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Allstarjim

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Here's my cut and paste job from Giants.com.

 

Offense (24)

Quarterbacks (2): Eli Manning, Sage Rosenfels,

Running Backs (4): Brandon Jacobs, Ahmad Bradshaw, D.J. Ware, Darius Reynaud

Fullbacks (1): Madison Hedgecock

Wide Receivers (6): Steve Smith, Mario Manningham, Hakeem Nicks, Ramses Barden, Victor Cruz, Duke Calhoun

Tight Ends (2): Kevin Boss, Travis Beckum

Offensive Linemen (9): David Diehl, Rich Seubert, Shaun O'Hara, Chris Snee, Kareem McKenzie, Will Beatty, Adam Koets, Shawn Andrews, Mitch Petrus

 

Defense (26)

Defensive Linemen: (9): Justin Tuck, Barry Cofield, Chris Canty, Mathias Kiwanuka, Osi Umenyiora, Rocky Bernard, Dave Tollefson, Jason Pierre-Paul, Linval Joseph

Linebackers (8): Jonathan Goff, Michael Boley, Keith Bulluck, Bryan Kehl, Clint Sintim, Chase Blackburn, Phillip Dillard, Gerris Wilkinson

Cornerbacks (5): Corey Webster, Terrell Thomas, Aaron Ross, Bruce Johnson, D.J. Johnson

Safeties (4): Antrel Rolle, Deon Grant, Kenny Phillips, Michael Johnson

 

Specialists (3)

Kicker (1): Lawrence Tynes

Punter (1): Matt Dodge

Long Snapper (1): Zak DeOssie

 

 

My thoughts: I don't like us having just 2 qb's but the fact that Rosenfels comes in to replace Bomar is good news.

 

We don't need 4 running backs. DJ Ware IMO is more than expendable now that we got that kid from the Vikings. I'd like to see Andre Brown stick around on the practice squad.

 

Wide receivers is fine. Cruz earned the spot, not sure what Calhoun can do but I don't think he makes it to next week. I'm just glad there's no Moss.

 

Offensive line: The Andrews pickup might just work by the looks of it. I think Koets could have been moved on, Deossie can do that job.

Defensive Line: Feel bad for Alford, and I like that Dave Tollefson sticks around, he produces in spot duty.

 

Linebackers: Gerris Wilkerson moves into the WTF slot left by Moss.

 

Corners: To me this is a huge concern. I don't have total faith in anyone other than Thomas, Ross is just too injury prone. Hopefully somebody with experience is picked up these next few days.

 

 

Tynes: Fuck, give me a break. Shayne Graham is out there dammit!!!

 

 

Boohyah - I sort of agree that Koets could've been moved on, but not with your rationale. There is no way DeOssie could be back up to O'Hara. Long snapping for your punter is MUCH different than having Eli under center with your responsibility of blocking the Jay Ratliff's and Albert Haynesworth's from crushing your QB. DeOssie is NOT an OL, he's a 240 lb linebacker, and if he had to block for Eli it would be nothing short of disaster. Not to mention that he has to get all of his work with special teams while the OL is in the offensive unit's meetings and such. But I do think Seubert could do the job if Andrews would be moved into the starting lineup. But Koets is with us, and it's probably a good thing we have someone with his experience backing up O'Hara.

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I don't think he'll ever be back. Hard to imagine, but the Giants have a plethora of WR's with new and better youngsters working their way up.

 

When I see what a UDFA like Miles Austin has done for the Cowboys, it's exciting to think what UFDA's Cruz and Calhoun might be able to accomplish. Moss had his shot. He had some moments, but he blew far more chances than he took advantage of. Hopefully, he learned something when he earned his degree because now he's going to need it.

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Is it possible that next season with Sorgi off IR, Rosie has some trade value as opposed to Bohmar?

 

 

Ahhh, good point. But it just seems risky to go with only 2 QBs. And I thought Bomar performed well enough to grab a spot. But then again, we have one of the more durable starting QBs out there....maybe that factored into it somewhat.

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I don't think he'll ever be back. Hard to imagine, but the Giants have a plethora of WR's with new and better youngsters working their way up.

 

When I see what a UDFA like Miles Austin has done for the Cowboys, it's exciting to think what UFDA's Cruz and Calhoun might be able to accomplish. Moss had his shot. He had some moments, but he blew far more chances than he took advantage of. Hopefully, he learned something when he earned his degree because now he's going to need it.

Yes, but we`ve been saying that for years. By now he`s laid eggs and we`ll have hundreds on Moss`s on the roster by next training camp.

 

They could have cut him but they didn`t. He`s still a Giant, can still attend team meetings etc and they are still paying his salary.

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Mr. P

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Bomar will get picked up by someone...no way he's on our practice squad this year.

 

And Derek Hagan didn't really have a bad preseason...the dropped TD the other night but that would have been a tough catch anyway...plays well on special teams...kind of surprised we cut Hagan. No sense in giving up on Barden but why keep Calhoun over Hagan?

 

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Rumor is he cleared but don't know that for sure or if he signed on practice squad. RT @Millien4life: any word on Bomar? #nyg

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Overall, I'm pleased with these cuts. Bomar never impressed me, and as to why Alford was cut, maybe it's the effort thing. All you hear during a game is 'Bernard in the bottom of the pile'. Never any mention of Alford. Calhoun is a wait and see. At least he'll be valuable on sp. teams, and that's a good reason to keep him over butter fingers Cruz.

 

My main concerns are:

 

1. The running back situation. Unless Jacobs has a mental reincarnation, we don't have anyone who can carry a heavy load.

 

2. Punt and KO returns. Calhoun has the speed, but we don't know if he has cut and run speed. BF Cruz can't be trusted to catch the ball that far down field. If we have to use Bradshaw here, we're really screwed.

 

3. Who is taking Pierce's place at the helm?

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Overall, I'm pleased with these cuts. Bomar never impressed me, and as to why Alford was cut, maybe it's the effort thing. All you hear during a game is 'Bernard in the bottom of the pile'. Never any mention of Alford. Calhoun is a wait and see. At least he'll be valuable on sp. teams, and that's a good reason to keep him over butter fingers Cruz.

 

My main concerns are:

 

1. The running back situation. Unless Jacobs has a mental reincarnation, we don't have anyone who can carry a heavy load.

 

2. Punt and KO returns. Calhoun has the speed, but we don't know if he has cut and run speed. BF Cruz can't be trusted to catch the ball that far down field. If we have to use Bradshaw here, we're really screwed.

 

3. Who is taking Pierce's place at the helm?

 

we didnt keep him over cruz.

 

and reynaud that we got in the trade from minny is going to be our returner.

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Overall, I'm pleased with these cuts. Bomar never impressed me, and as to why Alford was cut, maybe it's the effort thing. All you hear during a game is 'Bernard in the bottom of the pile'. Never any mention of Alford. Calhoun is a wait and see. At least he'll be valuable on sp. teams, and that's a good reason to keep him over butter fingers Cruz.

 

My main concerns are:

 

1. The running back situation. Unless Jacobs has a mental reincarnation, we don't have anyone who can carry a heavy load.

 

2. Punt and KO returns. Calhoun has the speed, but we don't know if he has cut and run speed. BF Cruz can't be trusted to catch the ball that far down field. If we have to use Bradshaw here, we're really screwed.

 

3. Who is taking Pierce's place at the helm?

 

??

 

Hagan is a better (whom I assume you are talking about, not Cruz, because they didn't keep Calhoun over Cruz, both are on the roster), way more experienced special teamer than Duke Calhoun.

 

And we just picked up a guy in that piss poor trade to do the kickoff returns.

 

Goff is taking Pierce's place.

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Sinorice Moss is done as a New York Giant because he is not signed past this year...he's done.

 

As for the Derek Hagan/Victor Cruz/Duke Calhoun argument....Hagan had a piss poor pre-season as the gunner...Calhoun got down the field faster, thats why he was picked over Hagan, because of special teams.

 

As for the Rosenfels/Reynaud trade. It's a good one...if Eli goes down for 2-3 games..I have no problem with Rosenfelds playing those games as the Giants probably win 2 out of the 3 games. They do not win that with Bomar in there. Since Hixon went down, as you saw..the used about 4 different guys in the kick returning role....and all of them failed miserably. I'd have given up a 5 for a good kick and PUNT returner (so we don't have to see Ross, Manningham, Webster, etc) back there ever again.

 

Nothing wrong with trading a 5th rounder for a good backup QB and a good kick returner.

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Boohyah - I sort of agree that Koets could've been moved on, but not with your rationale. There is no way DeOssie could be back up to O'Hara. Long snapping for your punter is MUCH different than having Eli under center with your responsibility of blocking the Jay Ratliff's and Albert Haynesworth's from crushing your QB. DeOssie is NOT an OL, he's a 240 lb linebacker, and if he had to block for Eli it would be nothing short of disaster. Not to mention that he has to get all of his work with special teams while the OL is in the offensive unit's meetings and such. But I do think Seubert could do the job if Andrews would be moved into the starting lineup. But Koets is with us, and it's probably a good thing we have someone with his experience backing up O'Hara.

 

I wasn't saying Deossie can play the offensive line, I was talking about long snapping which was the main reason we signed Koets in the first place. However If I'm correct Rich Seubert and Diehl can backup O'Hara if he ever went down.

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I wasn't saying Deossie can play the offensive line, I was talking about long snapping which was the main reason we signed Koets in the first place. However If I'm correct Rich Seubert and Diehl can backup O'Hara if he ever went down.

 

No, you're not correct.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have no evidence you are incorrect, I just felt like posting it to maintain my 'asshole' status.

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I wasn't saying Deossie can play the offensive line, I was talking about long snapping which was the main reason we signed Koets in the first place. However If I'm correct Rich Seubert and Diehl can backup O'Hara if he ever went down.

 

 

I stand corrected! I would say Seubert could back him up, Diehl probably could as well but I think our line is much better with him at LT or G, even with Andrews in there. Maybe there was a concern about Seubert's wrist injury and they wanted to make sure that a player with experience could step in that role and perform. Koets is that guy and I have no problem with him being retained for that reason. I think Koets has done a good job at center for us this preseason. Our line situation is pretty darn good going into this season, much better than last year, especially considering the Andrews signing. Hopefully Petrus also blossoms into a solid player at guard as well. Anyways, we drafted Koets to be a project tackle, I thought, and they just moved him into the interior because, and I'm conjecturing a bit here, he did not have the quickness to play tackle.

 

Anyways, I get it, you are not a Koets fan... I don't think he's very versatile, but as a role player I think he does add value to the line. Hopefully, we won't see him out there much! I expect the offense to be much more balanced and effective this year behind a more consistent and dominant O-line... Can't wait for next Sunday.

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I stand corrected! I would say Seubert could back him up, Diehl probably could as well but I think our line is much better with him at LT or G, even with Andrews in there. Maybe there was a concern about Seubert's wrist injury and they wanted to make sure that a player with experience could step in that role and perform. Koets is that guy and I have no problem with him being retained for that reason. I think Koets has done a good job at center for us this preseason. Our line situation is pretty darn good going into this season, much better than last year, especially considering the Andrews signing. Hopefully Petrus also blossoms into a solid player at guard as well. Anyways, we drafted Koets to be a project tackle, I thought, and they just moved him into the interior because, and I'm conjecturing a bit here, he did not have the quickness to play tackle.

 

Anyways, I get it, you are not a Koets fan... I don't think he's very versatile, but as a role player I think he does add value to the line. Hopefully, we won't see him out there much! I expect the offense to be much more balanced and effective this year behind a more consistent and dominant O-line... Can't wait for next Sunday.

 

 

It's not that I don't like Koets, but I feel the same about DeOssie that I do about Koets in that I don't like the idea of us tying up roster spots for guys who are more specialty players. I mean DeOssie has done nothing at linebacker at all, and Koets has been hurt a lot for a guy who then barely plays. Trust me I'd be so glad if a guy like Seubert, a regular, was able to snap the ball. Then we could keep guys like Alford.

 

 

It was like the whole 2 kickers situation years ago, when we had Daluiso kicking deep but not kicking field goals. And then all of a sudden he started doing both. Nothing says you're not doing your homework in scouting when you have 2 kickers on a roster.

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