Sephiroth Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 "Better than what we've had for a while, but still fucks up as much as he makes plays?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgutmartyr Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I'm not a Shockey fan, but you have to admit that he's easily a top-10 TE in the league. I think it's more like: "An Olympic athlete with a Special Olympic brain." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Shockey used to be a top 3 TE...now he is more of a top 5 or top 10 TE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Shockey used to be a top 3 TE...now he is more of a top 5 or top 10 TE He, w/o a doubt, posseses the abilties to be top 3 if not the best. The way we utilize him does not allow for him to become that TE. But even with that said, he is definatley top 5. For me, since Shock has been in the league, it goes like this: 1.Gonzalez 2.Gates 3.Heap 4.Shockey 5.Witten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 He, w/o a doubt, posseses the abilties to be top 3 if not the best. The way we utilize him does not allow for him to become that TE. But even with that said, he is definatley top 5. For me, since Shock has been in the league, it goes like this: 1.Gonzalez 2.Gates 3.Heap 4.Shockey 5.Witten ya the thing though that Shockey has improved most is his blocking... he came into the league as a below average blocking TE...but now he is a very good blocking TE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lubeck Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 ya the thing though that Shockey has improved most is his blocking... he came into the league as a below average blocking TE...but now he is a very good blocking TE I wish he had never gotten better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I wish our OCs knew that TEs can do more than 3 yard curls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I wish he had never gotten better. lol...I was thinking the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I wish our OCs knew that TEs can do more than 3 yard curls. Again, the balls that Shockey dropped last week weren't even close to 3 yard curls, do you even watch the games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 He, w/o a doubt, posseses the abilties to be top 3 if not the best. The way we utilize him does not allow for him to become that TE. But even with that said, he is definatley top 5. For me, since Shock has been in the league, it goes like this: 1.Gonzalez 2.Gates 3.Heap 4.Shockey 5.Witten Gates is better than Gonzalez. I don't think Heap is better than Shockey, he just gets thrown the ball to more than Shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 By the way, I think Davis in San Fran will be a top 3 TE in a year or 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikmak Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I think Chris Cooley has become a better tight end than Shockey and he doesn't commit stupid penalties. Compare their stats the last two years and compare their negative impact as well. Cooley > Shockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lughead Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 I think Chris Cooley has become a better tight end than Shockey and he doesn't commit stupid penalties. Compare their stats the last two years and compare their negative impact as well. Cooley > Shockey Damn I hate Homers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesta Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 None of those bitches could hold Bavaro's jockstrap. Numbers be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Again, the balls that Shockey dropped last week weren't even close to 3 yard curls, do you even watch the games? My bad...5 yard curls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikmak Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Damn I hate Homers Great argument. Please explain how Shockey is so much better. Don't leave out his injuries and stupid penalties and rants to the media. Compare their stats and assess their overall value to the respective teams. We'll get to see both of them in action tomorrow. Even after Shockey comitted that stupid spiking the ball penalty just last week I know you won't be surprised if he commits some equally stupid penalty this week. Or starts complaining to the ref during a play or something. On the flip side I will be truly surprised if Cooley makes a stupid decision that hurts the team. Shockey is certainly a good player but he carries a lot of negative baggage. If Coughlin had the choice straight up between Shockey and Cooley who do you think he'd rather have? I'm not so sure he'd choose Shockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman_NYG Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 I think Chris Cooley has become a better tight end than Shockey and he doesn't commit stupid penalties. Compare their stats the last two years and compare their negative impact as well. Cooley > Shockey I have seen retarded comments and sheer foolish homerism, but sheeesh! this takes the cake. The Giants fans themselves are on here discussing the top 5 TEs and Shockey's weaknesses or lack of control over emotions etc etc, and you come on here with Cooley?? Jesus Christ man, I can understand being a Redskins fan itself is a pain, but this is homing like nobody's business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 None of those bitches could hold Bavaro's jockstrap. Numbers be damned. POST OF THE YEAR!!!!! Thank you, for putting it all in perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Gates is better than Gonzalez. I don't think Heap is better than Shockey, he just gets thrown the ball to more than Shock. No way. Maybe now, in the later years of Tonys career, but not overall. Thats why I stated since Shock came in the league. For the last 6 years, I list it that way for a couple of reasons. If you take the # of passes thrown to the TE's, Gonzlaez' Ratio is better, because he drops FAR less. Gates may have a ton of TD's, but he drops a ton of passes. And he still has a lot of yds and TD's because he gets thrown to more than your average TE. They have no one else to throw to beside Ladanian.(Not LT ) And as for Heap, I agree, I think Shock is more talented, but until he gets used properly like Heap, I cant put him above Heap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Great argument. Please explain how Shockey is so much better. Don't leave out his injuries and stupid penalties and rants to the media. Compare their stats and assess their overall value to the respective teams. We'll get to see both of them in action tomorrow. Even after Shockey comitted that stupid spiking the ball penalty just last week I know you won't be surprised if he commits some equally stupid penalty this week. Or starts complaining to the ref during a play or something. On the flip side I will be truly surprised if Cooley makes a stupid decision that hurts the team. Shockey is certainly a good player but he carries a lot of negative baggage. If Coughlin had the choice straight up between Shockey and Cooley who do you think he'd rather have? I'm not so sure he'd choose Shockey. Receiving REC YDS TD LG J. Shockey 5 79 0 27 C. Cooley 3 19 1 8 I'm sorry....what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Patriot Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Receiving REC YDS TD LG J. Shockey 5 79 0 27 C. Cooley 3 19 1 8 I'm sorry....what? Mic, you may not be sure but you are a musician, not a football coach, so that means your opinion is worthless. Cooley is is not cool, just a shitty player when faced with a good defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Shockey is a very good football player and TE....but of late ...like the last two years - the guy can't stay on his feet when he makes a catch. Is it me or does the guy layout when he doesn't have to? I remember when he played with Collins the guy had YAC up the ass...thought he was the next Dave Casper....now...catch...knees...catch...knees. Is it an issue that he is so concerned about a drop that he smothers the ball and drops when he gets a toss. Notice most of his drops are when he is looking to it up field and not drop. Sort of like when Steve Sax forgot how to throw from second. I hope they fix it cause the guy is a bull when he gets loose in the secondary. C. Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesta Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Shockey is a very good football player and TE....but of late ...like the last two years - the guy can't stay on his feet when he makes a catch. Is it me or does the guy layout when he doesn't have to? I remember when he played with Collins the guy had YAC up the ass...thought he was the next Dave Casper....now...catch...knees...catch...knees. Is it an issue that he is so concerned about a drop that he smothers the ball and drops when he gets a toss. Notice most of his drops are when he is looking to it up field and not drop. Sort of like when Steve Sax forgot how to throw from second. I hope they fix it cause the guy is a bull when he gets loose in the secondary. C. Wagon Yeah I was thinking the same thing yesterday. Now he's either hit as he makes the catch or he's forced to leave his feet to make the catch, but he's rarely seperated from defenders when the ball comes his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Shockey is a very good football player and TE....but of late ...like the last two years - the guy can't stay on his feet when he makes a catch. Is it me or does the guy layout when he doesn't have to? I remember when he played with Collins the guy had YAC up the ass...thought he was the next Dave Casper....now...catch...knees...catch...knees. Is it an issue that he is so concerned about a drop that he smothers the ball and drops when he gets a toss. Notice most of his drops are when he is looking to it up field and not drop. Sort of like when Steve Sax forgot how to throw from second. I hope they fix it cause the guy is a bull when he gets loose in the secondary. C. Wagon I was thinking the same thing last night Chuck, but he commands far more attention and safety help than he did his first year. It's rare that he has big opportunities for YACs these days. I'm happy to see him focus on ball control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feefifoefum Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Shockey is a very good football player and TE....but of late ...like the last two years - the guy can't stay on his feet when he makes a catch. Is it me or does the guy layout when he doesn't have to? I remember when he played with Collins the guy had YAC up the ass...thought he was the next Dave Casper....now...catch...knees...catch...knees. Is it an issue that he is so concerned about a drop that he smothers the ball and drops when he gets a toss. Notice most of his drops are when he is looking to it up field and not drop. Sort of like when Steve Sax forgot how to throw from second. I hope they fix it cause the guy is a bull when he gets loose in the secondary. C. Wagon I think you are on to something here. Remember his first catch yesterday, for 20 something yards? He caught the ball over his shoulder, and went to the ground before being touched. That should have been a huge play for the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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