BlueInCanada Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Outside of Thomas, have we had a Giants player, free agent or draft pick actually improve their play the last 10 years? Matt Peart is the new Herny, Herny is just Herny. Golladay who was the best WR in free agency doesn't have a TD. Our first round pick who was touted as a playmaker doesn't have a TD. Jones has regressed since his rookie year. None of the pass rushers have worked out. Gates I suppose was picking up his play but he may never play again on that leg. When have the Giants actually taken a player and made them better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 I think Amukamara here was a solid starter and had a solid nfl career. Hankins and Pugh too. Kennard(dude). Shep the problem is just injuries, not lack of development. Tomlinson developed too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Janoris Jenkins played better here than he did with rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted December 27, 2021 Author Share Posted December 27, 2021 29 minutes ago, Pdouble said: I think Amukamara here was a solid starter and had a solid nfl career. Hankins and Pugh too. Kennard(dude). Shep the problem is just injuries, not lack of development. Tomlinson developed too. I feel like Pugh and Hankins got better once they were off the Giants. Kennard as well improved post Giants. Tomlinson I'll give you that but he isn't with the Giants anymore. Shep really didn't develop though he's still the same player he always was put of the draft. I just mean when's the last time a player actually improved when they were with the Giants. Just seems like most other teams can bring in free agents and make them better, or take a draft pick and elevate their play. I guess OBJ when I think about it he improved with the Giants. We seem like a death sentence franchise for any FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 1 minute ago, BlueInCanada said: I feel like Pugh and Hankins got better once they were off the Giants. Kennard as well improved post Giants. Tomlinson I'll give you that but he isn't with the Giants anymore. Shep really didn't develop though he's still the same player he always was put of the draft. I just mean when's the last time a player actually improved when they were with the Giants. Just seems like most other teams can bring in free agents and make them better. We seem like a death sentence franchise for any FA. I feel like the players I mentioned did get better during their time with the giants. Just my memory of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 With that said, Even if I’m completely correct, that’s not nearly enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted December 27, 2021 Author Share Posted December 27, 2021 Just now, Pdouble said: With that said, Even if I’m completely correct, that’s not nearly enough. Yeah your right about Pugh he did improve he was just always hurt. The Cardinals are getting the benefits of it. I guess that's my point. These last 10 years we've failed to acquire and or development talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Eli, Diehl, Tiki....but to your point...it is rare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 1 minute ago, gmenroc said: Eli, Diehl, Tiki....but to your point...it is rare All 15+ years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 We usually let them go before they get good but we hold on to guys like Engram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jranieli Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 I am not even high right now and I can't think of anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Dalvin Tomlinson. Lindval Joseph come to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Landon Collins got better then levelled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Aldrick Rojas went from shitty kicker to pro bowl. We just couldn't round out his social skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Leonard Williams is better now than when we got him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted December 28, 2021 Author Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 minute ago, boohyah said: Leonard Williams is better now than when we got him. He just costs more now. He had his 11 sack year, other than that his stats are on par and his play is on par with the Jets. 4 minutes ago, boohyah said: Aldrick Rojas went from shitty kicker to pro bowl. We just couldn't round out his social skills. I don't know what you mean by "went from" The Giants were the first team he ever kicked for lol 3 minutes ago, boohyah said: Landon Collins got better then levelled out. Collins had one good year and was overrated the rest, he's the safety version of Leonard Williams. I'm glad the Redskins over paid for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Is the question how many years were they good or did they improve from when we got them? Leonard Williams is better with us than he was with the Jets. You're harping on his salary, again the question was did they improve?. Did he have 11 sacks any season as a Jet? Aldrick Rojas went literally from worst kicker in the league to next season Pro bowl. Landon Collins got better from his rookie year. Again you're harping on overated. Perhaps, but that wasn't the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 On 12/27/2021 at 2:09 PM, gmenroc said: Eli, Diehl, Tiki....but to your point...it is rare Ultimately it’s a team sport… hard to shine when most of your teammates suck. The reason players tend to do better somewhere else is exactly that…. Tom Brady would have sucked on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted January 2, 2022 Author Share Posted January 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Nas said: Ultimately it’s a team sport… hard to shine when most of your teammates suck. The reason players tend to do better somewhere else is exactly that…. Tom Brady would have sucked on this team. See I would agree but even bad teams have developed talent. Look at Washington. Scary Terry he's a third round pick who's a top WR threat in the NFL now. They turned Gibson from a WR out of college into a starting RB in the NFL. Not to mention what they did with Flowers. Ryan Kerrigan was one of the best pass rushers in the NFL with Washington. Montez Sweat has become a top pass rusher as well the last two years. These were all players in the last 5+ years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, BlueInCanada said: See I would agree but even bad teams have developed talent. Look at Washington. Scary Terry he's a third round pick who's a top WR threat in the NFL now. They turned Gibson from a WR out of college into a starting RB in the NFL. Not to mention what they did with Flowers. Ryan Kerrigan was one of the best pass rushers in the NFL with Washington. Montez Sweat has become a top pass rusher as well the last two years. These were all players in the last 5+ years. Good observations. Although Scary Terry was Scary Terry in college too, not sure how he fell that far. A lot of subtlety to his game that translates so well to the league. not sure there's a single developmental player we can point to that the Giants coached up in the post Coughlin era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 23 hours ago, BlueInCanada said: See I would agree but even bad teams have developed talent. Look at Washington. Scary Terry he's a third round pick who's a top WR threat in the NFL now. They turned Gibson from a WR out of college into a starting RB in the NFL. Not to mention what they did with Flowers. Ryan Kerrigan was one of the best pass rushers in the NFL with Washington. Montez Sweat has become a top pass rusher as well the last two years. These were all players in the last 5+ years. There's no question our coaches have been awful post Coughlin... even Coughlin's went to shit after the last SB... granted he had atrociously bad GM (drafts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Lorenzo Carter, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I'd just like to just add that I'm fully confident that Evan Engram, Barkley, and maybe even Daniel Jones will go on to have great post-Giants careers once they leave the Giants (but they'll be mediocre as long as they're here). Maybe even Will Hernandez will figure it out as well, but that's a bit of a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, mastershake said: I'd just like to just add that I'm fully confident that Evan Engram, Barkley, and maybe even Daniel Jones will go on to have great post-Giants careers once they leave the Giants (but they'll be mediocre as long as they're here). Maybe even Will Hernandez will figure it out as well, but that's a bit of a stretch. I could see Barkley turning it around, but Engram isn't going to give you much more than his rookie season production, IMO. I could see Hernandez pulling a Scott Gragg and going somewhere else to have a good career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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