njsmalls Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Whats wrong with that? Alot of our O is run with out a FB anyway I guess... It would put Jim finn out of business. How good is Keyshawn at run blocking? I still would rather continue to build our defense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 This is my post from the thread in the GD. I love the idea of Keyshawn in NY, the guy is tough as nails, goes over the middle, makes all the catches, blocks etc. Everyone says he's too much like Toomer and that we need a fast WR. Fuck that, we've tried finding a fast WR at a bargain, I'll take 3 solid proven recievers over 2 good recievers and 2 burners that couldn't catch a cold. The guy runs his mouth, and I doubt TC would change that, but I think Eli is mentally tough enough to handle critisism from his player, he handled it last year. Come to NY Keyshawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmiwinks Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I guess... It would put Jim finn out of business. How good is Keyshawn at run blocking? I still would rather continue to build our defense... Yeah I would like to build the d but there is much building left.....Last year our problems were LB's (injury) and DB's (Fixed) Maybe a DT and a LB we could get that in the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njsmalls Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I'm thinking if we do sign Keyshawn...I hope we can still sign a DT and draft a Linebacker. Rookie LBs can make an impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Boy it's funny how far Plax's stock has fallen with some of you. A year ago several of you were claiming he was one of the best WR's in the league. Now you can't wait to get rid of him! Keyshawn is a me-first player so if we sign him we better be prepared for a sideline rant or two as well as him yelling at Eli if it's not a perfect pass. Can the guy produce? I think so. But can he also be a major distraction? Absolutely. I'd hate to see us give the guy more than a three year deal. I also think the money could be better spent elsewhere, however I'll begrudgingly admit that a Keyshawn signing would likely pay dividends. Popular topic today, I posted this in 2 previous threads today, so here's my response. I love the idea of Keyshawn in NY, the guy is tough as nails, goes over the middle, makes all the catches, blocks etc. Everyone says he's too much like Toomer and that we need a fast WR. Fuck that, we've tried finding a fast WR at a bargain, I'll take 3 solid proven recievers over 2 good recievers and 2 burners that couldn't catch a cold. The guy runs his mouth, and I doubt TC would change that, but I think Eli is mentally tough enough to handle critisism from his player, he handled it last year. Come to NY Keyshawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njsmalls Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 From Paul Ditino of the Bergen Record... He reported that KJ arrived last night in NJ and he talked to Coughlin this morning and believed to be out to lunch right now with Giants officials. It was understood that he came with the intention of getting a deal done. Ditino also said that the Giants are very interested in him for a few reasons...one is as a great 2nd/3rd WR, but also as a mentor to Plaxico and Taylor and if they get a rookie WR. He also said that he can help Eli along. I guess that makes sense, although I'd question him as being a great mentor. Ditino also said that it wouldn't affect a possible Arrington signing. He said that they can work it so KJ only will count for about 1mil on this year's cap, and that they can remove their rights on Frank Walker and avoid giving him his $750,000 bonus. They could release him without taking any hit, and in effect, giving $750,000 back to the Giants. So in esccence, the Giants could get KJ this year and drop Walker for a total of about $250,000...thus not hurting the chance of signing Arrington. Oh shit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 From Paul Ditino of the Bergen Record... He reported that KJ arrived last night in NJ and he talked to Coughlin this morning and believed to be out to lunch right now with Giants officials. It was understood that he came with the intention of getting a deal done. Ditino also said that the Giants are very interested in him for a few reasons...one is as a great 2nd/3rd WR, but also as a mentor to Plaxico and Taylor and if they get a rookie WR. He also said that he can help Eli along. I guess that makes sense, although I'd question him as being a great mentor. Ditino also said that it wouldn't affect a possible Arrington signing. He said that they can work it so KJ only will count for about 1mil on this year's cap, and that they can remove their rights on Frank Walker and avoid giving him his $750,000 bonus. They could release him without taking any hit, and in effect, giving $750,000 back to the Giants. So in esccence, the Giants could get KJ this year and drop Walker for a total of about $250,000...thus not hurting the chance of signing Arrington. Damn, I hate to see Walker go. I know he's not a fan favorite, but I loved that guy, too bad he couldn't be more consistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmiwinks Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Link I do not have a lot of new information, but I will give you what I just got. -Keyshawn’s visit went well this morning, he was able to mingle with some of the Giants that were working out. Our initial offer will be around a 3 year, $13 million deal with a fourth year club option worth over $4 million. He would recieve $ 8 million in guaranteed money. But no deal has been signed, which leads me to believe there is still a chance for Arrington. -As of right now, the Giants have about $8-$9 million left in cap space, but at least $4 million will be used for rookies. Thus, if this Keyshawn deal goes down, that might be it for the offseason, leaving holes at DT and OLB. -Grady Jackson was, and still is torn between three teams. The Giants, Rams, and an unknown third party, most likely the Raiders, Bills, or Chiefs have been giving him a lot of attention over the past few days. If Arrington and Johnson are both out of the picture, I’d pencil in Jackson to start next to Joseph in 2006. -Brenston Buckner…nothing. I am told the Giants will end up with one of the big three (Keyshawn-Arrington-Jackson) and that is all. Signing one of those guys will round up our FA period and let us divert our attention to the draft. -Charles Woodson is still without a team, but his contract demand has decreased only a little bit, if at all. The Giants have not scheduled a visit. -A little premature on this one, but the Giants are shopping their 2007 1st rd pick to move up in this year’s draft it seems. They will have little-to-no room cap wise next year, so getting rid of that first round contract might be the reason. There will be more to come on this over the next month, just thought I’d put it in your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njsmalls Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Intresting thing about the 2007 1st round pick. I guess it's worth it. Next year's FA will be even less active. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmiwinks Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Intresting thing about the 2007 1st round pick. I guess it's worth it. Next year's FA will be even less active. As long as we get good value for the pick Im cool with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxi-xxv Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I would expect future 2007 cap room from Luke and Carlos, so that is WAY too early to talk about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmiwinks Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I would expect future 2007 cap room from Luke and Carlos, so that is WAY too early to talk about that. Yeah thats true...I guess that why he put the "A little premature" in front..... I still wouldnt mind, if we could get an extra pick in the first that would be cool too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystic Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 (edited) From Paul Ditino of the Bergen Record... He reported that KJ arrived last night in NJ and he talked to Coughlin this morning and believed to be out to lunch right now with Giants officials. It was understood that he came with the intention of getting a deal done. Ditino also said that the Giants are very interested in him for a few reasons...one is as a great 2nd/3rd WR, but also as a mentor to Plaxico and Taylor and if they get a rookie WR. He also said that he can help Eli along. I guess that makes sense, although I'd question him as being a great mentor. Ditino also said that it wouldn't affect a possible Arrington signing. He said that they can work it so KJ only will count for about 1mil on this year's cap, and that they can remove their rights on Frank Walker and avoid giving him his $750,000 bonus. They could release him without taking any hit, and in effect, giving $750,000 back to the Giants. So in esccence, the Giants could get KJ this year and drop Walker for a total of about $250,000...thus not hurting the chance of signing Arrington. ps the guy who wrote this article is a bigger dipshit than motes and so is everyone else who would love to see ME-shawn wearing Giants blue Edited March 21, 2006 by WwwizdummM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blader Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Personally I'd be more worried about Arringtons head and pass coverage than Keyshawns mouth...he can block too...on Shockeys side..shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxi-xxv Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Yeah, I'm sure every team is just clammoring at the chance to get Keyshawn. Nobody wanted him when he left Tampa Bay, and nobody wants him now. Have fun rooting for that jackass. He has the mouth of TO, but not even a fraction of the skill and talent. Nobody wanted him when he left Tampa because TAMPA was trying to trade him, thats like saying no one wanted TO last week because the Eagles were trying to trade him. When KJ became available for free 2 years ago the BOYS(much like they did this week with TO) jumped on him. I for one do not want him, but no one can argue his possesion WR skills and the blocking he brings as a WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teufelhunde Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 All of the ego of TO and half the talent...I'll pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 All of the ego of TO and half the talent...I'll pass. He doesn't have TO's ego, he has an ego but nothing like TO. I don't think he destroys team like TO either, he can be an asset to us, I'm not niave enough to believe he'll be a role model and team player, but he won't sink the ship, he's a great reciever, he'll make the catches that get thrown his way and he'll go over the middle no matter who is waiting for him. The day he was released I started a thread wanting him here, I never do that when players are released, i want Key, our offense would be unstoppable with Plax, Key and Toomer at WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gspotter Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 KJ is not fast and though his hands are good he's not the primary WR. He's the possesion guy, so you're not talking about him replacing PB, you're talking about him replacing AT. Pay closer attention would ya'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockjock Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 (edited) If he comes for a reasonable amount of money and understands that he will only be a 2nd wideout AT BEST...I see no problem with the move. He may not be a burner, but he is willing to go over the middle, has good hands, and gives us yet another big target for Eli. Still would like to see us bring in a real burner to stretch the field, whether through the draft or free agency. and, while he may be a loud mouth at times...he is no where near as destructive to a team as say....TO..... Edited March 21, 2006 by shockjock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 He doesn't have TO's ego, he has an ego but nothing like TO. I don't think he destroys team like TO either, he can be an asset to us, I'm not niave enough to believe he'll be a role model and team player, but he won't sink the ship, he's a great reciever, he'll make the catches that get thrown his way and he'll go over the middle no matter who is waiting for him. The day he was released I started a thread wanting him here, I never do that when players are released, i want Key, our offense would be unstoppable with Plax, Key and Toomer at WR. I agree. You cannot compare this guy w/ TO's ego and idiocy or, unfortunately, his talent but I still think he will be an asset to the team with out a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 <-----------------------------Just remember who you heard it from FIRST!! You mean me right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DayneForNoGain Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 He doesn't have TO's ego, he has an ego but nothing like TO. I don't think he destroys team like TO either, he can be an asset to us, I'm not niave enough to believe he'll be a role model and team player, but he won't sink the ship, he's a great reciever, he'll make the catches that get thrown his way and he'll go over the middle no matter who is waiting for him. The day he was released I started a thread wanting him here, I never do that when players are released, i want Key, our offense would be unstoppable with Plax, Key and Toomer at WR. 1996 New York Jets 14 11 63 844 13.4 50 8 10 3 42 1997 New York Jets 16 16 70 963 13.8 39 5 15 0 50 1998 New York Jets 16 16 83 1131 13.6 41 10 15 1 60 1999 New York Jets 16 16 89 1170 13.1 65 8 16 3 57 2000 Tampa Bay 16 16 71 874 12.3 38 8 12 0 49 2001 Tampa Bay 15 15 106 1266 11.9 47 1 19 1 67 2002 Tampa Bay 16 16 76 1088 14.3 76 5 14 1 53 2003 Tampa Bay 10 10 45 600 13.3 39 3 9 0 33 2004 Dallas Cowboys 16 16 70 981 14.0 39 6 15 0 53 2005 Dallas Cowboys 16 14 71 839 11.8 34 6 7 0 46 Nope, not great. Had 1 very good year, and 3 decent years, and was benched for the final 6 games of a season (a la TO) for being an asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not_Ldiggitty Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 (edited) You mean me right? No, I had a thread on it before that.....lemme look for it.... eh, maybe not before, but nearly the same time actually.....im neutral on it at the moment, though...I'll have an opinion if and when it happens, depending on the size and duration of the contract..... Edited March 21, 2006 by Not_Ldiggitty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambrosio Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I would expect future 2007 cap room from Luke and Carlos, so that is WAY too early to talk about that. looking at eli's cap number for next year, i'd see a restructure as well. thats crazy for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 1996 New York Jets 14 11 63 844 13.4 50 8 10 3 42 1997 New York Jets 16 16 70 963 13.8 39 5 15 0 50 1998 New York Jets 16 16 83 1131 13.6 41 10 15 1 60 1999 New York Jets 16 16 89 1170 13.1 65 8 16 3 57 2000 Tampa Bay 16 16 71 874 12.3 38 8 12 0 49 2001 Tampa Bay 15 15 106 1266 11.9 47 1 19 1 67 2002 Tampa Bay 16 16 76 1088 14.3 76 5 14 1 53 2003 Tampa Bay 10 10 45 600 13.3 39 3 9 0 33 2004 Dallas Cowboys 16 16 70 981 14.0 39 6 15 0 53 2005 Dallas Cowboys 16 14 71 839 11.8 34 6 7 0 46 Nope, not great. Had 1 very good year, and 3 decent years, and was benched for the final 6 games of a season (a la TO) for being an asshole. Yeah he was benched for 6 games, but you still can't compare him to TO. TO complained about money, Key complained about not getting the ball, now thats bad, but personally I honestly feel he thought the team would win if he got the ball more. That was a few years ago anyhow, he was on decent behavior in Dallas (again not the best, but decent). We're not gonna ask him to get 100 catches and 1,500 yards (although by those stats he had 2 1,000 yard seasons, 2 900 yard seasons and 3 800 yard seasons. Not too damned bad if you ask me. He's a sure handed target who will go over the middle and block, THATS what I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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