Allstarjim Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Yeah, I'm changing this - 2011 Prince Amukamara - Looking Good So Far Marvin Austin - Bust Jerrel Jernigan - Waiting Bust James Brewer - Good To soon to evaluate, is playing now on a bad line. Greg Jones - What Happened to This Guy? Miss Tyler Sash - Fair Miss Jacquian Williams - Good Serviceable back up/special teamer Da'Rel Scott - Fair Miss Undrafted: Mark Herzlich - Good Still too soon to evaluate, but it's not looking good. Lost starting job to Connor, has not looked good when pressed into duty. Henry Hynoski - Good Spencer Paysinger - Good 2010 Jason Pierre-Paul - Great Linval Joseph - Great Chad Jones - Unknown Potential Phillip Dillard - Miss Mitch Petrus - Miss - did not ever earn real playing time. Adrian Tracy - Serviceable special teamer before being cut, close to a miss Matt Dodge - Fuck Undrafted: Jake Ballard - Good Victor Cruz - Stud 2009 Hakeem Nicks - Very Good Clint Sintim - Bust William Beatty - Hit - Got a LT of the future, not playing well right now, but not indicative of his career thus far Ramses Barden - Bust Travis Beckum - Bust Andre Brown - Miss - One great game in his career. Still has a chance to turn it around, but very injury prone Rhett Bomar - Bust - Developmental pick you didn't develop or get anything out of, so a wasted pick. DeAndre Wright - Miss Stoney Woodson - Miss 2008 Kenny Phillips - Great Terrell Thomas - Very Good Mario Manningham - Very Good - Has to be, helped bring a Lombardi home Bryan Kehl - Miss Jonathan Goff - Fair - was showing potential before knee injury cost him a chance to really prove himself. Andre' Woodson - Bust - See Bomar.... Woodson is currently the WIDE RECEIVERS coach for Morehead State. Robert Henderson - Miss Comments are also reflective of round drafted. By and large the drafts haven't been too bad but there have been some misses in the second and third rounds. If I had to grade Reese on drafts I'd say he's done Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 You could say the 2011 draft is totally unacceptable. With the Giants' philosophy of building through the draft, to come away with Prince Amukamara as the one good starter among your picks, that is a failure. Still time to turn it around somewhat because of Brewer still has potential. And Paysinger still has a chance as well. But we often assign too much blame on the GM for picking a player that doesn't pan out, when that player is the one who squanders opportunity. Like in the case of Marvin Austin. Austin had all the ability to be a great player. And yes, he got injured and that isn't his fault. But had he done things the "Coughlin" way, I'd be willing to bet he's still on this team. You can't tell me that Shaun Rogers outplayed him in the preseason. Shaun Rogers made this team likely because of deficiencies in Austin's work ethic that Rogers didn't have. Most of the time, we don't hear about it... like with Josh Freeman in Tampa, only now we are hearing he was being a bum, not a leader, at a leadership position, and he's a high profile guy who just lost his starting job so there is public interest. There had to be something with Austin we don't know. On the flipside, you have Spencer Paysinger and Victor Cruz, guys that came in, and refused to do anything but work hard and get better. They came in and fought to be on the field, fought to get the coach to notice them, and worked their tails off. With Paysinger, there's been steady improvement every year, and he is probably the best linebacker we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 A good football team is upredictable: a GREAT football team is predictable, but you still can't stop them. Agreed... and since we don't have a GREAT football team, they need to try to mix things up to try to get to the level of "good". Would you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 But we often assign too much blame on the GM for picking a player that doesn't pan out, when that player is the one who squanders opportunity. Like in the case of Marvin Austin. Austin had all the ability to be a great player. And yes, he got injured and that isn't his fault. But had he done things the "Coughlin" way, I'd be willing to bet he's still on this team. You can't tell me that Shaun Rogers outplayed him in the preseason. Shaun Rogers made this team likely because of deficiencies in Austin's work ethic that Rogers didn't have. Most of the time, we don't hear about it... like with Josh Freeman in Tampa, only now we are hearing he was being a bum, not a leader, at a leadership position, and he's a high profile guy who just lost his starting job so there is public interest. There had to be something with Austin we don't know. I'm going to tell you that Shaun Rogers outplayed Marvin Austin in the preseason. Austin had one big hit against third stringers and a handful of sacks against the same. What's more, Rogers has a career of playmaking... Austin had two good preseason games. He was just flat-out terrible last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 That is complete bs, Seph, no offense. Shaun Rogers didn't do a whole lot in preseason. Every game I watched Marvin Austin, he played very well. When he was playing the games, he was very active and getting tons of penetration. Rogers is just a body at this point. But he's a vet so TC trusted him more. I'm sure TC had his reasons, but to say it was because Rogers outplayed him in preseason? That's a borderline ridiculous statement to make, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 That is complete bs, Seph, no offense. Shaun Rogers didn't do a whole lot in preseason. Every game I watched Marvin Austin, he played very well. When he was playing the games, he was very active and getting tons of penetration. Rogers is just a body at this point. But he's a vet so TC trusted him more. I'm sure TC had his reasons, but to say it was because Rogers outplayed him in preseason? That's a borderline ridiculous statement to make, IMO. Austin played horrible during the pre-season. There's really nothing more to say, he played himself off the team and Rogers played himself onto the team. Austin is now sitting on the bench for the Dolphins and I doubt he will do much more then that the rest of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I think I only saw Austin flash a couple times this preseason. I also saw his ass getting knocked off the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFire Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 This is a good point. It's really a failure on all levels. I think the coaches are culpable, as are the players, but Reese's drafts haven't been all that great either. I think Wolf is being a little generous in his assessments. Well position drafted matters also. If you are drafted in the 6th round and become a starter then that's a good maybe great pick. Also why bust was only used for 1st or second rounders. You can't be bust if drafted in the 4th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 If I'm Jerry Reese, I've won 2 Superbowls in the last 5 years and I'd be a hot fucking free agent if I ever said I was leaving the Giants. There's more to personnel than drafting guys, granted it helps but after the first round of the draft, everything else is a crap shoot. He built teams by bringing in guys to supplement the team, and frankly the Cruz signing alone might be the best piece of business ever. There was fuck all interest in the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I'd trade Nicks to the niners today for a 1 and a 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 That is complete bs, Seph, no offense. Shaun Rogers didn't do a whole lot in preseason. Every game I watched Marvin Austin, he played very well. When he was playing the games, he was very active and getting tons of penetration. Rogers is just a body at this point. But he's a vet so TC trusted him more. I'm sure TC had his reasons, but to say it was because Rogers outplayed him in preseason? That's a borderline ridiculous statement to make, IMO. I didn't exactly study the game film, but I remember Rogers playing well against the first stringers, and Austin being very inconsistent. Against the third-team guys, he'd be in the backfield one play, then pushed five yards off the ball the next. Honestly, I don't understand where the Marvin Austin love comes from; it's not like he didn't have a body of work to look at, and it was poor at best. The guy was a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Marvin Austin flat out sucks. Lucky for him he's got money in the bank. I had high hopes for Marvin too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I didn't exactly study the game film, but I remember Rogers playing well against the first stringers, and Austin being very inconsistent. Against the third-team guys, he'd be in the backfield one play, then pushed five yards off the ball the next. Honestly, I don't understand where the Marvin Austin love comes from; it's not like he didn't have a body of work to look at, and it was poor at best. The guy was a bust. I'm not sure where the Marvin Austin love comes from either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman329 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 We all wanted to believe the bill of goods we were sold. Bigger problem was that Austin also believed his press clippings and thought becoming a superstar would happen automatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxRik Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 "You Are Jerry Reese" I trade away a late round draft pick to the Panthers for Jon Beason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Beason is impressing me with his demeanor, however. He's quite possibly the only Giant outside of Victor Cruz who WANTS to play...I'm liking some of his quotes and the fact that he pulled Rivera aside and asked for more playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 i've always been a big fan of his which is why im happy to give this a shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFP Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I am Jerry Reese. I have a coach, who I did not hire ..... who has won 2 Super Bowls with players from 3 different GMs. I have a 2 time SB MVP QB.....that I did not draft. I am Jerry Reese....I STFU and fix my own mistakes first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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