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Obviously not... I see you're point. And it's a valid one of course. But the core team was drafted by Ernie. I think we should give him most of the credit. Hey Nem, good to see you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxRik Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Hey Nem, good to see you... He's slumming it.....Facebook must be broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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