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Leonard Williams now highest paid player on the Giants.

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16.126 million this year alone.

16 million..... 0.5 sacks, 26 tackles in 8 games.

He might not even play a down this year lol

 

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I saw something the other day that said half our cap is tied up in Williams, Solder, Bradbury, and Martinez. 

If that's not a championship roster I don't know what is. 

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On 7/17/2020 at 8:02 AM, Sephiroth said:

I saw something the other day that said half our cap is tied up in Williams, Solder, Bradbury, and Martinez. 

If that's not a championship roster I don't know what is. 

Temporarily tied up for the next two years, we'll overlook Zeitler is the second highest paid player behind Williams.  Hopefully with Williams not getting a long term deal we have an opportunity to avoid a long term horrible decision.  :praying:

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What a waist of a 3rd round draft pick...

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11 hours ago, NeMesiS said:

What a waist of a 3rd round draft pick...

Josh Jones, a projected 1st rounder, would have looked pretty fucking good in blue. 

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On 7/17/2020 at 8:02 AM, Sephiroth said:

I saw something the other day that said half our cap is tied up in Williams, Solder, Bradbury, and Martinez. 

If that's not a championship roster I don't know what is. 

I still don't understand the Martinez signing.

He's honestly one of the most over rated LBs in all of the NFL.

He's a liability in coverage, he's a liability in the run defense, the defense is worse because he will be on the field.

And they gave him a 30 million dollar deal lol

The dude is awful and I can't wait to just see how awful he's going to be.

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10 hours ago, BlueInCanada said:

I still don't understand the Martinez signing.

He's honestly one of the most over rated LBs in all of the NFL.

He's a liability in coverage, he's a liability in the run defense, the defense is worse because he will be on the field.

And they gave him a 30 million dollar deal lol

The dude is awful and I can't wait to just see how awful he's going to be.

I wouldnt say he is AWFUL. He is neither and upgrade nor a downgrade. Probably more like maintaining the status quo and doing something for the sake of it. Its a 30 mill contract yes - but I doubt it vastly improves our defense. Hell, we have had players who under performed here move on and make a name for themselves (Linval etc). Lets hope a new system, new coach can make him more effective. Plus facing Saquon in practice should improve everyone's run defense.

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On 7/19/2020 at 10:45 PM, Sephiroth said:

Josh Jones, a projected 1st rounder, would have looked pretty fucking good in blue. 

Yeah... that dude looks like a beast. Would have love seeing him in a Giants Uni. 

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Gettlemen may draft well in some instances, but he has still failed to put together a complete roster, especially on the offensive line. His free agency and non-draft moves (i.e. trades) have been atrocious thus far, overall. The only FA moves I can think of which you can say worked out well so far are Kevin Zeitler and Markus Golden, with the jury still out on Golden Tate.

If the giants have another 10 loss or more season, you have to fire Gettlemen, especially after the Leonard Williams debacle which is just gross incompetence, and especially after we once again, for the fifth year in a row, still don't have a competent offensive line; Pulley and Solder are penciled in as a our starters, but are no better than backups at best, while Hernandez is fledgling on bust status.

It don't think it's too much of a standard to hold you GM to...3 years to produce 7 wins or more in a season. If they can't by their third season, you have to fire them. 90% of the current roster is Gettlemen's.

 

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Getty got a pass this year simply because of Jones.

He won't have that luxury this offseason if this is only a four win team.

 

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3 minutes ago, BlueInCanada said:

Getty got a pass this year simply because of Jones.

He won't have that luxury this offseason if this is only a four win team.

 

Nor 6 wins. I don't accept anything less than 7 wins after three years, especially considering the defense and OL are on pace to be putrid.

We have the same problems we had 3 years ago.

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27 minutes ago, mastershake said:

Nor 6 wins. I don't accept anything less than 7 wins after three years, especially considering the defense and OL are on pace to be putrid.

We have the same problems we had 3 years ago.

I don't expect more than five with the new coaching staff.

It's a new offence it's a new defense it's a new special teams.

We might not even have the right personal anymore on this team.

We may be looking at another rebuild after Getty honestly.

 

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And I don't mean a rebuild like what Getty did with an entire roster turn over but Garrett likes a big mailing Online which we don't have thus far but Thomas and Peart are good starting points, not to mention he likes straight line speed WRs and so far only Slayton fits the bill if last year wasn't a fluke.

And Graham values a highly athletic LB core and a traditional 4 man front which we are still trying to see what we even have in the LB and edge rusher positions.

We are in for a couple more years of losing with a new coaching staff and a roster with more prove it players than solid ones.

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On 7/19/2020 at 12:07 PM, NeMesiS said:

 

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The team is getting a pass this year due to COVID, if there even is a season. 

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1 hour ago, Sephiroth said:

The team is getting a pass this year due to COVID, if there even is a season. 

Every team has to deal with COVID. Why are the giants special? If the offensive line and defense sucks, it's on Getty.

Does Blake Martinez and Leonard Williams need the giants offseason program to really turn it on?

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2 hours ago, mastershake said:

Every team has to deal with COVID. Why are the giants special? If the offensive line and defense sucks, it's on Getty.

Does Blake Martinez and Leonard Williams need the giants offseason program to really turn it on?

There is an entirely new staff that has yet to meet its players. Yes, COVID isn't an excuse against the Washingtons and Dallases of the schedule, but it's going to be a huge deal vs. the Pittsburghs and Baltimores that have had the same staff and 80% of the same roster. 

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55 minutes ago, Sephiroth said:

There is an entirely new staff that has yet to meet its players. Yes, COVID isn't an excuse against the Washingtons and Dallases of the schedule, but it's going to be a huge deal vs. the Pittsburghs and Baltimores that have had the same staff and 80% of the same roster. 

Fair point. 

I just hate the idea of giving Gettlemen a mulligan for the season. I think the OL and defense be will be painful to watch.

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19 hours ago, BlueInCanada said:

And I don't mean a rebuild like what Getty did with an entire roster turn over but Garrett likes a big mailing Online which we don't have thus far but Thomas and Peart are good starting points, not to mention he likes straight line speed WRs and so far only Slayton fits the bill if last year wasn't a fluke.

And Graham values a highly athletic LB core and a traditional 4 man front which we are still trying to see what we even have in the LB and edge rusher positions.

We are in for a couple more years of losing with a new coaching staff and a roster with more prove it players than solid ones.


 

Everything I’ve read seems to indicate a 3-4 base. 

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heh, I liked Graham's answer to the question of would it be a 3-4 vs. 4-3

"yes"

but the personnel screams three down linemen

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But given how today’s nfl is, we will only be in the base defense a fraction of the time. 

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1 hour ago, CrazedDogs said:

heh, I liked Graham's answer to the question of would it be a 3-4 vs. 4-3

"yes"

but the personnel screams three down linemen

He ran a traditional 4 man front in Miami is all in getting at, he had two DTs, a pass rusher and a tweener DE/OLB.

He never used a zero tech DT or those big big molly DEs you need in a traditional 3-4, who have the arm length and size advantage over OTs.

We really don't even have the personal for it since Bettcher ran some bastardized version of it where he wanted the DEs to be smaller which defeats the whole purpose of a 3-4 defense. The DEs and Nose are supposed to take up double teams to free up the LBs.

Instead we had Golden and Williams get constantly isolated and chopped allowing the guards and centers to get into the second level.

 

 

 

 

 

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I envision a base of something like:

 

Dexter-Tomlinson-Leonard Williams

Golden-Martinez-Connelly-Fackrell/Carter/Ximines(whoever wins out)

 

Beal-Peppers-McKinley-Bradberry. 
 

 

A 4-3 base would you put Leonard at an end?  I don’t see him as a 4-3 de.  And how are the linebackers playing out in a 4-3?  Move Connelly to one of the olb spots and then who is the other one?   

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30 minutes ago, Pdouble said:

I envision a base of something like:

 

Dexter-Tomlinson-Leonard Williams

Golden-Martinez-Connelly-Fackrell/Carter/Ximines(whoever wins out)

 

Beal-Peppers-McKinley-Bradberry. 
 

 

A 4-3 base would you put Leonard at an end?  I don’t see him as a 4-3 de.  And how are the linebackers playing out in a 4-3?  Move Connelly to one of the olb spots and then who is the other one?   

Williams played nothing but DE with us last year is what I mean.

He's not a 3-4 DE he isn't big enough or got the arm length to keep double teams off of him.

I see the defense as this.

Golden/Fackrel as the 7 tech on the outside shoulder of the RT.

Tomlinson as the 2 tech lined up over the strong side guard since he's the best run defender on the team.

Lawrence as the 3 tech since he can push the pocket.

Williams lines up as the 6 tech lined up over the OT to isolate himself and the rushing OLB.

The LBs are Carter/Fackrell at OLB/pass rusher specialist. Martinez at MLB (probably benched at same point), SAM will be Mayo or even Connelly since they are both downhill LBs.

Pass rush packages would see Tomlinson removed and Williams kicked inside to have Fackrell line up on the outside edge and get Ximines or Carter behind them.

The secondary will be like you said Baker/Bellantine /Beal as the #2 CB. Peppers and McKiney as the safeties and Bradbury as the #1.

Love and Homes as the nickel corners and swing players in the secondary.

Right now we have a youth movement at LB so you let everyone fight it out for the starting roles.

I think Cam Brown eventually replaces Carter and Connelly finds a home at SAM.

You let Ximines/Carter/Brown fight it out for the OLB and pass rusher specialist role or make some packages ho that get all of them involved in the blitz game.

We have a lot of prove it players in the front 7 you see who is going to be your future this year and who's not.

My hope is the eventual starters of the future are:

Fackrell/Tomlinson/Lawrence/Ximines at Dline.

Brown/Draft pick or FA MLB/Connelly at LB.

Bradbury/Love/McKinney/Bellantine or Beal in the secondary with Holmes as the nickle.

 

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