JackStroud Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Lets give JPP a bit of a break here the guy was playing on a seriously repaired knee to begin with.....if Coughlin knew this he should never have left this guy in meaningless games This time they will likely have to use cadaver tendons to repair it and that does not work nearly as well as harvested from your own leg I'm afraid TT may be History......Cruel business This is what I liked about Tiki......his Legs were built of Iron, and he had the strongest leg lift on the team. I am practically certain Tiki will be joining the Eagles or Cowboys any day now to torture us all year long ....more likely the Eagles.........Andy Reid loves to stick it to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Has anyone blamed JPP at all? He was going to the ground, it totally wasn't his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 He is in a contract year, so is Ross. This is why they took Amukamara. I think T2 goes the way of Steve Smith, Reese won't resign a guy that has a career threatening injury. The Giants will not be any better against the cap, next year. They will be looking for CB's in next years draft has well, and possible in free agency. Manningham will/should be the key signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 yeah where was anyone here blaming jpp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted August 27, 2011 Author Share Posted August 27, 2011 Some people were saying we should keep our own players away from him......hes capable of injuring anyone on the field......the guy is a freak of nature I would not wan to get leg whipped by JPP Blame him no........steer clear of him in motion.......absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Some people were saying we should keep our own players away from him......hes capable of injuring anyone on the field......the guy is a freak of nature I would not wan to get leg whipped by JPP Blame him no........steer clear of him in motion.......absolutely show us where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Some people were saying we should keep our own players away from him......hes capable of injuring anyone on the field......the guy is a freak of nature I would not wan to get leg whipped by JPP Blame him no........steer clear of him in motion.......absolutely Honestly during the draft I was (one of) the most critical on this board about the JPP pick and I know for a fact no one has ever said this about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*SDMF* Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 He is in a contract year, so is Ross. This is why they took Amukamara. I think T2 goes the way of Steve Smith, Reese won't resign a guy that has a career threatening injury. The Giants will not be any better against the cap, next year. They will be looking for CB's in next years draft has well, and possible in free agency. Manningham will/should be the key signing. a torn acl is not career ending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 a torn acl is not career ending When you've had it twice in the same knee, it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Turns out?!? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 He is in a contract year, so is Ross. This is why they took Amukamara. I think T2 goes the way of Steve Smith, Reese won't resign a guy that has a career threatening injury. The Giants will not be any better against the cap, next year. They will be looking for CB's in next years draft has well, and possible in free agency. Manningham will/should be the key signing. Get a life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Some people were saying we should keep our own players away from him......hes capable of injuring anyone on the field......the guy is a freak of nature I would not wan to get leg whipped by JPP Blame him no........steer clear of him in motion.......absolutely Jack, You have an amazing ability at stating the obvious but making completely sound authentic and new. Although I don't know who has accused JPP of anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted August 28, 2011 Author Share Posted August 28, 2011 Jack, You have an amazing ability at stating the obvious but making completely sound authentic and new. Although I don't know who has accused JPP of anything... honestly I never knew the guy had the same ACL torn and repaired in college frankly knowing this I would never have drafted him........few return from two severed ACLs in the same knee Kudos to TT if he can do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 a torn acl is not career ending it has been before. Osi is still having trouble with his knee he hurt three years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 honestly I never knew the guy had the same ACL torn and repaired in college frankly knowing this I would never have drafted him........few return from two severed ACLs in the same knee Kudos to TT if he can do it LOL. Dude, there's been discussion about this very topic several times on this board, already....I don't mind that you made a thread at all, it's just....I'm just simply amazed you haven't seen anything about this exact same topic before..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 honestly I never knew the guy had the same ACL torn and repaired in college frankly knowing this I would never have drafted him........few return from two severed ACLs in the same knee Kudos to TT if he can do it For all intents and purposes he's done. To bad for him so I hope he has saved most of what he made so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgutmartyr Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Turns out?!? LOL For shame, Storm, for shame... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Lets give JPP a bit of a break here the guy was playing on a seriously repaired knee to begin with.....if Coughlin knew this he should never have left this guy in meaningless games This time they will likely have to use cadaver tendons to repair it and that does not work nearly as well as harvested from your own leg I'm afraid TT may be History......Cruel business This is what I liked about Tiki......his Legs were built of Iron, and he had the strongest leg lift on the team. I am practically certain Tiki will be joining the Eagles or Cowboys any day now to torture us all year long ....more likely the Eagles.........Andy Reid loves to stick it to us Word out of Philly is that Reid just signed up all the free agent cadaver tendons. Motherfucker just stuck it to us again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted August 28, 2011 Author Share Posted August 28, 2011 LOL. Dude, there's been discussion about this very topic several times on this board, already....I don't mind that you made a thread at all, it's just....I'm just simply amazed you haven't seen anything about this exact same topic before..... probably wont be the last time you become amazed in your life I'd say take a deep breath........ move forward.......this too will pass Sorry this upset you so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 honestly I never knew the guy had the same ACL torn and repaired in college frankly knowing this I would never have drafted him........few return from two severed ACLs in the same knee Kudos to TT if he can do it Why do you think he dropped to the 2nd round? For that matter, how do you think we got Tuck in the 3rd? Both had 1st round talent. Both had reconstructed ACLs. GM JackStroud never would have drafted Justin Tuck. Good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 For reference, here's the article Pdub posted 5 days ago: Doctor Says Recovery For Giants' Thomas Isn't Sure Thing Terrell Thomas faces a more arduous journey back to playing high-level cornerback for the Giants than most torn ACL patients because his is a repeat injury in his right knee. Thomas first tore his right anterior cruciate ligament in 2005 while playing for USC. "Revision surgery is notoriously less successful," Dr. Jonathan Glashow, an orthopedic surgeon and co-chief of Sports Medicine at Mt. Sinai Medical Center, told The Post yesterday. Although a torn ACL is a major injury, it is fairly common and the success rate for a complete recovery is extremely high. "The success rate isn't what it's said to be: 100 percent," Glashow said. "It's probably about 85-88 percent and it's probably about 75 percent with a revision. Revisions clearly do not do as well." The difficulty Thomas faces is that he will have fewer options for how to best repair the damage caused when teammate Jason Pierre-Paul collided with him as the two were pursuing Bears quarterback Jay Cutler on a play late in the first half of Monday night's preseason game. "The ACL that's in there, people think we actually fix; we don't," Dr. Glashow said. "You get a new piece of tissue." Where that tissue comes from is the issue. Typically, new tissue is harvested from the patella tendon, the quad tendon or the hamstring tendon in the same leg as the damaged ACL. A piece of tissue is taken to make a graft that replaces the original ACL. Dr. Glashow said the next step is to employ an allograft, a graft that uses tissue from another human body, which in this case would be a cadaver. "The problem with a cadaver tissue is it takes much longer to heal and we don't like players playing before a year to 18 months when you take a cadaver," Dr. Glashow said. "You're probably not going to use an allograft unless the player really wants it. I've done them, not wanting to, in professional athletes, and they've gone back. I have people playing in the NFL with cadaver graft in them. It's not a first choice. "The other option is to steal it from the other knee. If it's his right knee and his left knee is healthy you can take the patellar tendon from the other knee." Dr. Glashow has not examined Thomas and does not know which procedure was used in 2005 to reconstruct Thomas' right knee. "Unfortunately it's not so uncommon," Dr. Glashow said of repeat ACL tears. "The problem is if he's already taken his patella tendon, do you really want to weaken his front muscle more by taking his quad tendon on the same leg? You take some risks then. It's a double-edged sword. In some ways you're robbing Peter to pay Paul." Dr. Glashow also cautioned that other injuries in the knee that may have occurred in conjunction with the ACL tear -- such as damage to the meniscus or articular cartilage -- can affect the outcome of the surgery. "If that's been affected one has to fix that as well with microfracture or some kind of cartilage transplant technique," he explained. The prognosis remains that Thomas can make it back for the 2012 season, but the repeat injury is troubling. "It's not the same thing as having a virgin tear of your ACL," Dr. Glashow said. "The odds of coming back are not as successful." http://www.nypost.co...DRIAMIj9xliqDeJ So he's not done for sure but his chances are lower and the recovery time longer. I wonder if using a donor tendon means they need to go through rounds of anti-rejection drugs like for other transplants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 75% is still pretty decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted August 28, 2011 Author Share Posted August 28, 2011 Did not know Tuck had a torn ACL in College Thats interesting........but Tuck did not get inadvertently get leg whipped by our resident Mutant Ninja Express Train.....or he had a better surgeon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 For reference, here's the article Pdub posted 5 days ago: So he's not done for sure but his chances are lower and the recovery time longer. I wonder if using a donor tendon means they need to go through rounds of anti-rejection drugs like for other transplants? I think cartilage and tendon tissue is less reactive to the bodies immune system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 probably wont be the last time you become amazed in your life I'd say take a deep breath........ move forward.......this too will pass Sorry this upset you so much It made me laugh hysterically that you have just found out that before we even drafted him, it "turns out" Terrell Thomas had torn his ACL in the same knee during college. Something I'm sure everyone else here has known since like 07. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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