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I'm fucking psyched.. I don't want football to end... Doesn't free agency begin March 13th or something?

 

At any rate who's out there that the Giants can get? Is Mario Williams available? Could he be in blue should Osi find another team? I'm just wondering who out there than can be a game changer for us.. say a MLB in the mold of Patrick Willis (wouldn't mind taking him from the 9ers as they're a force for years to come).

 

So my fellow sportswrathians and particularly the 3-headed info-bank in BB25, Fish, and Jim... help a brother out :)

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As much as I'd love to add Mario, it's not happening.

 

Dude will get $80 million that we don't have to spend.

 

I hope Osi stays another year and hopefully we get a high potential youngster to take Tollys job so he can be groomed for the 3rd and longs.

 

Maybe Sintim makes a miracle comeback as a DE.

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Remember, free agency isn't the way this team is built. They fill holes with free agency, but the core group is through the draft. Mario Williams makes no sense at all. Yes this is his free agency year, but we just have our own Mario Williams in JPP, there is no way they'll break the bank for him. Tuck and JPP is the duo for 2012 and hopefully for a lot longer.

 

A mid-level TE, and probably an offensive lineman who can start in a pinch. Maybe Reese makes a bit of a splash with a starting RT talent. But I won't expect any sexy signings. But the injuries to Ballard and Beckum make TE a necessity, other than that, there will be plenty of moves, but most of those will probably be re-signing our own players or filling out the roster with quality backups. And I expect most of that to be done in the summer, during the second free agency period.

 

We also don't have a ton of money under the cap.

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I would like this team to remain the way it is. We actually don't need any type of addition from FA. We need to sign our own guys back. TT and Osi. Then you have LB that went down during the earlier season. Goff, Sintim and the other 3 LB that we got are young and I think Reese will wait it out. We still got some young O-line guys to work out.

 

Other than that I'm hyped on the draft. Who you guys think we will target? Another WR to replace Mario in case he leaves.

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There's a lot of work to do this F/A just because we have 22 UFAs!!!!

 

Plus guys like Nicks, Phillips, And Cruz need new deals soon, so cap management is huge.

 

Via draft id go offensive playmaker in round 1 and get either Sannu from Rutgers at WR or Lamar Miller from The U at RB.

 

Unless there's a BPA at OL or on D.

 

I definately do NOT want to see a TE drafted in round 1 unless it's likely to be the next Gronk or Graham.

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I would like this team to remain the way it is. We actually don't need any type of addition from FA. We need to sign our own guys back. TT and Osi. Then you have LB that went down during the earlier season. Goff, Sintim and the other 3 LB that we got are young and I think Reese will wait it out. We still got some young O-line guys to work out.

 

Other than that I'm hyped on the draft. Who you guys think we will target? Another WR to replace Mario in case he leaves.

 

Osi is under contract for 2012 at nearly $4 million. I don't see a reason for him to complain, and I expect at that price he should be a Giant next year. He may try to hold out again but even if he does, Reese won't bend. He's getting a good salary and quite honestly, there are several other Giants that deserve more money that are way more underpaid than Osi. Dave Tollefson is a free agent. I hope Reese can bring him back, but if he can get some good money elsewhere than he should go. But he is a valuable reserve.

 

Honestly, with our cap situation the way it is and the cap likely to remain flat, there's not a ton of wiggle room. I expect that some guys we all would like to see stay will be gone, like Aaron Ross, and Mario Manningham. McKenzie is pretty much a sure thing to be elsewhere.

 

Here are our free agents, with predictions of who I think will be retained in parenthesis:

 

Stacy Andrews

Rocky Bernard (I think will earn more money somewhere else)

Chase Blackburn (earned the right to compete for the starting MLB spot next year)

Will Blackmon

David Carr (He'll be back on a similar deal to 2011)

Michael Clayton

Michael Coe (I expect Reese to bring him back... could be a valuable reserve next year)

Jonathan Goff (was revealing big potential prior to his injury before week 1)

Deon Grant (on the fence with this one, could go either way, but vet minimum is the most he'll get from NY)

Domenik Hixon (career may be over, but days in Blue almost certainly over)

Bruce Johnson

Jimmy Kennedy

Mario Manningham (SB hero gets big $$$ elsewhere for 2012... Tampa Bay?)

Derrick Martin (improved over the course of the year, became valuable ST'er... could be back for minimum)

Kareem McKenzie (Can't afford to pay an aging RT showing signs of decline)

Aaron Ross (cap casualty... probably can get more elsewhere than what the Giants can afford)

Devin Thomas (expect a short term deal on the cheap as Thomas continues career rehab with a winner)

Terrell Thomas (Yes, please. Likely a 1 year deal that will let him re-establish his worth)

Dave Tollefson (I hope he returns. Unless he gets a big opportunity somewhere else he could be back.)

Justin Tryon (flip a coin, could be camp fodder even if he's offered a contract)

Tony Ugoh (should be retained if price is right to compete for a spot in camp next year)

Steve Weatherford (deal finalized yet?)

 

Restricted/Exclusive Rights:

 

Jake Ballard

Bear Pascoe (should be offered a contract before the draft)

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Nicks is under contract for 2012 and 2013. He also got a $6.5 million signing bonus in 2009. I don't expect any extension talk out of him before the conclusion of the 2012 season. He does not need to get paid this offseason. Cruz is entering the final year of his deal, in which he will be paid $490K with no signing bonus given. They will probably do something for Cruz this offseason and he deserves it. But talks about Nicks are premature. He's playing like a first rounder and was given first round money. The time will come when he will get paid a bigger deal but that time is not this offseason.

 

Phillips is under contract for 2012 as well, the last year of his deal. I don't see any reason the Giants will rush contract extension talks with him, either. With his injury history there is no incentive to talk deal before his current one expires. Phillips is scheduled to make $2.08 million in 2012. I would be far less shocked to see him cut this offseason than if he got a new deal at this point. Not that I want to see that happen, I want KP back, but he isn't getting a new contract right now.

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Np, Tree. Gotta love Rotoworld.

 

 

New York Giants Player Position Contract Terms Prince Amukamara Defensive Back 8/4/2011: Signed a four-year, $8.18 million contract. The deal contains $7,484,700 guaranteed, including a $4.44 million signing bonus. 2012: $746,859, 2013: $1,118,718, 2014: $795,200, 2015: Free Agent

Marvin Austin Defensive Lineman 7/29/2011: Signed a four-year, $3.675 million contract. The deal included a $1.24 million signing bonus. 2012: $546,627, 2013: $668,254, 2014: $839,881, 2015: Free Agent

David Baas Center 7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $27.5 million contract. The deal contains $11.5 million guaranteed, including an $8.5 million signing bonus, all of Baas' first-year salary, and $2 million of his second-year salary. Annual $250,000 workout bonuses are available in years two through five. 2012: $3 million, 2013: $4.25 million, 2014: $4.75 million, 2015: $5 million, 2016: Free Agent

Jake Ballard Tight End 2012: Exclusive Rights Free Agent

Ramses Barden Wide Receiver 6/24/2009: Signed a four-year, $2.481 million contract. The deal included a $731,000 signing bonus. Another $743,000 is available in year four based on escalators. 2012: $565,000, 2013: Free Agent

William Beatty Tackle 7/30/2009: Signed a four-year, $2.670 million contract. The deal included a $920,000 signing bonus. 2012: $565,000, 2013: Free Agent

Travis Beckum Tight End 6/29/2009: Signed a four-year, $2.363 million contract. The deal included a $613,000 signing bonus. Beckum's fourth-year base salary can escalate to $1.308 million if he hits certain playing-time levels. 2012: $615,000, 2013: Free Agent

Rocky Bernard Defensive Lineman 2012: Free Agent

Brandon Bing Defensive Back 2/8/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.

Michael Boley Linebacker 2/28/2009: Signed a five-year, $25 million contract. The deal contains $11 million guaranteed, including a $7 million signing bonus, his first-year base salary, and $1.5 million of Boley's year-two salary. Annual $250,000 workout bonuses are available in years two through five. 2012: $4 million, 2013: $4.25 million, 2014: Free Agent

Kevin Boothe Guard 2012: $1.5 million, 2013: Free Agent

Ahmad Bradshaw Running Back 8/1/2011: Signed a four-year, $18 million contract. The deal contains $9 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus, Bradshaw's first-year base salary, and $2.5 million of his second-year salary. Annual $250,000 workout bonuses are available in years two through four. 2012: $3 million, 2013: $3.75 million, 2014: $4 million, 2015: Free Agent

James Brewer Tackle 7/29/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.475 million contract. The deal included a $435,000 signing bonus. 2012: $465,000, 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent

Andre Brown Running Back 2/8/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.

Chris Canty Defensive Lineman 3/1/2009: Signed a six-year, $42 million contract. The deal contains $16 million guaranteed, including an $8.5 million signing bonus, Canty's first-year base salary, and $3.75 million of his year-two salary. Annual $250,000 workout bonuses are available in years two through six. 2012: $6 million, 2013: $6.25 million, 2014: $6.5 million, 2015: Free Agent

Selvish Capers Tackle 2/8/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.

Jim Cordle Center 2012: $465,000, 2013: Exclusive Rights Free Agent

Victor Cruz Wide Receiver 2012: $490,000, 2013: Restricted Free Agent

Zak DeOssie Linebacker 11/9/2010: Signed a three-year, $3.3 million contract. The deal included a $542,000 signing bonus. 2012: $874,000, 2013: Free Agent

Dan DePalma Wide Receiver 2/8/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.

David Diehl Tackle 5/6/2008: Signed a six-year, $31 million contract. The deal includes annual escalators of between $750,000 and $1.1 million depending on Diehl playing offensive tackle as opposed to guard. 2012: $3.825 million, 2013: $4.1 million, 2014: Free Agent

Jonathan Goff Linebacker 2012: Free Agent

Deon Grant Defensive Back 2012: Free Agent

Dwayne Hendricks Defensive Lineman 2/8/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.

Mark Herzlich Linebacker 7/26/2011: Signed an undisclosed contract.

Christian Hopkins Tight End 2/8/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.

Henry Hynoski Running Back

Brandon Jacobs Running Back 2/25/2009: Signed a four-year, $25 million contract. The deal contains $13 million guaranteed, including $7.85 million in signing and roster bonuses in the first two years, Jacobs' first-year salary, and most of his second-year salary. After an August of 2011 restructuring, another $2 million was made available through incentives in that season. 2012: $4.4 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus due in March), 2013: Free Agent

Jerrel Jernigan Wide Receiver 7/29/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.6 million contract. The deal included a $575,000 signing bonus.

Greg Jones Linebacker 7/29/2011: Signed a four-year contract.

Chad Jones Defensive Back 6/11/2010: Signed a four-year, $2.616 million contract. The deal included an $825,965 signing bonus. 2012: $490,000, 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent

Linval Joseph Defensive Lineman 7/31/2010: Signed a four-year, $4.1 million contract. The deal contains $2.5 million guaranteed. 2011: $405,000, 2012: $490,000, 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent

Mathias Kiwanuka Linebacker 7/28/2011: Signed a two-year, $8.6 million contract. The deal contains $4.55 million guaranteed, including a $2 million signing bonus, a first-year roster bonus of $300,000, and $500,000 of Kiwanuka's second-year base salary. 2011: $1.75 million, 2012: $4 million (+ $250,000 workout bonus + $300,000 roster bonus), 2013: Free Agent

Eli Manning Quarterback 8/13/2009: Signed a seven-year, $106.9 million contract. The deal contains $35 million guaranteed, including a $13 million signing bonus, a second-year option bonus of $12.5 million, and all but $1 million of Manning's 2009-2011 base salaries. Another $500,000 is available in 2010-2015 via annual workout bonuses. 2011: $8.5 million, 2012: $10.75 million, 2013: $13 million, 2014: $15.15 million, 2015: $17 million, 2016: Free Agent

Mario Manningham Wide Receiver 2012: Free Agent

Kareem McKenzie Tackle 2012: Free Agent

Hakeem Nicks Wide Receiver 8/1/2009: Signed a five-year, $12.54 million contract. The deal included a $6.5 million signing bonus. 2011: $575,000, 2012: $750,000, 2013: $925,000, 2014: Free Agent

Bear Pascoe Tight End 2011: $480,000, 2012: Restricted Free Agent

Spencer Paysinger Linebacker 7/26/2011: Signed an undisclosed contract.

Ryan Perrilloux Quarterback 2/8/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.

Mitch Petrus Guard 6/23/2010: Signed a four-year, $1.981 million contract. The deal included a $191,160 signing bonus. 2011: $405,000, 2012: $490,000, 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent

Kenny Phillips Defensive Back 7/22/2008: Signed a five-year, $11.15 million contract. The deal included a $2.53 million signing bonus and contains roughly $3 million in incentives. His 2009 and 2010 base salaries were fully guaranteed. 2012: $2.08 million, 2013: Free Agent

Jason Pierre-Paul Defensive Lineman 7/31/2010: Signed a five-year, $20.05 million contract. The deal includes $11,629,807 million guaranteed. 2011: $475,000, 2012: $825,000, 2013: $1.175 million, 2014: $1.511 million, 2015: Free Agent

Giants QB Quarterback

Antrel Rolle Defensive Back 3/5/2010: Signed a five-year, $37 million contract. The deal contains $15 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus and Rolle's first two years' base salaries. Rolle also is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses. Another $100,000 is available yearly in Pro Bowl incentives. 2011: $1.25 million (+ $4 million "signing" bonus), 2012: $6.75 million, 2013-2014: $7 million, 2015: Free Agent

Aaron Ross Defensive Back 2012: Free Agent

Tyler Sash Defensive Back 7/29/2011: Signed a four-year contract.

Da'Rel Scott Running Back 7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.09 million contract. The deal included a $55,900 signing bonus.

Clint Sintim Linebacker 7/30/2009; Signed a four-year, $3.350 million contract. The deal contains $2.2 million guaranteed, including a $1.61 million signing bonus. Another $630,000 is available through incentives. 2011: $480,000, 2012: $565,000, 2013: Free Agent

Chris Snee Guard 6/24/2008: Signed six-year, $41.25 million contract. The deal contains $17 million guaranteed, including a $13.5 million signing bonus. Another $2 million is available through escalators. 2011: $2.95 million, 2012: $5.2 million, 2013: $6.2 million, 2014: $6.7 million (Voidable Year), 2015: Free Agent

Isaiah Stanback Wide Receiver 2/8/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.

Devin Thomas Wide Receiver 2012: Free Agent

Terrell Thomas Defensive Back 2012: Free Agent

Dave Tollefson Defensive Lineman 2012: Free Agent

Adrian Tracy Linebacker 2/8/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.

Justin Trattou Defensive Lineman 2012: $465,000, 2013: Exclusive Rights Free Agent

Justin Tryon Defensive Back 2012: Free Agent

Justin Tuck Defensive Lineman 1/18/2008: Signed a five-year, $30 million contract extension through 2013. The deal included a $9 million signing bonus and a second-year roster bonus of $5 million. Tuck is eligible for annual $1 million workout bonuses. Another $3 million is available through incentives in the final two years based on sacks and Pro Bowl berths. 2011: $3.45 million, 2012: $3.2 million, 2013: $4 million, 2014: Free Agent

Lawrence Tynes Place Kicker 2/11/2008: Signed a five-year, $7 million contract. The deal included a $1.25 million signing bonus and a $120,000 roster bonus in the first year. 2011: $1.2 million, 2012: $1.3 million, 2013: Free Agent

Osi Umenyiora Defensive Lineman 12/24/2005: Signed a seven-year, $41.38 million contract. The deal includes $15 million guaranteed. 2011: $3.125 million, 2012: $3.975 million, 2013: Free Agent

D.J. Ware Running Back 3/2/2011: Signed a two-year, $2 million contract. The deal includes $710,000 in incentives and bonuses. 2011: $640,000, 2012: $650,000, 2013: Free Agent

Steve Weatherford Punter 2012: Free Agent

Corey Webster Defensive Back 12/14/2008: Signed a six-year, $44.02 million contract. The deal contains $20 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus, a $3.6 million "signing" bonus in the second year, and a third-year roster bonus of $4 million. Annual $250,000 workout bonuses are available in years 2010-2013. 2011: $5 million (+ $3 million "signing" bonus), 2012: $6.5 million, 2013: $7 million, 2014: Free Agent

Jacquian Williams Linebacker 7/29/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.119 million contract.

 

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As much as I'd love to add Mario, it's not happening.

 

Dude will get $80 million that we don't have to spend.

 

I hope Osi stays another year and hopefully we get a high potential youngster to take Tollys job so he can be groomed for the 3rd and longs.

 

Maybe Sintim makes a miracle comeback as a DE.

 

I'm not sure Sintim is big enough to be a DE.

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I think Manningham, Ross and Goff may not be back. As previously stated the Giants are on a thin edge cap wise so they will have to be prudent. For a player cut I could see Jacobs going. Clearly the Giants are favouring Bradshaw and it will be hard to justify his contract unless re-worked. I like Jacobs’ intensity but he is getting paid starter money while not be used as such.

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I think Manningham, Ross and Goff may not be back. As previously stated the Giants are on a thin edge cap wise so they will have to be prudent. For a player cut I could see Jacobs going. Clearly the Giants are favouring Bradshaw and it will be hard to justify his contract unless re-worked. I like Jacobs’ intensity but he is getting paid starter money while not be used as such.

 

Not so fast... look for the Giants to shed some highly paid players who are no longer worth the price.. every team does it.

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absolutely no chance mario williams becomes a giant.

 

Agreed. And even if we could make the deal work, dont know if Id want another DE, instead of a more pressing need. I mean, get a real good LB, and move Kiwi back to DE. I undertsand the "never can have too many pass rushers" thing, but even w/o Osi, we are still stacked at the position. Get a LB, TE or maybe even antoher RB is Jacobs doesnt stay (which I fully believe he wont) and draft Oline and whatever we dont get via FA.

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Agreed. And even if we could make the deal work, dont know if Id want another DE, instead of a more pressing need. I mean, get a real good LB, and move Kiwi back to DE. I undertsand the "never can have too many pass rushers" thing, but even w/o Osi, we are still stacked at the position. Get a LB, TE or maybe even antoher RB is Jacobs doesnt stay (which I fully believe he wont) and draft Oline and whatever we dont get via FA.

 

Agreed, I mean, if another DE is drafted in the first this year, by the time he pans out (if he pans out) we'd just be worrying about having to resign a guy like Justin Tuck or JPP, anyway...and we'd be in the same exact position. You can't always have 4 starting quality DEs (counting Kiwanuka....5 if you count Tollefson which I am inclined to do so, he's a good player)....

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