Mr. P Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 GiantsWFAN @giantswfan 1d rd tender to cruz for $2.9M...2nd rdrs for a.brown and s.brown at $2M each....that would be $7M of the NYG current $8.5M cap room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Oy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 So much for my plan to address OL, TE and LB. I forgot about our RFA (though, are they in some way figured into the cap already? Unlikely, but I've seen stranger things with Capology) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share Posted March 11, 2013 Ralph Vacchiano @RVacchianoNYDN Mara says Giants have made Cruz "a very substantial offer" that "would make him a very wealthy young man." His agent wants to test market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Wow... what's the details on the offer? And the tender of $2.9M seems low no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashTalker92 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 how does a Tender work?? how they determine the price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 how does a Tender work?? how they determine the price? From what I read $2.9M is the highest tender possible... not sure how that works either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 From what I read $2.9M is the highest tender possible... not sure how that works either. Restricted Free Agency is much different than normal unrestricted free agency. The giants for instance have three possibilities: To tender (re-sign to a pre-specified one year contract), re-sign (to a non-tendered contract), or decline to tender or re-sign. Going simplest to hardest: -Decline to tender or resign. They become an unrestricted free agent -Re-sign to a non-tendered contract -Tender a one year RFA contract. For a player in question, the team chooses if it would like to offer a draft round 1-7 tender. Round 1 tenders have the highest value (this year, 2.9 million) down to round 7 with the lowest value. Now, here's an example. The giants tendered Victor Cruz a 1st round, one year 2.9 million dollar contract. Other teams can offer Cruz more lucrative, longer term contracts, HOWEVER with two caveats: 1-The Giants can opt to match any offer other teams put on the table, 2-If the Giants do NOT opt to match other team's offers, the team signing Cruz will have to give us their 1st round draft pick this year. If a team does not have a 1st round pick, I believe such a team cannot make an offer. RFA functions almost like an insurance policy protecting these types of free agents from being signed elsewhere by making it painful for other teams to offer them contracts (literally restricting their ability to do so). The other team not only has to offer the RFA big money, the other team also has to give up a draft pick, and this is often the key deterrent, particularly for teams high in the draft order. E.g. A team like Kansas City - KC can sign Cruz, however IF they do, they have to give up the #1 pick overall. With this type of a tender, Reese has virtually wiped out teams 1-20 from making Cruz an offer (unless a team has no issue with relinquishing a top 20 draft pick for Cruz). Additionally, I believe a team can also offer multiple tenders to an RFA. For example, say the giants wanted to offer a 1st AND a 2nd round tender to Cruz because they think he's valuable. In this case, the contract would be 1 year 4.9 million, and any team trying to sign him away from the giants would have to give up a 1st and 2nd round pick to us. Make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFP Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Restricted Free Agency is much different than normal unrestricted free agency. The giants for instance have three possibilities: To tender (re-sign to a pre-specified one year contract), re-sign (to a non-tendered contract), or decline to tender or re-sign. Going simplest to hardest: -Decline to tender or resign. They become an unrestricted free agent -Re-sign to a non-tendered contract -Tender a one year RFA contract. For a player in question, the team chooses if it would like to offer a draft round 1-7 tender. Round 1 tenders have the highest value (this year, 2.9 million) down to round 7 with the lowest value. Now, here's an example. The giants tendered Victor Cruz a 1st round, one year 2.9 million dollar contract. Other teams can offer Cruz more lucrative, longer term contracts, HOWEVER with two caveats: 1-The Giants can opt to match any offer other teams put on the table, 2-If the Giants do NOT opt to match other team's offers, the team signing Cruz will have to give us their 1st round draft pick this year. If a team does not have a 1st round pick, I believe such a team cannot make an offer. RFA functions almost like an insurance policy protecting these types of free agents from being signed elsewhere by making it painful for other teams to offer them contracts (literally restricting their ability to do so). The other team not only has to offer the RFA big money, the other team also has to give up a draft pick, and this is often the key deterrent, particularly for teams high in the draft order. E.g. A team like Kansas City - KC can sign Cruz, however IF they do, they have to give up the #1 pick overall. With this type of a tender, Reese has virtually wiped out teams 1-20 from making Cruz an offer (unless a team has no issue with relinquishing a top 20 draft pick for Cruz). Additionally, I believe a team can also offer multiple tenders to an RFA. For example, say the giants wanted to offer a 1st AND a 2nd round tender to Cruz because they think he's valuable. In this case, the contract would be 1 year 4.9 million, and any team trying to sign him away from the giants would have to give up a 1st and 2nd round pick to us. Make sense? Awesome explanation, thanks Shake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarence the Blue Puppet Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Ralph Vacchiano @RVacchianoNYDN Mara says Giants have made Cruz "a very substantial offer" that "would make him a very wealthy young man." His agent wants to test market. You think Cruz would say, "Hey, I want to stay a Giant." but agents brainwash these guys. They are almost as bad as politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 You think Cruz would say, "Hey, I want to stay a Giant." but agents brainwash these guys. They are almost as bad as politicians. Isn't it due to the fact that agents get paid off comission, so the more they can get their players the more they make? You think the NFL or atleast the NFLPA would have some regulations on the fact that agents don't really look out for the players, only how much they make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 the NFLPA has the same interest as the agents. they don't want the players taking a cent less than they can get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Ralph Vacchiano @RVacchianoNYDN Mara says Giants have made Cruz "a very substantial offer" that "would make him a very wealthy young man." His agent wants to test market. No, that offer would make him RICH. John Mara is WEALTHY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 A lot of peope are saying the diffrance between the 5-32 players in this year draft is nothing. Some teams might be willing to take a chance on Cruz just because the draft doesn't hold a lot . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share Posted March 11, 2013 New York Giants WR Victor Cruz hired a new agent Monday, Mar. 11. Cruz hired Tom Condon of CAA to represent him. http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=843366-giants-victor-cruz-hires-new-agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 http://www.kffl.com/...hires-new-agent Bye bye Cruz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Bye bye Cruz You think? I think Cruz is pissed that something can't get done and is looking to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 You think? I think Cruz is pissed that something can't get done and is looking to stay. you dont go with Tom Condon to get a home town discount contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share Posted March 11, 2013 Bye bye Cruz Condon represents Eli, Kiwi and I believe Coughlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Condon represents Eli, Kiwi and I believe Coughlin. He also represents Sam Bradford, the Rams are possible destination for Cruz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 This deal makes so much sense, and I love the Stevie brown tie up, Good bye Kenny, Osi is gonna miss you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Restricted Free Agency is much different than normal unrestricted free agency. The giants for instance have three possibilities: To tender (re-sign to a pre-specified one year contract), re-sign (to a non-tendered contract), or decline to tender or re-sign. Going simplest to hardest: -Decline to tender or resign. They become an unrestricted free agent -Re-sign to a non-tendered contract -Tender a one year RFA contract. For a player in question, the team chooses if it would like to offer a draft round 1-7 tender. Round 1 tenders have the highest value (this year, 2.9 million) down to round 7 with the lowest value. Now, here's an example. The giants tendered Victor Cruz a 1st round, one year 2.9 million dollar contract. Other teams can offer Cruz more lucrative, longer term contracts, HOWEVER with two caveats: 1-The Giants can opt to match any offer other teams put on the table, 2-If the Giants do NOT opt to match other team's offers, the team signing Cruz will have to give us their 1st round draft pick this year. If a team does not have a 1st round pick, I believe such a team cannot make an offer. RFA functions almost like an insurance policy protecting these types of free agents from being signed elsewhere by making it painful for other teams to offer them contracts (literally restricting their ability to do so). The other team not only has to offer the RFA big money, the other team also has to give up a draft pick, and this is often the key deterrent, particularly for teams high in the draft order. E.g. A team like Kansas City - KC can sign Cruz, however IF they do, they have to give up the #1 pick overall. With this type of a tender, Reese has virtually wiped out teams 1-20 from making Cruz an offer (unless a team has no issue with relinquishing a top 20 draft pick for Cruz). Additionally, I believe a team can also offer multiple tenders to an RFA. For example, say the giants wanted to offer a 1st AND a 2nd round tender to Cruz because they think he's valuable. In this case, the contract would be 1 year 4.9 million, and any team trying to sign him away from the giants would have to give up a 1st and 2nd round pick to us. Make sense? Damn, who wouldda thought a liberal commie can be so well versed on American football Thanks, Shakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lughead Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Carl Banks @CarlBanksGIII @RVacchianoNYDN are the @Giants giantsletting other teams set the market for @TeamVic cruz then pay him or take the 1st and run?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Carl Banks @CarlBanksGIII @RVacchianoNYDN are the @Giants giants letting other teams set the market for @TeamVic cruz then pay him or take the 1st and run?.. Yes. That's what they're doing and it's the smartest way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I view Victor Cruz similar to how I view Wes Welker...yah, he may do OK somewhere else, but he would have a GREAT career as a Giant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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