JMFP Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Head coach of the NY Giants.....had Lombardi running the offense, Landry running the defense. Guys like that don't grow on trees.....but that's what the ideal should be on this team, and they are nowhere near it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 You don't have to go back that far....Tuna had Coughlin, Bellicek, Peyton....we got Coughlin...it worked out. C. Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 You don't have to go back that far....Tuna had Coughlin, Bellicek, Peyton....we got Coughlin...it worked out. C. Wagon You just made me think of something. Coughlin has little legacy to speak of. Wow, it's worse than I thought: Dom Capers, Houston Texans (2002–2005) Kevin Gilbride, San Diego Chargers (1997–1998) Dick Jauron, Chicago Bears (1999–2003), Buffalo Bills (2006–2009) Lane Kiffin, Oakland Raiders (2007–2008) Bobby Petrino, Atlanta Falcons (2007) Tony Sparano, Miami Dolphins (2008-2011) Steve Spagnuolo, St. Louis Rams (2009–2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 You just made me think of something. Coughlin has little legacy to speak of. Wow, it's worse than I thought: Dom Capers, Houston Texans (2002–2005) Kevin Gilbride, San Diego Chargers (1997–1998) Dick Jauron, Chicago Bears (1999–2003), Buffalo Bills (2006–2009) Lane Kiffin, Oakland Raiders (2007–2008) Bobby Petrino, Atlanta Falcons (2007) Tony Sparano, Miami Dolphins (2008-2011) Steve Spagnuolo, St. Louis Rams (2009–2011 Holy shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 You just made me think of something. Coughlin has little legacy to speak of. Wow, it's worse than I thought: Dom Capers, Houston Texans (2002–2005) Kevin Gilbride, San Diego Chargers (1997–1998) Dick Jauron, Chicago Bears (1999–2003), Buffalo Bills (2006–2009) Lane Kiffin, Oakland Raiders (2007–2008) Bobby Petrino, Atlanta Falcons (2007) Tony Sparano, Miami Dolphins (2008-2011) Steve Spagnuolo, St. Louis Rams (2009–2011 That is one fine coaching tree...damn. C. Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 That is one fine coaching tree...damn. C. Wagon What I read into this is he's not a teacher or trainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 What I read into this is he's not a teacher or trainer. No, he's a control freak. These guys didn't learn how to manage a team while under him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 No, he's a control freak. These guys didn't learn how to manage a team while under him. Perhaps LT knows something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 No, he's a control freak. These guys didn't learn how to manage a team while under him. Yep I've never liked his style... Stale old fashioned and demoralizing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 You just made me think of something. Coughlin has little legacy to speak of. Wow, it's worse than I thought: Dom Capers, Houston Texans (2002–2005) Kevin Gilbride, San Diego Chargers (1997–1998) Dick Jauron, Chicago Bears (1999–2003), Buffalo Bills (2006–2009) Lane Kiffin, Oakland Raiders (2007–2008) Bobby Petrino, Atlanta Falcons (2007) Tony Sparano, Miami Dolphins (2008-2011) Steve Spagnuolo, St. Louis Rams (2009–2011 So how exactly does this coaching tree work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 You just made me think of something. Coughlin has little legacy to speak of. Wow, it's worse than I thought: Dom Capers, Houston Texans (2002–2005) Kevin Gilbride, San Diego Chargers (1997–1998) Dick Jauron, Chicago Bears (1999–2003), Buffalo Bills (2006–2009) Lane Kiffin, Oakland Raiders (2007–2008) Bobby Petrino, Atlanta Falcons (2007) Tony Sparano, Miami Dolphins (2008-2011) Steve Spagnuolo, St. Louis Rams (2009–2011 There's some guy named Bill Belichick that has a really shitty one, too. Josh Mc Daniels, Charlie Weis, Eric Mangini, Romeo Crennel... I'd take Coughlin's guys over those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Vince's grandson is the QB coach of the Saints, he's worth a look for new OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 The other thing too is it's really difficult these days to have a "coaching tree" with the amount of assistants that move around. Does Spags belong to the Coughlin tree or the Jim Johnson/Andy Reid tree? Does Sean Payton belong to Fassel (along with maybe John Fox) or is he part of the Bill Parcells tree? Who do you put Norv Turner under? Dude has been a coordinator for like 10 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 The other thing too is it's really difficult these days to have a "coaching tree" with the amount of assistants that move around. Does Spags belong to the Coughlin tree or the Jim Johnson/Andy Reid tree? Does Sean Payton belong to Fassel (along with maybe John Fox) or is he part of the Bill Parcells tree? Who do you put Norv Turner under? Dude has been a coordinator for like 10 teams. With all the jumping around, you'd think he'd hit on 1 or 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 What I read into this is he's not a teacher or trainer. No, he's a control freak. These guys didn't learn how to manage a team while under him. Perhaps LT knows something. Yep I've never liked his style... Stale old fashioned and demoralizing. This squared... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Name me a "players coach" that won a Superbowl. Just one. Please. Just one. Get back to me. Coughlin is a control freak? This is a guy who was FORCED to fire John Hufnagle. That doesn't sound like a control freak to me. I guess some of you guys would rather have Jim fucking Fassel coach this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Name me a "players coach" that won a Superbowl. Just one. Please. Just one. Get back to me. Coughlin is a control freak? This is a guy who was FORCED to fire John Hufnagle. That doesn't sound like a control freak to me. I guess some of you guys would rather have Jim fucking Fassel coach this team. I'd just like a coach that could prepare a team to play a full season of competitive football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I always ask LT for his opinion so I can do the opposite and be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I'd just like a coach that could prepare a team to play a full season of competitive football. Damn, I'd first like to see them prepared for one game! A cohesive, logical gameplan would be a good start.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Name me a "players coach" that won a Superbowl. Just one. Please. Just one. Get back to me. Coughlin is a control freak? This is a guy who was FORCED to fire John Hufnagle. That doesn't sound like a control freak to me. I guess some of you guys would rather have Jim fucking Fassel coach this team. Dude I'm not sure you can use that as a measure... my grandmother would have told him to fire that fuck... it's either that or he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK-Giantsfan Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 There is nothing fundamentally wrong with the coaching / coordinating skills of TC or Gilly ......they have just both become old , tired , stale and unimaginative in conjunction with an O line that fell apart because JR fucked up and failed to invest in it. Both TC and Gilly have nothing to prove ....they have 2 Lombardis together ....they will probably look after each other and both go at the end of next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 There is nothing fundamentally wrong with the coaching / coordinating skills of TC or Gilly ......they have just both become old , tired , stale and unimaginative in conjunction with an O line that fell apart because JR fucked up and failed to invest in it. Both TC and Gilly have nothing to prove ....they have 2 Lombardis together ....they will probably look after each other and both go at the end of next season. Can Reese really be blamed for that? It's the coaches who work with the players and give feedback to Reese on how the roster is shaping up. We don't know what weight the coaches and front office have in determining that. It could be that TC and Gilly convinced Reese the OLine was going to be good, and to sign Beatty to a long term deal. We have no idea. Just like we don't really know what weight TC's opinion is given on draft day, though I suspect it's a lot more than some want to admit, given the BC fetish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Can Reese really be blamed for that? It's the coaches who work with the players and give feedback to Reese on how the roster is shaping up. We don't know what weight the coaches and front office have in determining that. It could be that TC and Gilly convinced Reese the OLine was going to be good, and to sign Beatty to a long term deal. We have no idea. Just like we don't really know what weight TC's opinion is given on draft day, though I suspect it's a lot more than some want to admit, given the BC fetish. This...and it wouldn't be a bad thing if they were still a real football powerhouse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Can Reese really be blamed for that? It's the coaches who work with the players and give feedback to Reese on how the roster is shaping up. We don't know what weight the coaches and front office have in determining that. It could be that TC and Gilly convinced Reese the OLine was going to be good, and to sign Beatty to a long term deal. We have no idea. Just like we don't really know what weight TC's opinion is given on draft day, though I suspect it's a lot more than some want to admit, given the BC fetish. The thing is I don't think Reese and Coughlin ever talk to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 The thing is I don't think Reese and Coughlin ever talk to each other. This... remember it was Reese's Pieces even under Acorsi who was the main guy evaluating talent... I don't think he lost any of that once becoming GM...what is obvious as others have mentioned is that Reese picks up and drafts guys for certain styles, techniques and positions while Cheerleader prefers his own... You can see it... some young break trough talent that is a Peanut Butter Cup pick rides the pine while Cheerleader Plays a broken down vet or favorite mistake prone rookie. You see it time and time again. I think the best possible scenario would be to make Cheerleader the Deputy GM and like the U.S. Vice President...make him as relevant as a bucket of spit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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