Nas Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Manti Te'o would be so frickin' awesome on our team... too bad he's going in the top 10 picks, almost assuredly. There's other ILB we could get, Alec Ogletree is beast and I think he may be a better pro then Te'o Uh oh... let the battle of the football nerds begin Fish, report to duty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 VG, I think JPP could still play DE in a 3-4, actually. And I'd prefer him there. I think he could be like JJ Watt in Houston's 3-4. Eh, differentce of opinion I guess. What I want in a 3-4 de is a smaller DT. Hell even a full size DT. A guy that can hold his ground when double teamed and plays the run. Put at the athletic guys at olb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I think while some of our players Could play in 3-4, it wouldn't be utilizing them fully. I'm against such a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I think while some of our players Could play in 3-4, it wouldn't be utilizing them fully. I'm against such a move. This...the era of the sideline to sideline LB as the prototype is gone. In the 80's everyone ran a variant of the 3/4. Then when the athletic DE's started to emerge in the early 90's everyone switched to the 4/3. The 3/4 was yesteryear's answer to the West Coast Offense and the Two Back Set...RB and HB out of the backfield for the swing pass. I think a 4-2-3-2...with an extra safety is the more viable option these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Haha...I think they are both dead. Oh fuck...my Old Man was heavy into the WWF...I just remembered Ice's reference... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Hey guys, Boley said the reason he was not getting in there last week was the Giants were running the 3-4 most of the game so WTF are you talking about???? Do you count noses much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Hey guys, Boley said the reason he was not getting in there last week was the Giants were running the 3-4 most of the game so WTF are you talking about???? Do you count noses much? Link? Oh let me provide me one http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/boley-time-snap-article-1.1227968 injuries are apparently keeping Michael Boley off the field. For years, Michael Boley has been a mainstay on the Giants’ defense, one of their most reliable linebackers. But on Sunday, he saw a steep decrease in snaps. And on Wednesday, he admitted that the decline in playing time left him “a little bit” frustrated. “A little bit,” he said. “But coaches make the decision, we’re just employees. . . . That’s what they felt like going with, so, you know, you play it.” “I was surprised. But then again, it’s not my call.” Throughout last season, Boley rarely left the field, serving as a key leader for the ‘D’. But against Baltimore, he played only 25% of the defensive snaps, despite the fact that the Giants often used four linebackers at once. On Monday, Tom Coughlin had called Boley’s reduction in playing time “a cumulative health thing,” hinting that the back, hip and hamstring issues the linebacker dealt with all season had compromised his ability. Boley said Wednesday that those issues “could have” been a factor, and he admitted that 2012 has not been “how I would like it to be.” But he added that he’s “still here, still playing,” and that he felt he could have been effective on Sunday, especially since “at this time of year, nobody is 100%.” “I could have played more, I think so,” Boley said. “It’s water under the bridge now." Daily News Pix Giants GIANTS Own a piece of Big Blue history with an iconic Daily News photo of the New York Giants.See More Here » Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/boley-time-snap-article-1.1227968#ixzz2GIOOjh3W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I'd love to see Crennel here, and he's got some serious Giants roots. As far as a 3-4, Canty was a 3-4 DE already, and JPP has the strength to excel there as well. The problem is our linebackers are already the weak link of the D, and without some serious retooling there we'd be cutting off our nose to spite our face. Kiwi could probably be a decent LB but we don't have a thumper MLB or a speed guy to put next to him. I'd be a tough sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 why dont they move Kiwauka back to the line and use Tuck as a situational LBer........remember the time Tuck chased down Tomlinson from behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Link? Oh let me provide me one http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1227968 yeah, they ran a 4-4 quite a bit, not a 3-4. and to back that up: Defensively, tackling is a problem again and the pass rush has been non-existent as the Giants went to a 4-4-3 package for the majority of the game. http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2012/12/giants_vs_ravens_live_coverage.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steitzenhaus Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 As far as a 3-4, Canty was a 3-4 DE already, and JPP has the strength to excel there as well. The problem is our linebackers are already the weak link of the D, and without some serious retooling there we'd be cutting off our nose to spite our face. Kiwi could probably be a decent LB but we don't have a thumper MLB or a speed guy to put next to him. I'd be a tough sell. Agree. We don't have good enough linebackers to run a 3-4. I'm hoping they move Kiwi back to the line and make a serious effort to retool the entire linebacking corps. With Osi leaving and Tuck looking bad we need another pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Here's the thing... all this talk of 3-4, 4-3, 4-4-3, all that... the best thing you can be is adaptable. Look at New England. They have the ability to switch between 4-3 and 3-4 all day long. I believe the standard defense of the future keeps the offense guessing. First down? You might see a 4-3... you might see a 3-4. You might see a Kiwanuka at end with his hand in the dirt, and you might see a shift before the snap and Kiwi stand up and play LB. And a DT like Canty might become a DE in that scenario. You have to have adaptable players to do this, but what is a requirement is a very strong NT. Linval, MAYBE could be that. I just don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 We should just switch back to an aggressive spags style 4-3. I like Fewell, but he's inconsistent at being aggressive when he needs to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 We won 2 SBs in the last 5 years and our D was HUGE in each SB run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Our D is just gassed right now and Injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 yeah, they ran a 4-4 quite a bit, not a 3-4. and to back that up: http://www.nj.com/gi...e_coverage.html well what ever we were doing it sucked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 We won 2 SBs in the last 5 years and our D was HUGE in each SB run. It's not the same unit anymore... everyone is 5 years older than they were 5 years ago... Tuck is a shell of himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashTalker92 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 this is a crazy thread... we won both superbowl with a 4-3 defense... why do we want to change something that's working? yes this year is giong to the shitters.. but winning TWO superbowls in the last 5 years amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 It's not the same unit anymore... everyone is 1 year older than they were 1 years ago... Tuck is a shell of himself Fixed. And so what? You rebuild the unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I dont think the formation means nearly as much as finding 11 guys who want to play the game at maximum effort and speed We need a DC who can motivate men........Perry Fewell does not impress me as a cheerleader/motivator. We suffer from "Affluenza" an abundance of Lombardi's Mathmatically we should only be winning a SB every 32 yrs not every 4 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 well what ever we were doing it sucked 8 guys in the box and still couldn't stop Ray Rice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgutmartyr Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Last year Manning set a record for come from behind victories. That says something about Manning; but it also says something about the performance of our defense. Yes, they did pick it up during the playoffs. But the fact of the matter is they did't even play well enough to get into the playoffs this year, and if it wasn't for some exceptional offensive play, they wouldn't have last year, either. Crennel is a very good defensive coordinator. Considering that the strength of our defense is now in decline (whether we want to believe it or not), this might be the time to switch strategies and take our lumps. Because if this year is any indicator, we're going to have to retool the dline anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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