fringe Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 well one team is still in the playoffs and is the defending champ.... the other just improved to 5-11..... so.... it seems a safe bet that my analysis of the players in question leans towards accurate. The thing about the Eagles is, that is a deep team. I don't think the top end starters on offense, aside from Ertz, are anything special. But there's a lot of 'em. Thank you Sybil, can we hear from your next multiple personality now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 well one team is still in the playoffs and is the defending champ.... the other just improved to 5-11..... so.... it seems a safe bet that my analysis of the players in question leans towards accurate. The thing about the Eagles is, that is a deep team. I don't think the top end starters on offense, aside from Ertz, are anything special. But there's a lot of 'em. Hey watch it, bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Thank you Sybil, can we hear from your next multiple personality now? well, I am usually the homer, so I guess I resemble that remark! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Looks like Tuas five yard dumbs didn't work this week Thats my only problem with Tua. Watching him play he's surrounded by NFL starters, literally from the Oline to skill positions all of them are going to be in the NFL. He didn't have to do much besides just getting the ball into the hands of his play makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Also, we can't rely on and presume to be in a position to draft Tua, Herbert, and Frohm next year, on top of the fact that each of them might not turn out to be the blue chip QBs as currently hyped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 well one team is still in the playoffs and is the defending champ.... the other just improved to 5-11..... so.... it seems a safe bet that my analysis of the players in question leans towards accurate. The thing about the Eagles is, that is a deep team. I don't think the top end starters on offense, aside from Ertz, are anything special. But there's a lot of 'em. They cant all play at once though. In an 11 personnel set id rather have our guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I wouldn't. Not without an upgrade at like three OL positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Thats my only problem with Tua. Watching him play he's surrounded by NFL starters, literally from the Oline to skill positions all of them are going to be in the NFL. He didn't have to do much besides just getting the ball into the hands of his play makers. It's a huge problem though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I wouldn't. Not without an upgrade at like three OL positions. Thats not relevant to a discussion about weapons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Thats not relevant to a discussion about weapons that is football blasphemy! most important position group = Offensive Line Orlando Pace was a fucking weapon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 By the way, all-pro Quentin Nelson is amazing https://twitter.com/dylanadesimone/status/1081695438124675072?s=21 "Holding... #71 offense..." Oh wait I thought those were Giants highlights. In that case, great pancake block! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 that is football blasphemy! most important position group = Offensive Line Orlando Pace was a fucking weapon! We already established Philly's OL is superior... which is why they're in the playoffs and we are not. The discussion has been about skill players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 We already established Philly's OL is superior... which is why they're in the playoffs and we are not. The discussion has been about skill players. and what is the point of that? Its not the skill positions against the defense, its the entire offense against the defense. And really the discussion is about how to move on from Eli. And I think that's a painful question with an easy answer.... you move on from Eli by stacking the roster with better players. Our issue isn't the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 and what is the point of that? Its not the skill positions against the defense, its the entire offense against the defense. And really the discussion is about how to move on from Eli. And I think that's a painful question with an easy answer.... you move on from Eli by stacking the roster with better players. Our issue isn't the QB. That kind of thinking is not popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 It's funny people talking about PFF grade. The highest graded players this year for the Giants; 1. WR Odell Beckham Jr - 90.0 2. DE Olivier Vernon - 86.3 3. RB Saquon Barkley - 85.9 4. DI Dalvin Tomlinson - 78.9 5. T Nate Solder - 74.2 Guess he earned his contract this year, despite what people are saying about him here. I said he is capable. My problem is the half the defense I noted which isn't starting capable, along with depth, especially the secondary. Funny that Landon Collins isn't even on the top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 That kind of thinking is not popular. no it is not. I don't think I'm lying to myself, I think I know Eli is probably at best an average QB at this point in his career.... but its still a hell of a lot easier to upgrade almost every other position than it is to find another QB on Eli's level or better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 and what is the point of that? Its not the skill positions against the defense, its the entire offense against the defense. And really the discussion is about how to move on from Eli. And I think that's a painful question with an easy answer.... you move on from Eli by stacking the roster with better players. Our issue isn't the QB. The point is one of three that bg brought up for why foles cant succeed here. O-line would be a good point to argue. I dont agree that skill position players are. It doesnt even matter if phillys are better or not, he said we dont have weapons period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 fair enough, but that wasn't really my interpretation of his comments. Obviously the Giants have weapons, arguably the two very best singular talents in the NFL. But I agree with BG's point that the OL and the comparative depth and quality of Philly's weapons make it doubtful that Foles could recreate his success in NY. Aside from Beckham and Barkley, I can't think of a single offensive player on the Giants that would start in Philly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 and what is the point of that? Its not the skill positions against the defense, its the entire offense against the defense. And really the discussion is about how to move on from Eli. And I think that's a painful question with an easy answer.... you move on from Eli by stacking the roster with better players. Our issue isn't the QB. The point is that this is what BG was arguing... that they have the better skill players... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 don't they? I like our RBs better, but that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 don't they? I like our RBs better, but that's it. I like our RB, 1WR, and 2WR better... and some would probably be a tie anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Our skill players would be significantly better with a decent offensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Our skill players would be significantly better with a decent offensive line. Zackly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 no it is not. I don't think I'm lying to myself, I think I know Eli is probably at best an average QB at this point in his career.... but its still a hell of a lot easier to upgrade almost every other position than it is to find another QB on Eli's level or better. People have thought Eli Manning to be average his entire career. I know if the Giants put an offensive line in front of him and a defense behind him, we can win a lot of games next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I said he is capable. My problem is the half the defense I noted which isn't starting capable, along with depth, especially the secondary. Funny that Landon Collins isn't even on the top 5. I'm Collins biggest critic on here I think, but I mean the kid can make tackles. The problem is EVERY strong safety in the NFL is now expected to make tackles and they usually end up leading if not coming in second for tackles for their squad. The problem I have with Collins, he was once a complete safety, he could play the pass and run really well. But for some reason, maybe just the defensive scheming, he's turned into a LB who can't cover any starting TE in the NFL (but what else is new with the Giants defence) I just want to see the safety we need for this defence, in this 3-4 you need a safety you can play sideline to sidelines in both the pass and run. I wanted Collins to be that guy, so far he is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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