Nas Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 At this point wins are hurting us. I'd still like to beat the Eagles if it would put them in a bad spot, but that would also bump us up too. And put the Cowboys in a better place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 the draft is such a crap shoot, I couldn't care less about draft position. And generally I believe that playing well to close the season does more to elevate the team the following season than any draft pick could hope to offer. ...As long as its next season's players that are having success and gaining confidence, and not the players of yesteryear enjoying their career's death rattle. The Washington Redskins would be to differ... I'm sure they would have rather been the Colts... Yes draft can be a crap shoot but your chances improve if you're picking 5th instead of 10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA4M Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 And put the Cowboys in a better place... I don't see them going far anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Back to Mariota, the point was that mobile QBs haven't fared well. I would say more precisely QBs from college spread offensive systems have not fared well. RGIII, Graham Harrell, Blaine Gabbert, Newton... Plenty of examples. For me, I want a big right tackle, and yes, I'm looking to move Pugh inside to OG. I could also look at DE, LB, TE, or S. A lot of people have talked about WR, and while Amare Cooper and Beckham is like a wet dream, I don't think adding a high round receiver is prudent. And the forgotten man is Corey Washington. To me he's a high end starter. Needs a little more polishing, but I think we are going to see great things from him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Back to Mariota, the point was that mobile QBs haven't fared well. I would say more precisely QBs from college spread offensive systems have not fared well. RGIII, Graham Harrell, Blaine Gabbert, Newton... Plenty of examples. For me, I want a big right tackle, and yes, I'm looking to move Pugh inside to OG. I could also look at DE, LB, TE, or S. A lot of people have talked about WR, and while Amare Cooper and Beckham is like a wet dream, I don't think adding a high round receiver is prudent. And the forgotten man is Corey Washington. To me he's a high end starter. Needs a little more polishing, but I think we are going to see great things from him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Back to Mariota, the point was that mobile QBs haven't fared well. I would say more precisely QBs from college spread offensive systems have not fared well. RGIII, Graham Harrell, Blaine Gabbert, Newton... Plenty of examples. For me, I want a big right tackle, and yes, I'm looking to move Pugh inside to OG. I could also look at DE, LB, TE, or S. A lot of people have talked about WR, and while Amare Cooper and Beckham is like a wet dream, I don't think adding a high round receiver is prudent. And the forgotten man is Corey Washington. To me he's a high end starter. Needs a little more polishing, but I think we are going to see great things from him.. He doesn't seem to have much speed, but he's tall and plays the ball well... may be exactly the kind of player the team needs that Randle wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Back to Mariota, the point was that mobile QBs haven't fared well. I would say more precisely QBs from college spread offensive systems have not fared well. RGIII, Graham Harrell, Blaine Gabbert, Newton... Plenty of examples. For me, I want a big right tackle, and yes, I'm looking to move Pugh inside to OG. I could also look at DE, LB, TE, or S. A lot of people have talked about WR, and while Amare Cooper and Beckham is like a wet dream, I don't think adding a high round receiver is prudent. And the forgotten man is Corey Washington. To me he's a high end starter. Needs a little more polishing, but I think we are going to see great things from him.. As for Mariota, that's why I asked previously how he did in the pocket, completing throws when he knew he'd take a hit. If a QB can deliver even a semi-accurate pass staring down the gun barrel of a blitzing LB or DE...then he's top 10 draft pick worthy to me. As for offensive line in the first...if we have a shot at the number 1 or number 2 OT, I won't complain a bit...knowing we have the ability to move Pugh inside. I would be cautious though...because the more Pugh plays at RT, I believe there'd be less of a chance of his moving inside. I know the draft people said he was more suited for G than T...and I believe he has that ability to move inside...but I think that the more accustomed he is to T (and perhaps the lure of LT money)...the less likely he'll move inside. All that said, if one of the top two tackles aren't there...than we go DLine in the first and grab the top G in the 2nd round. I think with Cruz and Beckham, we're looking at needing a #3 WR....which we don't need in the first round. I think we'll be able to get a quality WR in the 3rd round. Corey Washington is tall and did well in the preseason against preseason CBs and preseason defenses. Sure, he's had a catch here or there, but he's got a ways to go before I would call him anything close to a high end star in waiting. Right now, he's the 5th WR on this team...Beckham, Cruz, Randle, Parker are ahead of him. I do feel he could take Randle's place in a year or more, but I don't think Randle gives us all that much...so to say Washington is as good....really isn't saying much at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Back to Mariota, the point was that mobile QBs haven't fared well. I would say more precisely QBs from college spread offensive systems have not fared well. RGIII, Graham Harrell, Blaine Gabbert, Newton... Plenty of examples. For me, I want a big right tackle, and yes, I'm looking to move Pugh inside to OG. I could also look at DE, LB, TE, or S. A lot of people have talked about WR, and while Amare Cooper and Beckham is like a wet dream, I don't think adding a high round receiver is prudent. And the forgotten man is Corey Washington. To me he's a high end starter. Needs a little more polishing, but I think we are going to see great things from him.. Agreed... I don't see us going WR again in the 1st... not wise like you said... not when our OL can use a stud that will anchor it for years to come... Shit what good is having great WRs if your QB is on his back in 2 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Agreed... I don't see us going WR again in the 1st... not wise like you said... not when our OL can use a stud that will anchor it for years to come... Shit what good is having great WRs if your QB is on his back in 2 seconds. Beckham is doing alright with the line we have currently, no? I agree that the offensive line needs addressed in the draft, I just don't think that using the WR situation is the best argument to make that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Back to Mariota, the point was that mobile QBs haven't fared well. I would say more precisely QBs from college spread offensive systems have not fared well. RGIII, Graham Harrell, Blaine Gabbert, Newton... Plenty of examples. For me, I want a big right tackle, and yes, I'm looking to move Pugh inside to OG. I could also look at DE, LB, TE, or S. A lot of people have talked about WR, and while Amare Cooper and Beckham is like a wet dream, I don't think adding a high round receiver is prudent. And the forgotten man is Corey Washington. To me he's a high end starter. Needs a little more polishing, but I think we are going to see great things from him.. I don't think there's any inherent problem if a QB is mobile or not. Mobility is an advantage. For instance, Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Rothlisberger, Russell Wilson and even Drew Brees and Andrew Luck are pretty nimble. I think the challenge is more in taking QBs from these college offensive systems which are so far removed from NFL systems: Read option, spread shotgun (with little/no Pro- style Formations), screen heavy, quick throw heavy with pre-snap reads, and little pro style progression and complex route responsibilities for the QB. That's not to say a QB from a college system such as these can't ever be successful in the NFL, just saying that it might be tougher to learn, and some may never get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman329 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I'm all about addressing the OL and LB positions but it depends, as always, on who is on the board when it's our turn. If we're drafting say, 8th, isn't that too high for a Guard? If there's an impact LB available, like Barr was last year, I'm jumping on him......but if not, if there's a WR that will cause Defensive Coordinators to lose sleep, wondering how they'll defend Odell AND another dynamic guy on the outside, along with Cruz in the slot, well, I think somebody on this thread called that a wet dream...and I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I don't think 8 is too high for Scherff, who can start at OG and then eventually slide over to OT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Yea I'm not too hung up on what position needs to be covered in the 1st round... BPA available... but it would be nice if it's one of those players whose career extend past 5 years in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Yes, a G at 8 overall is too high. You'd likely want to take an OT there and move Pugh inside to G if that's the route you wanted to go. Or... If you go with G in the 2nd round like we did last year with Richburg, you leave Pugh where he's at and use your first rounder on the wet dream WR, or DE/DT/LB that this team also needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 speaking of this, espn put up mcshay's first mock draft and he has us taking Vic Beasley DE clemson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 speaking of this, espn put up mcshay's first mock draft and he has us taking Vic Beasley DE clemson Ehh... kind of a one dimension, up-field player. Boom or bust, ala Dwight Freeney vs. Vernon Gholston/Aaron Maybin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 speaking of this, espn put up mcshay's first mock draft and he has us taking Vic Beasley DE clemson some say he's more an OLB... ...which leads me to think that he's too small for a DE, despite his ability to rush the passer, he'd get pushed around in the run game. ...and as a LB, he's a blitzing LB only, and can't cover for shit - leading teams to think of him as a DE. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but I'm not a fan of a tweener in the top 10. Get a guy who can take a position and fill it...not some specialist that is only good doing this or that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Seen that pick and absolutely hate it. They are not taking a hybrid DE/OLB in the first round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Yea I read that article earlier today and it left me shaking my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Brandon Scherff is the most pre ready OL, and versatile. He's worthy of a top 10 pick. Might even be off the board before #7. My 2nd choice is LB Shaq Thompson. OL La'el Collins is a guy I expect to shoot up to the 8-12 pick, so I wouldn't mind him. I was also thinking of, what if SS Landon Collins would be willing to convert to a WLB. He might be a good pick then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I don't think there's any inherent problem if a QB is mobile or not. Mobility is an advantage. For instance, Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Rothlisberger, Russell Wilson and even Drew Brees and Andrew Luck are pretty nimble. I think the challenge is more in taking QBs from these college offensive systems which are so far removed from NFL systems: Read option, spread shotgun (with little/no Pro- style Formations), screen heavy, quick throw heavy with pre-snap reads, and little pro style progression and complex route responsibilities for the QB. That's not to say a QB from a college system such as these can't ever be successful in the NFL, just saying that it might be tougher to learn, and some may never get it. Yes I agree... That was my point, actually. For me it's not about the mobility of the player, it's the offense they are coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Brandon Scherff is the most pre ready OL, and versatile. He's worthy of a top 10 pick. Might even be off the board before #7. My 2nd choice is LB Shaq Thompson. OL La'el Collins is a guy I expect to shoot up to the 8-12 pick, so I wouldn't mind him. I was also thinking of, what if SS Landon Collins would be willing to convert to a WLB. He might be a good pick then. Scherff is my pick. I have no problem with him starting at OG and then sliding over to OT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Lots of holes tyo fill, pretty much any position on the field we could use a 1st round draft pick and justify it. But just for the sake of wet dreams, if we could get Cooper, and move Cruz back in the slot where he belongs, wouldn't hurt my feelings. Take a G in the second or a LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Scherff is my pick. I have no problem with him starting at OG and then sliding over to OT After watching him 3 years at Iowa..I love the guy....but I don't think he necessarily needs to slide over...the guy is a plow on run blocking and is exceptionally athletic for a guy his size.....fast...quick......but he is not a dominating blind side anchor type pass blocker in the tradition of an NFL LT. He had trouble against both Maryland and Nebraska hybred DE/OLBs. Dude could end up being a pro bowl guard...but an average LT. C. Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 After watching him 3 years at Iowa..I love the guy....but I don't think he necessarily needs to slide over...the guy is a plow on run blocking and is exceptionally athletic for a guy his size.....fast...quick......but he is not a dominating blind side anchor type pass blocker in the tradition of an NFL LT. He had trouble against both Maryland and Nebraska hybred DE/OLBs. Dude could end up being a pro bowl guard...but an average LT. C. Wagon He struggled against Monroe from Maryland, didn't get to see Gregory this year(was solid against Gregory year before though.) I think the fact he struggles with speed rushers is a bit misconceived, his intial punch is fantastic, but yes his lateral movement is somewhat slow. I do think he'd be outstanding at OG and even that would fine with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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