Giants trade for Isaiah Simmons

[Herc]

https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1694718585569198255?s=46&t=q2xbXJSwDPoVzAljqoMF9w

[Herc]

I don’t know why these won’t embed for me anymore.  7th round pick was the comp

[Mr. P]

Interesting. 

[mastershake]

I was thinking we really need another LB besides Bobby Okereke. Good low risk option to bring in Simmons, and he can play on passing downs as well, and in general to spell Okereke once in a while.

I realize McFadden is also here, but he's mediocre. Beavers is also unproven.

[jranieli]

41 minutes ago, Herc said:

I don’t know why these won’t embed for me anymore.  7th round pick was the comp

I think you have to still use twitter.com for it to embed. 

[jranieli]

Seems like people like this trade. Only 25 years old. Former first round pick in 2020. For a 7th, nice. 

[Virginia Giant]

Was he the got some people were absolutely nuts for a few years ago in the fact I draft?  

[Herc]

13 minutes ago, jranieli said:

I think you have to still use twitter.com for it to embed. 

That sounds right, thank you 

[NeMesiS]

48 minutes ago, mastershake said:

I was thinking we really need another LB besides Bobby Okereke. Good low risk option to bring in Simmons, and he can play on passing downs as well, and in general to spell Okereke once in a while.

I realize McFadden is also here, but he's mediocre. Beavers is also unproven.

let’s see how he performs under a more aggressive style defense. But the simple fact that we got him for a 7th rounder is actually amazing. 

[Mr. P]

He was gonna get cut most likely.  
 

I wonder how he will be used, he didn’t like being used as a linebacker and asked Cards to move him to safety last season which I believe they did.  

[Mr. P]

3 minutes ago, Mr. P said:

He was gonna get cut most likely.  
 

I wonder how he will be used, he didn’t like being used as a linebacker and asked Cards to move him to safety last season which I believe they did.  

 

guess this answers that:

 

 

Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
Hearing Giants believe Simmons played out of position at safety with the Cardinals, and they think he can thrive at ILB in Wink's system and be a weapon in creative setting that plays to his strengths. 

[mastershake]

Doesn't matter whether he's considered an LB or S to me. He plays his best ball when he's playing upfield, near the line of scrimmage attacking, and covering the TE.

[mastershake]

2 minutes ago, Mr. P said:

 

guess this answers that:

 

 

Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
Hearing Giants believe Simmons played out of position at safety with the Cardinals, and they think he can thrive at ILB in Wink's system and be a weapon in creative setting that plays to his strengths. 

Fine by me. He's not a two deep style safety. He's a down player, at best playing in the front 7 or 6.

[mastershake]

For what it's worth, dip back to his college days. Nearly all his plays are playing upfield in the box, not in the backfield.

[Mr. P]

I’m sure it will be a hybrid type role anyway. 

[GorillaNJ]

41 minutes ago, NeMesiS said:

let’s see how he performs under a more aggressive style defense. But the simple fact that we got him for a 7th rounder is actually amazing. 

7th round pick is basically for free so long as they are going to have him on the roster this year.   

Okereke is a tacking machine who always seems to be in the right place, is there anything better to pair with that than a complete athlete to get creative with? 

[Sephiroth]

1 hour ago, Virginia Giant said:

Was he the got some people were absolutely nuts for a few years ago in the fact I draft?  

Given a quick look this appears to be English, but upon closer examination I find it pretty sus. 

[jranieli]

VG is speaking in tongues. 

[BlueInCanada]

Considering the Cardinals were going to cut him.

Good trade. 

See if we can tap into that athleticism since he doesn't understand a fucking thing about playing defense apparently lol 

[BlueInCanada]

1 hour ago, Mr. P said:

I’m sure it will be a hybrid type role anyway. 

Yeah if Wink has shown anything he loves his athletic freak defenders. 

Hope he plays more LB than saftey. 

He is just awful as a safety. 

[BlueInCanada]

1 hour ago, Virginia Giant said:

Was he the got some people were absolutely nuts for a few years ago in the fact I draft?  

He was highly praised coming out of college, I think a number of mocks had the Giants taking him over any LT (Thomas) in 2020.

A "jack of all trades" who could do it all. Play saftey, play LB, rush the passer.

The problem was when he got to the NFL the Cards realized he didn't know a thing about playing a single position well enough and struggled to get him in the right spot.

I assume Wink has a plan and for a 7th round pick I'm willing to see if that plan works.

[gmenroc]

Can't complain for a 7th...was a combine freak...very athletic.  Gotta believe he is best in space and clearly has range.  A bit surprised to hear him linked to the inside as opposed to outside.  Interested to see him in blitz packages.

Don't see him holding the edge...so maybe that's the benefit to being inside.  I do like him in coverage of TEs and RBs.

Either way, as mentioned...a very low risk move and gives Wink something to get creative with.  

 

[Sephiroth]

I remember when he was in the draft I said that "if he has four positions, then he doesn't have one."  I think that's mostly still true. 

Gifted athlete but he's not very good. 

[BlueInCanada]

Ain't Schoen a fucking beauty? 

He's a real fucking beauty.

Even if he's average it's still better than any 7th round guy you could draft. 

Nice to have a GM who is proactive in trying to build a competitive team. 

[mastershake]

9 minutes ago, Sephiroth said:

I remember when he was in the draft I said that "if he has four positions, then he doesn't have one."  I think that's mostly still true. 

Gifted athlete but he's not very good. 

He's good when he's in the box, and in coverage only when covering TE's or RB's. That's it. He's not a MLB and he's not a two deep safety.