Nas Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Will this save us cap space for this year? Moving Cruz from his tender to a long-term deal? Details are not out yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share Posted July 2, 2013 i think the tender cap hit was going to be 2.89 mil this year so i doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK-Giantsfan Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Good news ......... Now I'm in the mood for training camp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman329 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 I'm not worried about Tuck.. nor next year's cap. So many things can happen during the season and just like Cruz we will see some drama and at the end of he day the chips will fall... Besides, Cruz's #s are better than Nicks... I'm not too hung up on who's the X and who's the slot... I wish Cruz didn't push it like he did but hey... I'm not that ticked off at him (not that he cares lol).... We'll see the #s at the end of the year and Nicks will be given a price tag accordingly. Do NOT minimize the importance of Nicks! You saw when he was out last year, our receivers were smothered off the line and the offense slowed dramatically. As good as Cruz is, a major threat on the outside is what makes a slot receiver effective. Remember, Steve Smith had a huge year out of the slot, too. This says to me that Cruz is more easily replaced than Nicks......but no doubt, they make each other more effective - and Nicks is younger than Cruz! I know it's a lot of cap $$ to tie up on a few players, as mentioned above but Nicks, Cruz and Eli are a devastating combination. Besides, the other major pieces of the O - David Wilson and Rueben Randle, along with some young offensive linemen, will be working cheap for at least a few more years. I think the Giants will make a bigger effort than you might think to get both Nicks and Cruz wrapped up for something like 3 or 4 years, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Do NOT minimize the importance of Nicks! You saw when he was out last year, our receivers were smothered off the line and the offense slowed dramatically. As good as Cruz is, a major threat on the outside is what makes a slot receiver effective. Remember, Steve Smith had a huge year out of the slot, too. This says to me that Cruz is more easily replaced than Nicks......but no doubt, they make each other more effective - and Nicks is younger than Cruz! I know it's a lot of cap $$ to tie up on a few players, as mentioned above but Nicks, Cruz and Eli are a devastating combination. Besides, the other major pieces of the O - David Wilson and Rueben Randle, along with some young offensive linemen, will be working cheap for at least a few more years. I think the Giants will make a bigger effort than you might think to get both Nicks and Cruz wrapped up for something like 3 or 4 years, anyway. In no way I was minimizing Nicks' importance but this whole notion of "I'm going to the highest bidder" when he still has one year left on his current contracts strikes me as silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 i think the tender cap hit was going to be 2.89 mil this year so i doubt it I'd imagine if he's set to make 8 million or so a year, he'd jump up, quite a bit, correct? Unless they backload it....I've never been good at my own finances let alone a salary cap hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Do NOT minimize the importance of Nicks! You saw when he was out last year, our receivers were smothered off the line and the offense slowed dramatically. As good as Cruz is, a major threat on the outside is what makes a slot receiver effective. Remember, Steve Smith had a huge year out of the slot, too. This says to me that Cruz is more easily replaced than Nicks......but no doubt, they make each other more effective - and Nicks is younger than Cruz! I know it's a lot of cap $$ to tie up on a few players, as mentioned above but Nicks, Cruz and Eli are a devastating combination. Besides, the other major pieces of the O - David Wilson and Rueben Randle, along with some young offensive linemen, will be working cheap for at least a few more years. I think the Giants will make a bigger effort than you might think to get both Nicks and Cruz wrapped up for something like 3 or 4 years, anyway. While I believe this, too....you see guys like Wes Welker have insane seasons simply because he's good at finding holes in offenses....the Patriots never really had a guy the caliber of Nicks on their team and he was putting up the best numbers of his career. I've never been one to weigh YPC average all that much higher than number of catches....10 yard receptions are just as good in most cases as 16 yard receptions are, in my book...it's all about moving the chains and keeping possession....plus Cruz is absurdly good with the ball in his hands. I think he's undervalued by a lot of Giants fans simply because he can't outjump or be more physical than Nicks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 i think both wr's are pro-bowlers without the other one. nicks put up similar numbers before cruz got there and cruz still had 1000 yards with nicks missing/being a non-factor most of last season. In no way I was minimizing Nicks' importance but this whole notion of "I'm going to the highest bidder" when he still has one year left on his current contracts strikes me as silly. i still don't get where you're getting this impression from. this is the interview he gave, it's a bunch of politically correct non-answers Q: Did you at all reach out to him during your absence or was this morning the first time you had a chance to talk? A: This morning was, actually. But I talked to Jerry Reese. Mr. Reese knew what the situation was. Q: How good does it feel to be back? A: It feels really good to be back around my teammates and being in the locker room for the mini camp. I’m excited about it. Q: Can you clear up whether it was contract related or not? A: I told you all back in the spring I don’t really talk about my contract in the media. No disrespect to anybody. Q: How does it feel to be back working with Eli? A: It’s always a pleasure being out there with Eli and the guys. It’s always good. Q: What did Eli say to you when you saw him today? A: Eli tried to give me a hard time, but that can’t go but too long. He’s excited for me to be back, making sure everything is good with me. I’m ready to take care of business. Q: How are you health-wise? Is the knee good to go? A: The knee is feeling good. I’ve been doing everything up to today. We haven’t talked about what I’m going to do yet so far in this mini camp, but I’m going to talk to Coach Coughlin and then I’ll talk to the trainers and then we’ll take it from there. Q: Do you feel like you’ve missed anything or something that would set you back? A: No. I don’t feel like that. Not at all. Q: Is it something you regret that your absence created a distraction when you weren’t here? A: I never want to be detrimental in any kind of way to this organization because they’ve been nothing but good to me, but the distraction… The guys told me they don’t feel like it was too much of a distraction. I took care of what I need to take care of and I’m here now and that’s all that matters. Q: What can you do about getting Victor Cruz here? A: That’s his situation. I talked to Cruz. He’s doing good. His mind is in the right spot. He understands the business side of it. He understands the game as well, but he still loves this team and he still wants to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 yeah where did nicks say "I'm going to the highest bidder"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 yeah where did nicks say "I'm going to the highest bidder"? It's not anything specific he's said or done, but rather the overall feel of it. He's going into his last year and doesn't come across as concerned about his deal. Of course, that'd give the Giants the upper hand in contract negotiations if he did. He skipped the voluntary work outs and while he didn't admit to it being contract related, one has to figure it was either contract or injury that motivated him to stay away and he claims his injury is not prohibiting him in any way. So while he doesn't come right out with it, there's a bit of it there. I'm not certain he's a 'highest bidder' guy, but I don't see the Giants getting too hefty of a hometown discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 It's not anything specific he's said or done, but rather the overall feel of it. He's going into his last year and doesn't come across as concerned about his deal. Of course, that'd give the Giants the upper hand in contract negotiations if he did. He skipped the voluntary work outs and while he didn't admit to it being contract related, one has to figure it was either contract or injury that motivated him to stay away and he claims his injury is not prohibiting him in any way. So while he doesn't come right out with it, there's a bit of it there. I'm not certain he's a 'highest bidder' guy, but I don't see the Giants getting too hefty of a hometown discount. I had assumed, because of the use of quotation marks, that it was in fact a quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I had assumed, because of the use of quotation marks, that it was in fact a quote. It's not anything specific he's said or done, but rather the overall feel of it. He's going into his last year and doesn't come across as concerned about his deal. Of course, that'd give the Giants the upper hand in contract negotiations if he did. He skipped the voluntary work outs and while he didn't admit to it being contract related, one has to figure it was either contract or injury that motivated him to stay away and he claims his injury is not prohibiting him in any way. So while he doesn't come right out with it, there's a bit of it there. I'm not certain he's a 'highest bidder' guy, but I don't see the Giants getting too hefty of a hometown discount. I can't find the article any more... as I read NJ.com, Daily News, and the NY Post Giants sections regularly. A few days ago the headline said (Paraphrasing) "Nicks not sure he'll be a Giant after next season"... something to that effect... thought it got under my skin, I didn't think much of it as I filed it under "off-season hot air" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 We can always Franchise Tag Nicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 We can always Franchise Tag Nicks. Yea that's why I'll worry about next year.. next year. Hey, if he plays lights out, the Giants should have no problem showing him the money... but if he spends 6 games on the bench.. then the contract will reflect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 If Nicks has an amazing year, he will 100% be back on the Tag at worst. But yea if he gets Hurt and misses time it might get ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 We can always Franchise Tag Nicks. yeah, but I don't like the tag. Stupid rule IMO. Of course, the Giants would be dumb not to use it on Nicks, if they had to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lughead Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Yea that's why I'll worry about next year.. next year. Hey, if he plays lights out, the Giants should have no problem showing him the money... but if he spends 6 games on the bench.. then the contract will reflect that. If Nicks plays lights out we will more than likely have to match this if we franchise him. I would want Nicks to surely give it his all and leave it all out on the field. the top paid 5 Wr's are 1 Andre Johnson $9.5m 2 Brandon Marshall $9.1m 3 Sydney Rice $8.5m 4 Santonio Holmes $7.5m 5 DeSean Jackson $6.75m So if Nicks is tagged we will have to pay him $8.27m for 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinBlue Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 If Nicks plays lights out we will more than likely have to match this if we franchise him. I would want Nicks to surely give it his all and leave it all out on the field. the top paid 5 Wr's are 1 Andre Johnson $9.5m 2 Brandon Marshall $9.1m 3 Sydney Rice $8.5m 4 Santonio Holmes $7.5m 5 DeSean Jackson $6.75m So if Nicks is tagged we will have to pay him $8.27m for 2014 It's surprising that Larry Fitzgerald only makes 5m a year. I would think he'd be near the top of the list. He's certainly more valuable than Santonio Holmes (who doesn't deserve 7.5m) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted July 4, 2013 Author Share Posted July 4, 2013 how old is that list? calvin johnson makes qb money and wallace is making 30 mil his first two years of that big contract he just signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted July 4, 2013 Author Share Posted July 4, 2013 ok i found it, it's on sportrac. that's base salaries though, i think it's total salary cuz the 2013 wr franchise tag was like 10.5 mil and it probably gets higher every year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 If Nicks plays lights out we will more than likely have to match this if we franchise him. I would want Nicks to surely give it his all and leave it all out on the field. the top paid 5 Wr's are 1 Andre Johnson $9.5m 2 Brandon Marshall $9.1m 3 Sydney Rice $8.5m 4 Santonio Holmes $7.5m 5 DeSean Jackson $6.75m So if Nicks is tagged we will have to pay him $8.27m for 2014 I could swear Jackson makes a whole lot more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lughead Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 how old is that list? calvin johnson makes qb money and wallace is making 30 mil his first two years of that big contract he just signed 2013 Sportrac not sure if Wallace's Dead Money counts Johnson's Dead Money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 2013 List (Base Salary): 1 Andre Johnson at Wide receiver $9,500,000 2 Brandon Marshall at Wide Receiver $9,100,000 3 Sidney Rice at Wide Receiver $8,500,000 4 Santonio Holmes at Wide Receiver $7,500,000 5 DeSean Jackson at Wide Receiver $6,750,000 6 Anquan Boldin at Wide Receiver $6,000,000 7 Roddy White at Wide Receiver $5,600,000 8 Pierre Garcon at Wide Receiver $5,600,000 9 Larry Fitzgerald at Wide Receiver $5,000,000 10 Reggie Wayne at Wide Receiver $5,000,000 11 Robert Meachem at Wide Receiver $5,000,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted July 4, 2013 Author Share Posted July 4, 2013 that's base salary only these were the franchise tag numbers for this offseason Quarterback $14,896,000 Offensive Linemen $9,828,000 Wide Receiver $10,537,000 Running Back $8,219,000 Tight End $6,066,000 Defensive End $11,175,000 Defensive Tackle $8,450,000 Linebacker $9,619,000 Cornerback $10,854,000 Safety $6,916,000 Kicker or Punter $2,977,000 the bonus money factors in, and these figures go up every year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxRik Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 If you're franchise tagged, is that money guaranteed? Like if a WR gets 'turf toe' and rides the bench all year, does he get $10,537,000? Because if that's the case, I'd try out for kicker, boot it once, and go into the locker room and pound my foot with a hammer for $3 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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