BronxRik Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 So basically thats an open invitation to any troll? Time to start spreading this website around some no so respectable sites. No, not really. He hasn't done anything to suggest he is nothing more than a non-Giants fan. I was suggesting that a new member, and a fan of a different team at that, might add a jolt to the forum, particularly during the *yawn* off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 So basically thats an open invitation to any troll? Time to start spreading this website around some no so respectable sites. As long as they are insightful, intelligent, not repetitive and have a fucking clue what they are talking about, I welcome anyone, no matter the affiliation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesta Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Two players I submit to you... Anquan Boldin and Randy Moss. Please review their rookie seasons. We don't expect any ONE player to "fix the Giants problems", as you put it... we have brought in numerous players to fill holes, and collectively, with Osi coming back, you will see that the Giants problems are miniscule in comparison to the other teams in the NFL. But since you are an expert, please list the Giants problems as you see them. I agree the giants don't have any glaring problems. But how did Anquan Boldin fix his teams problems? They went 5-11 the year b4 and 4-12 his rookie year. Mediocrity every year after that. The truth is, his team barely got into the playoffs the first time because of improvements on defense and the running game, and we're talking 5 years after he was drafted (along with Fitz). Moss is a decent example, but that's Randy Moss. There's not a Randy Moss in every draft. There's not a Randy Moss in every other draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 I agree the giants don't have any glaring problems. But how did Anquan Boldin fix his teams problems? They went 5-11 the year b4 and 4-12 his rookie year. Mediocrity every year after that. The truth is, his team barely got into the playoffs the first time because of improvements on defense and the running game, and we're talking 5 years after he was drafted (along with Fitz). Moss is a decent example, but that's Randy Moss. There's not a Randy Moss in every draft. There's not a Randy Moss in every other draft. He said that a rookie WR will not fix the Giants problems. I merely noted two WR's who made huge impacts in their rookie years. I have named more in a previous thread discussing rookie WR's. If we had the team that Boldin had when he came in, I would expect us to suck as well. But there's no denying he was a potent weapon year one in the NFL, and that is one of the only things we need on this team when evaluating the roster where you can say something is missing... Even the SAM we have a veteran there who has been starting in Danny Clark, who is capable if not outstanding. Yes we will address the SAM in the draft, probably get another LB for the middle to be Pierce's heir apparent, but to flippantly say that a rookie WR will not fix the Giants problems sounds like we have a lot of holes to fill, which we don't. So getting a rookie WR just MIGHT take us to the next level... if we pick the right one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted March 13, 2009 Author Share Posted March 13, 2009 So Nem, would you be disappointed if we took Britt or Nicks and DHB was available where we pick (I'm expecting a trade up)? I know I won't be disappointed unless they don't go WR at all in the first round... but will still be ok if we get a good one in the second. Absolutely not... I like alot of the WR in the draft. Especially, Britt, Nicks, Robiskie, Bey and Murphy. I think Nicks, Robiskie and Britt can contribute right away. Do I think they will make us SB contenders? No, of course not. But they will help us in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Absolutely not... I like alot of the WR in the draft. Especially, Britt, Nicks, Robiskie, Bey and Murphy. I think Nicks, Robiskie and Britt can contribute right away. Do I think they will make us SB contenders? No, of course not. But they will help us in the near future. Right on, Nem... except I think we already ARE SuperBowl contenders out of the NFC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesta Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 He said that a rookie WR will not fix the Giants problems. I merely noted two WR's who made huge impacts in their rookie years. I have named more in a previous thread discussing rookie WR's. If we had the team that Boldin had when he came in, I would expect us to suck as well. But there's no denying he was a potent weapon year one in the NFL, and that is one of the only things we need on this team when evaluating the roster where you can say something is missing... Even the SAM we have a veteran there who has been starting in Danny Clark, who is capable if not outstanding. Yes we will address the SAM in the draft, probably get another LB for the middle to be Pierce's heir apparent, but to flippantly say that a rookie WR will not fix the Giants problems sounds like we have a lot of holes to fill, which we don't. So getting a rookie WR just MIGHT take us to the next level... if we pick the right one! True. We're much better than they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted March 13, 2009 Author Share Posted March 13, 2009 Right on, Nem... except I think we already ARE SuperBowl contenders out of the NFC! I hate to say it. But, would it be crazy to use our first 2 drafts on WR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFire Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 I hate to say it. But, would it be crazy to use our first 2 drafts on WR? Yes because it would mean we are passing on LBs again. :brooding: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plax 4 Prez Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 I agree the giants don't have any glaring problems. But how did Anquan Boldin fix his teams problems? They went 5-11 the year b4 and 4-12 his rookie year. Mediocrity every year after that. The truth is, his team barely got into the playoffs the first time because of improvements on defense and the running game, and we're talking 5 years after he was drafted (along with Fitz). Moss is a decent example, but that's Randy Moss. There's not a Randy Moss in every draft. There's not a Randy Moss in every other draft. You forgot to mention that everyone in that division sucked and were easy wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 So basically thats an open invitation to any troll? That's my question too. I'm all for increasing membership but not by packing the place with antagonistic attention whores, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Mentioning Heyward-Bey in the same breath as Gholston is enough to worry me. We need football players who catch and can play 16 games. I like the size of Kenny Britt and the big play ability of Hakeem Nicks. Nicks would be my choice if he fell to us in the first round and I would take Britt with our early second round pick but not with first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Heyward-Bey= Tim Carter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Heyward-Bey= Tim Carter i keep thinking the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Heyward-Bey= Tim Carter so ever speedy receiver that we come are we not going to draft because he reminds us of tim carter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 so ever speedy receiver that we come are we not going to draft because he reminds us of tim carter not every speedy receiver reminds me of tim carter this one does though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 Heyward-Bey= Tim Carter How do you figure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 not every speedy receiver reminds me of tim carter this one does though Yep. The words "big, fast, and most glaring of all WORLD CLASS SPRINTER" are the words that scouts said about Tim Carter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 How do you figure? If you thought Ike Hilliard was a bust, you'd love Heyward-Bey then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 If you thought Ike Hilliard was a bust, you'd love Heyward-Bey then. I didn't think Ike was a bust. I know he was a bust. And Heyward-Bey hasn't step one foot on to the field, how do you know he's going to be a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Carr to Heyward-Bey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Ike Hilliard is not a bust, far from it. Say it would have been better had the Giants drafted Toomer in the first and Hilliard in the second. Ike Hilliard didn't have the picture perfect NFL career with pro bowls and healthy seasons but he made plays, moved the chains and was one of the brighter spots on a roster that actually had busts. I didn't think Ike was a bust. I know he was a bust. And Heyward-Bey hasn't step one foot on to the field, how do you know he's going to be a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Ike Hilliard is not a bust, far from it. Say it would have been better had the Giants drafted Toomer in the first and Hilliard in the second. Ike Hilliard didn't have the picture perfect NFL career with pro bowls and healthy seasons but he made plays, moved the chains and was one of the brighter spots on a roster that actually had busts. Agreed. A bust is someone like Ryan Leaf, Ki Jana Carter, etc. Ike was far from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 Ike Hilliard is not a bust, far from it. Say it would have been better had the Giants drafted Toomer in the first and Hilliard in the second. Ike Hilliard didn't have the picture perfect NFL career with pro bowls and healthy seasons but he made plays, moved the chains and was one of the brighter spots on a roster that actually had busts. Well, that should tell you how bad the Giants were back then if Ike was a 'bright spot'. Why do people always say Ike 'moved the chains' or was a '3rd down machine'? The Giants at that time was one of the worse teams in 3rd down conversion, if not the worse. Ike had horrible, horrible hands. In one of his IR injuries years (I can't remember which one because he had so many) he lead the league in drop balls. Saying it would have been better if the Giants drafted Ike in second is admitting Ike was a bust. Let me ask you a question... If you had to it all over again, would you have drafted hilliard 7th overall? If your anwser is no, then he's a bust. If your answer is yes. Then you need glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Ike Hilliard is not a bust, far from it. Say it would have been better had the Giants drafted Toomer in the first and Hilliard in the second. Ike Hilliard didn't have the picture perfect NFL career with pro bowls and healthy seasons but he made plays, moved the chains and was one of the brighter spots on a roster that actually had busts. Dude..don't even start with him.....it's not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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