so-cal dub Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Giants sources have informed the OBR that the Giants contacted Cleveland to ask about Edwards. New York offered its two extra draft choices that it received from New Orleans in the Jeremy Shockey deal, a second and a fifth. The Browns countered by asking for those two picks and receiver Steve Smith. New York said no to parting ways with Smith, but said the Browns could have either Domenik Hixon or Mario Manningham. Cleveland balked and the talks died. At least for now. These types of discussions often have a way of reappearing right around draft weekend. Stay tuned." No link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 oh shit im kinda glad they said no about smith id love a link not that i dont believe you but ya know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 We'd be foolish to trade Smith, I'd throw in a 3rd round pick with the original proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 hmm i wonder why they didnt try to give them moss, unless they knew they wouldnt want moss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 whered you hear this from anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I'd do 2 and 5th plus either Manningham, Moss or Hixon. No fuckin way we're parting with Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 hmm i wonder why they didnt try to give them moss, unless they knew they wouldnt want moss. I think they said Hixon or Moss because Hixon has shown he can atleast play at the #1 spot(even if not the well) and Manningham was at one point considered a first round WR so the potential may be there. If the Browns trade Braylon they would be looking for a WR who could atleast start at their #2 WR position so they could focus one of their newly traded picks at a WR to come in and fill the #1 WR void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 http://cle.scout.com/2/849543.html its a paysite though so you cant read the whole article but theres something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgutmartyr Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Was this before or after the Stallworth incident? Because the Browns would have to be brain dead to trade Edwards with Stallworth's crap hanging over them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lubeck Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Thank god they nixed the Smith part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 You know guys, I would do it, if pressed. I would rather send a Hixon, Manningham, and especially Moss, but you have to ask yourself... what is easier to replace? A true #1 game-changing receiver? Or a possession receiver with good hands? I would negotiate, but if it really came down to giving up Smith or not, I would say thanks for everything, Steve! I can replace him in the draft with maybe a Brian Robiskie in the 2nd round (the 2nd rounder we keep). Even if that plan fails, you are getting Braylon Edwards and you can have Hixon at the 2, and then give Manningham a bigger role, because that guy has shown ability, and don't forget that you can always bring back Tyree and another pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 You know guys, I would do it, if pressed. I would rather send a Hixon, Manningham, and especially Moss, but you have to ask yourself... what is easier to replace? A true #1 game-changing receiver? Or a possession receiver with good hands? I would negotiate, but if it really came down to giving up Smith or not, I would say thanks for everything, Steve! I can replace him in the draft with maybe a Brian Robiskie in the 2nd round (the 2nd rounder we keep). Even if that plan fails, you are getting Braylon Edwards and you can have Hixon at the 2, and then give Manningham a bigger role, because that guy has shown ability, and don't forget that you can always bring back Tyree and another pick. You know what, Jim? I was thinking the samething. But, its kinda hard to replace Steve Smith expirience. This guy produced in big games in college and the pros... That's one of the thing Reese harped on when he drafted Steve Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 You know what, Jim? I was thinking the samething. But, its kinda hard to replace Steve Smith expirience. This guy produced in big games in college and the pros... That's one of the thing Reese harped on when he drafted Steve Smith. I agree with you there. But if you want experience than do the trade and sign a Marty Booker, maybe even a Marvin Harrison. Darrell Jackson is out there, as is Justin McCareins. There are a lot of quality receivers on the free agent market right now that would do well in a possession receiver role, but there are no Braylon Edwards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxi-xxv Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Eli from day one craved that possesion type 3rd down intermediate WR and finnally got one in Steve Smith. A dependable 3rd down target, good hands and good route runner. I would hate to give him up. I think if we throw in our 2 2's and the Saints 5 we could get it done. With so many picks and so much depth on the roster its not like there are a ton of spots out there on this team. Bottom line is if you are drafted after round 4 on this team you really are gonna have to impress to win a roster spot, so IMO the better option would be to give up more picks as opposed to players as we have so many, plus the compensatory ones coming this week. I like Edwards a lot, but I am in no way extending his contract before he shows something here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxi-xxv Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I agree with you there. But if you want experience than do the trade and sign a Marty Booker, maybe even a Marvin Harrison. Darrell Jackson is out there, as is Justin McCareins. There are a lot of quality receivers on the free agent market right now that would do well in a possession receiver role, but there are no Braylon Edwards! To be considered a possesion WR you have to have good hands and Justin McCareins DOES NOT have good hands. Ask Chad Pennington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lughead Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Edwards I say the saints pick to the browns for Edwards plus a gallon of stick-em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesta Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 No way you give up Smith in this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 If there's anything to this, anything, thenyou give up the draft picks and Hixon only.You do not trade Steve Smith and how can you give up on Mario Manningham after one injury riddled season. Maybe it's just me but i truly believe Manningham is the real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mws44 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Here is the rumor from the bleacher report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Here is the rumor from the bleacher report. I totally agree. With all the picks we have and very few needs, how could we not do something like this. Like he said, the Gianst want to win NOW, not wait for a pick to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxRik Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Edwards I say the saints pick to the browns for Edwards plus a gallon of stick-em Ok, I'm about to show my ignorance once again. His stats show 55 rec - 873 yds - 15.9 avg - 3 td's for the 2008 season. You say 'a gallon of stickum' should be added to the deal. My question is, how many attempted catches did he have? I mean, if he was thrown to 55 times and caught 55, that's pretty amazing, so why would he need stickum? If he was thrown at 200 times and caught 55, I could see your reasoning. I didn't see anything in that link that shows how many times he was thrown to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 id hate to do it but braylon has showed that he can be a game changing recievier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 just how long would it take.. for anyone to post one of these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Now sit back and think.. our Starting WRs are: Plax, Braylon, and Smith :gunsmilie: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Ok, I'm about to show my ignorance once again. His stats show 55 rec - 873 yds - 15.9 avg - 3 td's for the 2008 season. You say 'a gallon of stickum' should be added to the deal. My question is, how many attempted catches did he have? I mean, if he was thrown to 55 times and caught 55, that's pretty amazing, so why would he need stickum? If he was thrown at 200 times and caught 55, I could see your reasoning. I didn't see anything in that link that shows how many times he was thrown to. Rik, he led the NFL in drops in 2008. He just never got on track from week 1. But, neither did Derek Anderson. I would have to say that if you consider that he has 25 receiving touchdowns in the last 3 years, and with the monster 2007 he had (albeit a mediocre '08) and the fact that he averages consistently around 16 yards/rec, the guy is a big time player that is just what the Giants need. I would not hesitate, they need to get this deal done and I'm sure it won't happen before draft day when the pressure is really on. Steve Smith, while very good, is a replaceable commodity. Plaxico is much more difficult. We may even have Smith's replacement on the roster already in Manningham and just don't know it yet. I love Steve Smith, don't get me wrong... and if we can keep him, I'm all for keeping him and giving the Browns other pieces. But for the love, we are ready to win now, and if you have a chance to get Braylon Edwards, you pull the trigger even if it means giving Smith. I would do it and try to grab Nicks and/or sign a veteran like Harrison, maybe even Torry Holt if he is healthy to take Smith's place. You can't tell me that this: Edwards Any number of #2 Wide receivers on the open market (Booker, Harrison, Holt, Darrell Jackson, Drew Bennett, etc) Hixon Manningham Moss Tyree or Nicks/Britt/another rookie WR? Isn't more dangerous than: Britt/Nicks/DHB Smith Hixon Manningham Moss Tyree? Give me that first group. We all saw what happens when we don't have the big playmaker at WR this past season. Eli's numbers were way down and our offense was sluggish. Braylon means we are an immediate SuperBowl contender. I've said it once and I'll say it again... I love Steve, but I can get me another Steve Smith, not so with guys like Plaxico or Braylon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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