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[Sephiroth]

 

 

Brown has been busted for 'roids, he's in the dog house for the year.

 

Scott hasnt proven anything at all and who knows if the coaches even like the kid.

 

Bradshaw is going to be out some games next year.

 

Who else do we have to run the ball? Ware?

 

This kid is a replacement for Bradshaw in the next couple of seasons.

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Those are all good points. I'm definitely warming up to it. Kid looks like he has elite top end speed.

[BlueInCanada]

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Those are all good points. I'm definitely warming up to it. Kid looks like he has elite top end speed.

 

He's biggest complaints are how he holds the ball and his blocking.

 

But as I recall Bradshaw had both those problems.

[gmenroc]

You earn your strips with coughlin by playing on ST.

 

My opinion, for a first rounder, you should be good enough at your position to defeat that argument completely. For a 2nd rounder or later, I'd buy into that.

[JMFP]

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Those are all good points. I'm definitely warming up to it. Kid looks like he has elite top end speed.

 

Not only elite speed, but seems like he's got two gears.....fast and faster. He get's to the line quick, and then hits that second gear and just flies.

[JMFP]

My opinion, for a first rounder, you should be good enough at your position to defeat that argument completely. For a 2nd rounder or later, I'd buy into that.

 

Bradshaw is in no shape to play right now. Wilson is going to get plenty of looks. I see Bradshaw, Wilson, and Scott as the new rotation.

[boohyah]

One thing I will say is that the Cowboys made a real smart move going up for Claiborne. That kid looks like the shit in a division with Nicks Cruz and jackson.

[Allstarjim]

We don't have a RB on the roster like Wilson, not even Bradshaw.

 

Wilson runs with power, reckless abondon. He breaks the tackles, has the quick lateral cuts that you love, and the best burst and explosion through the hole of anyone in this draft with the possible exception of Lamar Miller.

 

I had Martin ahead of Wilson mainly because Martin can pass block better than Wilson. But Wilson will need some coaching up in that area and also to cure a bit of the fumbilitis.

 

Looking at the highlight vid, you see the broken tackles, this guy doesn't go down with arm tackles. You see him with linebackers lining him up and he just speeds past their angles, it's like "whoa, where'd he go", now you see me, NOW I'M GONE!

 

Scott has all the speed that Wilson has but doesn't run with the same power, and doesn't have the same lateral quickness.

 

Bradshaw has the power, is a better pass blocker, but doesn't have the breakaway speed of Wilson.

 

This guy is going to be awesome. He's a difference maker and an answer to LeSean McCoy and DeMarco Murray in the division.

[gmenroc]

Bradshaw is in no shape to play right now. Wilson is going to get plenty of looks. I see Bradshaw, Wilson, and Scott as the new rotation.

 

Oh, there's no doubt that that should be the rotation...Ware should without a doubt be the odd man out.

 

Not sure what you mean by Bradshaw not being in shape to play right now.

[Lughead]

Not only elite speed, but seems like he's got two gears.....fast and faster. He get's to the line quick, and then hits that second gear and just flies.

he Also has moves and is shifty , seems to be able to cut mid stride

[BlueInCanada]

Oh, there's no doubt that that should be the rotation...Ware should without a doubt be the odd man out.

 

Not sure what you mean by Bradshaw not being in shape to play right now.

 

He's taken the "natural" approach to healing his foot/ankle.

 

He's gotten a shot of bone marrow but for how Bradshaw runs and the abuse he takes you can understand why he will probably be out for a number of games this season like last season.

[Allstarjim]

Yeah his cuts are like lightning. And I'm sure TC will put on the tape of him running backwards and say, "This is NOT what you're going to do. If nothing's there, you're going to get what you can and go down."

[Lughead]

Yeah his cuts are like lightning. And I'm sure TC will put on the tape of him running backwards and say, "This is NOT what you're going to do. If nothing's there, you're going to get what you can and go down."

But, But Coach, I can turn a 10 yard loss into a 30 yard gain. LOL

[BronxRik]

You earn your strips with coughlin by playing on ST.

 

Is that the new rookie pay scale? Kids get payed in chicken strips?

[Lughead]

Is that the new rookie pay scale? Kids get payed in chicken strips?

stripes

[Lughead]

My opinion, for a first rounder, you should be good enough at your position to defeat that argument completely. For a 2nd rounder or later, I'd buy into that.

 

Tom Rock

 

• Jerry Reese made it clear that Ahmad Bradshaw is still the Giants' "lead dog" but dir. of college scouting Marc Ross said David Wilson can become that player. "He's done it (in college) ... I think he can do the same up here."
  

[osi724dasack]

I'm

Already in love with this pick!!

 

Reese the beast! In Reese I trust!

[osi724dasack]

He kinda flew under my radar somehow. Wilson > Miller upon further review. But not by much.

 

[TrashTalker92]

Lol I think TrashTalker92 was just on espn

 

Did you see some Asian dude in the crowd and though it was me?? Hahaha. It'll be funny if I been Messing with all you guys and I'm actually white.

[BlueInCanada]

So second round mock up on at NFL.com

 

33. St. Louis Rams: Cordy Glenn, Georgia, G/OT: Jeff Fisher would love to rebuild the Rams' offensive with big, athletic blockers with position flexibility. Glenn certainly fits the bill.

34. Indianapolis Colts: Coby Fleener, Stanford, TE: Colts are excited to pick up Andrew Luck's favorite target at the top of the round.

35. Baltimore Ravens: Jonathan Martin, Stanford, OT: Ozzie Newsome should tab Martin as the eventual successor to Bryant McKinnie at left tackle despite concerns regarding the Stanford tackle's temperament and effort.

36. Denver Broncos: Jerel Worthy, Michigan State, DT: John Fox wants to beef up the Broncos' frontline with more athletic big bodies in the middle.

37. Cleveland Browns: Rueben Randle, LSU, WR: Mike Holmgren continues to remake the Browns' offense by adding a polished pass catcher with outstanding size, speed and ball skills.

38. Jacksonville Jaguars: Andre Branch, Clemson, DE: The Jaguars' pass rush desperately needs an explosive edge rusher like Branch in the rotation.

 

 

39. St. Louis Rams: Stephen Hill, Georgia Tech, WR: Sam Bradford would welcome a big, athletic target like Hill to feature in the passing game.

40. Carolina Panthers: Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina, WR: The Panthers need to surround Cam Newton with a host of dynamic weapons in the passing game. Jeffery's size and athleticism make him a tough guard, particularly in the red zone.

41. Buffalo Bills: Mike Adams, Ohio State, OT: Buddy Nix is not content with the Bills' offensive tackle situation, so taking a flier on the talented Adams is a sensible selection at this point.

42. Miami Dolphins: Bobby Massie, Ole Miss: With Marc Colombo officially retired, the Dolphins could use a physical right tackle to shore up offensive line.

43. Seattle Seahawks: Zach Brown, North Carolina, LB: Pete Carroll wants to improve the speed and athleticism of Seahawks' linebacker corps. Brown's extraordinary explosiveness makes him a perfect fit.

44. Kansas City Chiefs: Mychal Kendricks, Cal, ILB: The Chiefs have knocked their recent drafts out of the park by consistently selecting tough, productive players like Kendricks in early rounds.

45. St. Louis Rams: Lamar Miller, Miami, RB: Steven Jackson is starting to slow down, so the time is right to add an explosive complementary runner to shoulder some of the offensive load.

46. Philadelphia Eagles: Lavonte David, Nebraska, OLB: Andy Reid is intent on rebuilding his defense with athletic playmakers with instincts and awareness.

 

 

47. New York Jets: Courtney Upshaw, Alabama, OLB: The Jets' defense has taken a step back without an established pass rusher to press the pocket off the edge. Upshaw isn't explosive but is a gritty competitor with a knack for getting to the quarterback.

48. New England Patriots: Trumaine Johnson, Montana, CB: The Patriots' secondary needs a facelift after surrendering numerous big plays in 2011. Johnson is a big, physical corner with excellent movement skills who could be a potential starter.

49. San Diego Chargers: Peter Konz, Wisconsin, G/C: The recent retirement of Kris Dielman and declining performance of Nick Hardwick makes it imperative for the Chargers to add a fundamentally sound player on the interior.

50. Chicago Bears: Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama, CB: If GM Phil Emery can find a comfort level with Jenkins' off-field issues, the selection of Jenkins would significantly upgrade the talent in the secondary.

51. Philadelphia Eagles: Bernard Pierce, Temple, RB: LeSean McCoy is an outstanding playmaker, but the Eagles need to add a big, physical runner to the rotation to handle some of the dirty work between the tackles.

52. Tennessee Titans: Devon Still, Penn State, DT: The Titans lost Jason Jones in free agency, so the team needs to find an imposing interior defender with size and strength.

53. Cincinnati Bengals: Vinny Curry, Marshall, DE: Marvin Lewis would love to add a hard-working edge player with rush skills. Curry is an underrated disruptive force as a pass rusher, and his presence would certainly bolster the Bengals' rush efforts.

54. Detroit Lions: Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State, G: Martin Mayhew might continue his efforts to upgrade the pass protection around Matthew Stafford with the addition of Osemele.

55. Atlanta Falcons: Dwayne Allen, Clemson, TE: It is time for the Falcons to find an eventual replacement for Tony Gonzalez.

56. Pittsburgh Steelers: Brandon Thompson, Clemson, NT: Casey Hampton is nearing the end of his career, so it is time for the Steelers to find a possible successor at nose tackle. Thompson isn't ideally suited to play the position at this time, but he has the frame to grow into the role within a year.

 

 

57. Denver Broncos: Brock Osweiler, Arizona State, QB: Osweiler is not a finished product at this point, but he could develop into a franchise-caliber quarterback after serving an apprenticeship behind Peyton Manning for a few years.

58. Houston Texans: Tommy Streeter, Miami, WR: The Texans' receiving corps needs a legitimate vertical threat to alleviate some of the pressure on Andre Johnson. Streeter possesses the size and athleticism to create mismatches against one-on-one coverage.

59. Green Bay Packers: Kendall Reyes, Connecticut, DT: Reyes is the ideal five-technique to line up beside Clay Matthews in the Packers' 3-4. He possesses the length to win against power players, but also flashes enough first-step quickness to press the pocket off the edge.

60. Baltimore Ravens: Janzen Jackson, McNeese State, S: Ed Reed's illustrious career is coming to a close, so Ozzie Newsome will look to long and hard at Jackson as a possible replacement.

61. San Francisco 49ers: Amini Silatolu, Midwestern State, G: Silatolu could become an immediate starter for the 49ers if Trent Baalke makes the move at this point. Silatolu is still raw and unrefined in several aspects of his game but would be a nice value pick for the 49ers in the second round.

62. New England Patriots: Josh Robinson, Central Florida, CB: The Patriots have already addressed this need with a previous pick, but Robinson's combination of speed and quickness makes him an intriguing option at this point.

63. New York Giants: Jamell Fleming, Oklahoma, CB: The Giants are loaded at cornerback, but Fleming brings size, length and exceptional instincts to the table.

 

 

Wonder if the Giants will package the extra fourth and maybe even Osi to trade up.

[Lughead]

So second round mock up on at NFL.com

 

33. St. Louis Rams: Cordy Glenn, Georgia, G/OT: Jeff Fisher would love to rebuild the Rams' offensive with big, athletic blockers with position flexibility. Glenn certainly fits the bill.

34. Indianapolis Colts: Coby Fleener, Stanford, TE: Colts are excited to pick up Andrew Luck's favorite target at the top of the round.

35. Baltimore Ravens: Jonathan Martin, Stanford, OT: Ozzie Newsome should tab Martin as the eventual successor to Bryant McKinnie at left tackle despite concerns regarding the Stanford tackle's temperament and effort.

36. Denver Broncos: Jerel Worthy, Michigan State, DT: John Fox wants to beef up the Broncos' frontline with more athletic big bodies in the middle.

37. Cleveland Browns: Rueben Randle, LSU, WR: Mike Holmgren continues to remake the Browns' offense by adding a polished pass catcher with outstanding size, speed and ball skills.

38. Jacksonville Jaguars: Andre Branch, Clemson, DE: The Jaguars' pass rush desperately needs an explosive edge rusher like Branch in the rotation.

 

 

39. St. Louis Rams: Stephen Hill, Georgia Tech, WR: Sam Bradford would welcome a big, athletic target like Hill to feature in the passing game.

40. Carolina Panthers: Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina, WR: The Panthers need to surround Cam Newton with a host of dynamic weapons in the passing game. Jeffery's size and athleticism make him a tough guard, particularly in the red zone.

41. Buffalo Bills: Mike Adams, Ohio State, OT: Buddy Nix is not content with the Bills' offensive tackle situation, so taking a flier on the talented Adams is a sensible selection at this point.

42. Miami Dolphins: Bobby Massie, Ole Miss: With Marc Colombo officially retired, the Dolphins could use a physical right tackle to shore up offensive line.

43. Seattle Seahawks: Zach Brown, North Carolina, LB: Pete Carroll wants to improve the speed and athleticism of Seahawks' linebacker corps. Brown's extraordinary explosiveness makes him a perfect fit.

44. Kansas City Chiefs: Mychal Kendricks, Cal, ILB: The Chiefs have knocked their recent drafts out of the park by consistently selecting tough, productive players like Kendricks in early rounds.

45. St. Louis Rams: Lamar Miller, Miami, RB: Steven Jackson is starting to slow down, so the time is right to add an explosive complementary runner to shoulder some of the offensive load.

46. Philadelphia Eagles: Lavonte David, Nebraska, OLB: Andy Reid is intent on rebuilding his defense with athletic playmakers with instincts and awareness.

 

 

47. New York Jets: Courtney Upshaw, Alabama, OLB: The Jets' defense has taken a step back without an established pass rusher to press the pocket off the edge. Upshaw isn't explosive but is a gritty competitor with a knack for getting to the quarterback.

48. New England Patriots: Trumaine Johnson, Montana, CB: The Patriots' secondary needs a facelift after surrendering numerous big plays in 2011. Johnson is a big, physical corner with excellent movement skills who could be a potential starter.

49. San Diego Chargers: Peter Konz, Wisconsin, G/C: The recent retirement of Kris Dielman and declining performance of Nick Hardwick makes it imperative for the Chargers to add a fundamentally sound player on the interior.

50. Chicago Bears: Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama, CB: If GM Phil Emery can find a comfort level with Jenkins' off-field issues, the selection of Jenkins would significantly upgrade the talent in the secondary.

51. Philadelphia Eagles: Bernard Pierce, Temple, RB: LeSean McCoy is an outstanding playmaker, but the Eagles need to add a big, physical runner to the rotation to handle some of the dirty work between the tackles.

52. Tennessee Titans: Devon Still, Penn State, DT: The Titans lost Jason Jones in free agency, so the team needs to find an imposing interior defender with size and strength.

53. Cincinnati Bengals: Vinny Curry, Marshall, DE: Marvin Lewis would love to add a hard-working edge player with rush skills. Curry is an underrated disruptive force as a pass rusher, and his presence would certainly bolster the Bengals' rush efforts.

54. Detroit Lions: Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State, G: Martin Mayhew might continue his efforts to upgrade the pass protection around Matthew Stafford with the addition of Osemele.

55. Atlanta Falcons: Dwayne Allen, Clemson, TE: It is time for the Falcons to find an eventual replacement for Tony Gonzalez.

56. Pittsburgh Steelers: Brandon Thompson, Clemson, NT: Casey Hampton is nearing the end of his career, so it is time for the Steelers to find a possible successor at nose tackle. Thompson isn't ideally suited to play the position at this time, but he has the frame to grow into the role within a year.

 

 

57. Denver Broncos: Brock Osweiler, Arizona State, QB: Osweiler is not a finished product at this point, but he could develop into a franchise-caliber quarterback after serving an apprenticeship behind Peyton Manning for a few years.

58. Houston Texans: Tommy Streeter, Miami, WR: The Texans' receiving corps needs a legitimate vertical threat to alleviate some of the pressure on Andre Johnson. Streeter possesses the size and athleticism to create mismatches against one-on-one coverage.

59. Green Bay Packers: Kendall Reyes, Connecticut, DT: Reyes is the ideal five-technique to line up beside Clay Matthews in the Packers' 3-4. He possesses the length to win against power players, but also flashes enough first-step quickness to press the pocket off the edge.

60. Baltimore Ravens: Janzen Jackson, McNeese State, S: Ed Reed's illustrious career is coming to a close, so Ozzie Newsome will look to long and hard at Jackson as a possible replacement.

61. San Francisco 49ers: Amini Silatolu, Midwestern State, G: Silatolu could become an immediate starter for the 49ers if Trent Baalke makes the move at this point. Silatolu is still raw and unrefined in several aspects of his game but would be a nice value pick for the 49ers in the second round.

62. New England Patriots: Josh Robinson, Central Florida, CB: The Patriots have already addressed this need with a previous pick, but Robinson's combination of speed and quickness makes him an intriguing option at this point.

63. New York Giants: Jamell Fleming, Oklahoma, CB: The Giants are loaded at cornerback, but Fleming brings size, length and exceptional instincts to the table.

 

 

Wonder if the Giants will package the extra fourth and maybe even Osi to trade up.

 

there are rumblings about a Browns/Giants Mccoy trade on twitter

[gmenroc]

Heard Shefter on Mike/Mike this morning mention the Giants as a possibility for McCoy. He stated that he was only speculating and had absolutely nothing to document it. I'm guessing this is what ignited Twitter.

 

I would be royally pissed off if we traded ANYTHING for McCoy. He's not the worst QB, but he'd clearly be a backup and we have one of those in David Carr.

[Lughead]

Heard Shefter on Mike/Mike this morning mention the Giants as a possibility for McCoy. He stated that he was only speculating and had absolutely nothing to document it. I'm guessing this is what ignited Twitter.

 

I would be royally pissed off if we traded ANYTHING for McCoy. He's not the worst QB, but he'd clearly be a backup and we have one of those in David Carr.

I agree there is no need to trade for McCoy................ Hypothetical here, its a 3 way trade Osi for McCoy,McCoy for rams 1st in the second and we nab Fleener from the Colts. But, I dont see the rams giving up athe #1 in the 2nd for a back up QB.

[Allstarjim]

Schefter is pretty good about having his ear to the whispers and rumblings in NFL front offices... I'm thinking any trade for McCoy is going to include Osi, and we'll get Cleveland's 2nd rounder, maybe pass them a 6th, too. I doubt they give up a 3rd AND Osi for McCoy and their 2nd. We're really doing them a favor by taking McCoy if they want to give Weeden the job week 1.

[Sephiroth]

What about we trade Osi and a fourth to swap picks with the Rams and get Steven Jackson too? Or is that asking too much... they get a top-end pass rusher and an extra 2 and 4, and we get Fleener and a bruiser to pair with our three speedsters at RB?

[BlueInCanada]

What about we trade Osi and a fourth to swap picks with the Rams and get Steven Jackson too? Or is that asking too much... they get a top-end pass rusher and an extra 2 and 4, and we get Fleener and a bruiser to pair with our three speedsters at RB?

 

You want them to trade their franchise RB which is the only thing winning games for them?

 

It's like saying someone should trade us a third and get Eli in return.