Sephiroth Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 37 minutes ago, boohyah said: Frankly, I don't think any of this is going to bother Schoen or Daboll. That's the pairing that matters in this organization. We could have lost both coordinators last season. Might be time for Jerome Henderson to step up. I was thinking he'd be an excellent candidate too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 15 hours ago, GorillaNJ said: WOW! reading between the lines a bit, there's a clever bit of gamesmanship from Daboll and Schoen. Drew Wilkins is one of Wink's friends and he has been mentoring Wilkins towards a DC gig of his own. So Wink was being 'retained', but then Daboll and Schoen go behind his back and can the closest guy to Wink on the staff, probably knowing that Wink would lose his shit and resign.... thereby saving them the hassle (financial and otherwise) of canning Wink directly. Smart! And so Wink comes off as kind of a pussy. Its a tough business and Wilkins was the one position coach on D whose group had clearly underdeveloped and underperformed. Daboll canned his friend who wasn't cutting it, Bobby Johnson. Wink couldn't stomach the same deal on his side of the ball. Thats the reason one of them is a head coach, and the other is out of a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 15 hours ago, GorillaNJ said: WOW! reading between the lines a bit, there's a clever bit of gamesmanship from Daboll and Schoen. Drew Wilkins is one of Wink's friends and he has been mentoring Wilkins towards a DC gig of his own. So Wink was being 'retained', but then Daboll and Schoen go behind his back and can the closest guy to Wink on the staff, probably knowing that Wink would lose his shit and resign.... thereby saving them the hassle (financial and otherwise) of canning Wink directly. Smart! And so Wink comes off as kind of a pussy. Its a tough business and Wilkins was the one position coach on D whose group had clearly underdeveloped and underperformed. Daboll canned his friend who wasn't cutting it, Bobby Johnson. Wink couldn't stomach the same deal on his side of the ball. Thats the reason one of them is a head coach, and the other is out of a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 20 minutes ago, CrazedDogs said: WOW! reading between the lines a bit, there's a clever bit of gamesmanship from Daboll and Schoen. Drew Wilkins is one of Wink's friends and he has been mentoring Wilkins towards a DC gig of his own. So Wink was being 'retained', but then Daboll and Schoen go behind his back and can the closest guy to Wink on the staff, probably knowing that Wink would lose his shit and resign.... thereby saving them the hassle (financial and otherwise) of canning Wink directly. Smart! And so Wink comes off as kind of a pussy. Its a tough business and Wilkins was the one position coach on D whose group had clearly underdeveloped and underperformed. Daboll canned his friend who wasn't cutting it, Bobby Johnson. Wink couldn't stomach the same deal on his side of the ball. Thats the reason one of them is a head coach, and the other is out of a job. Johnson should have been gone in season, probably made it the whole year because of his friendship. I wouldn’t want to work for someone who uses passive aggressive tactics to get people to quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Besides, Kafka is the coordinator who deserves to be pushed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 21 minutes ago, CrazedDogs said: WOW! reading between the lines a bit, there's a clever bit of gamesmanship from Daboll and Schoen. Drew Wilkins is one of Wink's friends and he has been mentoring Wilkins towards a DC gig of his own. So Wink was being 'retained', but then Daboll and Schoen go behind his back and can the closest guy to Wink on the staff, probably knowing that Wink would lose his shit and resign.... thereby saving them the hassle (financial and otherwise) of canning Wink directly. Smart! And so Wink comes off as kind of a pussy. Its a tough business and Wilkins was the one position coach on D whose group had clearly underdeveloped and underperformed. Daboll canned his friend who wasn't cutting it, Bobby Johnson. Wink couldn't stomach the same deal on his side of the ball. Thats the reason one of them is a head coach, and the other is out of a job. Yeah that was my thought too. Looked like an intentional move or maybe just a power move. Either way it looks manipulative and targeted at wink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 So Wink acted like a big bitch during a meeting and the Giants are forcing him out using normal NFL stuff. So this is a non story then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I wonder if Kafka had the same response when they let Bobby Johnson go lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 21 minutes ago, BlueInCanada said: So Wink acted like a big bitch during a meeting and the Giants are forcing him out using normal NFL stuff. So this is a non story then. “Normal nfl stuff” is firing a guy when you don’t want him to work for you any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Mr. P said: “Normal nfl stuff” is firing a guy when you don’t want him to work for you any more. I assume they don't want him to leave but he decided to. He's the one who resigned. Letting go of an OLB and assistant when the entire team is seeing guys let go at various positions shouldn't be a reason to get all pissy pants and storm out of the organization like a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 22 minutes ago, BlueInCanada said: I assume they don't want him to leave but he decided to. He's the one who resigned. Letting go of an OLB and assistant when the entire team is seeing guys let go at various positions shouldn't be a reason to get all pissy pants and storm out of the organization like a child. If that story is true. and you said “forcing him out”. If they want to force him out, just fire him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jranieli Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 They have control over Wink of who he can talk to by not firing him. Doubt the Giants will let him talk to the Eagles once they fire Patricia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaNJ Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 12 minutes ago, jranieli said: They have control over Wink of who he can talk to by not firing him. Doubt the Giants will let him talk to the Eagles once they fire Patricia. Is there a difference in his pay if he quits vs being fired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jranieli Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, GorillaNJ said: Is there a difference in his pay if he quits vs being fired? He probably gets nothing if he quits and the Giants can control who he speaks to. If he is fired, he can go anywhere he wants. Gets a nice payout too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jranieli Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Furious Wink Martindale cursed out Brian Daboll after Giants coach fired his right-hand man If Wink Martindale has resigned his position as the Giants’ defensive coordinator, he is advised to notify the Giants of his decision. As of Tuesday evening, the team had not heard anything from Martindale, who stormed out of the building on Monday, and Tuesday morning was on a flight headed to a home he has in Florida. What is apparent is that Martindale and the Giants are done after two seasons, with clear and present signs that Martindale and head coach Brian Daboll endured through a deteriorating relationship that could no longer continue. Martindale is under contract and owed $3 million for the 2024 season. He forfeits that money if he indeed resigns his position. Also, if he resigns, his contract simply does not go away. A resignation would allow the Giants to prevent Martindale from accepting a job with another team, which is not a situation Martindale wants to get embroiled in. Thus, his wildly emotional response to Daboll firing his most loyal confidant, outside linebackers coach Drew Wilkins, along with his younger brother Kevin, a defensive assistant, has ramifications that need to get cleaned up, contractually, before Martindale and the Giants part ways. 5 Giants defensive coordinator Wink Martindale.Bill Kostroun for the NY Post Martindale, wearing his trademark black joggers, black sleeveless vest and donning a Yankees cap, was spotted Tuesday morning at Newark Liberty International Airport boarding a flight to Sarasota. Heading home is not the normal course of action for an NFL coach two days after the end of a season. This is the time for staff meetings and final evaluations, responsibilities that Martindale no longer believes he is obligated to complete. Daboll said during his early Monday morning meeting with the media a day after closing a 6-11 season with a 27-10 victory over the Eagles that his “expectation’’ was that Martindale and offensive coordinator Mike Kafka would return in 2024. This was before Daboll met with Martindale, and so that “expectation’’ was sketchy, given that Daboll knew the news he was about to impart. Here is what went down, according to people in the building who were aware of the situation: Daboll met with Martindale on Monday and told him there were staff changes coming. Daboll mentioned the dismissals of special teams coach Thomas McGaughey and offensive line coach Bobby Johnson. 5 Giants head coach Brian Daboll (r.) with GM Joe Schoen (l.) on Monday.Charles Wenzelberg/NY Post There is no secret how close Daboll is with Johnson and this one was a tough one for Daboll, but he felt it was necessary for the betterment of the team moving forward. Daboll told Martindale he wanted him to stay but that he was going to fire the Wilkins brothers. Martindale brought the Wilkinses with him to the Giants from the Ravens. On the sideline, it is Drew Wilkins helping Martindale with the personnel groupings and directing traffic for him. Drew Wilkins helps Martindale devise the defensive schemes. Martindale, angered by this news, cursed out Daboll, said his piece, got up, slammed the door and walked out of the building. He notified those close to him he planned to resign. More than 24 hours later, the Giants still had not heard anything from Martindale. Why was Daboll adamant about getting rid of Drew Wilkins and, by association, Kevin Wilkins? There was a feeling in the building that Martindale and Drew Wilkins were creating their own fiefdom within the coaching staff, at times bypassing Daboll and believing they had to answer only to each other and, ultimately, ownership. 5 The Giants fired outside linebackers coach Drew Wilkins.Noah K. Murray for the NY Post Daboll is all about collaboration and this was not that. Martindale, 60, was extremely popular with his players and his side of the ball, while hardly dominant, consistently performed better than the offense, which is Daboll’s bailiwick. That caused friction, as well. When safety Xavier McKinney complained about a lack of communication between players and the defensive staff, Martindale went out of his way to fuel the fire rather than douse it, which shows a difference in Martindale’s style and the way Daboll prefers to limit all distractions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Just fire the guy then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Quote Schwartz provides an interesting timeline for what occurred Monday and how the relationship got to where it is. Some of the takeaways: Daboll met with Martindale on Monday and told him there were staff changes coming....Daboll told Martindale he wanted him to stay, but that he was going to fire the Wilkins brothers....Martindale, angered by this news, cursed out Daboll, said his piece, got up, slammed the door and walked out of the building. He notified those close to him that he planned to resign. More than 24 hours later, the Giants still had not heard anything from Martindale. ...There was a feeling in the building that Martindale and Drew Wilkins were creating their own fiefdom within the coaching staff, at times bypassing Daboll and believing they had to answer only to each other and, ultimately, ownership. Daboll is all about collaboration — and this was not that. Martindale, 60, was extremely popular with his players and his side of the ball, while hardly dominant, consistently performed better than the offense, which is Daboll’s bailiwick. That caused friction, as well. The Daboll-Martindale relationship grew more strained during and after the 49-17 loss in Dallas in Week 10. With rookie quarterback Tommy DeVito making his first NFL start, Daboll put in a conservative game plan, across the board, surmising that it would take all three phases — offense, defense and special teams — to succeed with a ball-control mindset to have any realistic chance to stay close. Martindale disregarded the plan and stuck with his pressure packages. The results were unsightly....and the Giants allowed a ghastly 640 yards, the second-most yards allowed in franchise history and the most amassed by the Cowboys in any game in their history. Going into halftime in Dallas, with the Giants trailing 28-0, Daboll and Martindale engaged in what appeared to be a heated exchange. Afterward, Daboll said they were discussing “coverages.’’ Daboll privately confronted Martindale, twice, about the [Glazer] report and no explanation was given. Daboll walked into a meeting of the defensive staff and, referring to the report, announced if anyone had a problem with him they should speak up. No one spoke up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 lol Winks a butthurt child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Mr. P said: Just fire the guy then. There is zero reason to fire him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, BlueInCanada said: There is zero reason to fire him. You want to keep him still? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jranieli Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 The Giants will probably let him go, but not to a division rival. He's under contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Depressing that it fell apart like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman_NYG Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 So apparently Wink has NOT resigned yet - some sort of stuff still going on. Plus the guy who posted that story of Wink's fight with Daboll came out and admitted that it was fake - so no point in reading into it. More should become clear in the next day or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 13 minutes ago, Iceman_NYG said: So apparently Wink has NOT resigned yet - some sort of stuff still going on. Plus the guy who posted that story of Wink's fight with Daboll came out and admitted that it was fake - so no point in reading into it. More should become clear in the next day or so Link to the guy saying it was fake? I haven’t seen that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman_NYG Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 56 minutes ago, Mr. P said: Link to the guy saying it was fake? I haven’t seen that. Dont have a link - but I read it on the news - the part where he mentioned you havent gained a yard against us and fuck you and walking out etc...Jordan Ranaan's update i believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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