So maybe it's the coaching.

[mastershake]

Just stop fucking around, and this offseason, sign a quality guard (Connor Williams) and RT (Trenton Brown) to the team, and let Neal compete at RT or bump inside to G. And then draft another OL in rounds 2-4 as well for more depth.

Stop pussyfooting around with this patchwork OL bullshit. Bredeson, Glowinski, Ezeudu aren't starting capable lineman, and Neal is looking like a bust. Maybe MAYBE you can get away with 1 of these guys starting on the OL but only if the other 4 are all good.

[Mr. P]

2 hours ago, mastershake said:

Just stop fucking around, and this offseason, sign a quality guard (Connor Williams) and RT (Trenton Brown) to the team, and let Neal compete at RT or bump inside to G. And then draft another OL in rounds 2-4 as well for more depth.

Stop pussyfooting around with this patchwork OL bullshit. Bredeson, Glowinski, Ezeudu aren't starting capable lineman, and Neal is looking like a bust. Maybe MAYBE you can get away with 1 of these guys starting on the OL but only if the other 4 are all good.

 

Didn’t we stop pussyfooting around last year and drafted a first round o linemen, a 3rd rounder and a late rounder?

 

and Glowinski was viewed as a solid starting guard when we signed him. 

[Mr. P]

Most liked his signing at the time

 

 

https://www.sportswrath.com/topic/65051-giants-sign-g-mike-glowinski-to-3-yr-deal/#comment-1244680

 

 

 

 

[Mr. P]

1 minute ago, Mr. P said:

Most liked his signing at the time

 

 

https://www.sportswrath.com/topic/65051-giants-sign-g-mike-glowinski-to-3-yr-deal/#comment-1244680

 

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Mr. P said:

 

Didn’t we stop pussyfooting around last year and drafted a first round o linemen, a 3rd rounder and a late rounder?

 

and Glowinski was viewed as a solid starting guard when we signed him. 

 

 

 

so maybe it is the coaching. 

[mastershake]

17 minutes ago, Mr. P said:

 

Didn’t we stop pussyfooting around last year and drafted a first round o linemen, a 3rd rounder and a late rounder?

 

and Glowinski was viewed as a solid starting guard when we signed him. 

Neal and Ezeudu are on the verge of busting, and Glowinski was always a low end starter at best (hence, he only signed for $6M per year) who's clearly regressed.

But even then, relying on a rookie RT, and having gaps at LG and C was still a patchwork OL last year.

Nevertheless, this hasn't worked out. Gotta try to move on.

[Mr. P]

I think a 3rd rounder who becomes a good backup tackle(which he looks to be at least) isn’t a bust.  Have to see the stats on third rounders I guess. 
 

I also don’t give up on players as quick as some do. 

[boohyah]

It's funny guys pointing out Hernandez as somewhat of a missed opportunity and yet can't give rookies 2 years before writing them off.

And Schoen drafted 4 offensive linemen in 2 years and over Half dozen free agents. Gentlemen told us he wasn't drafting anyone and that our line was set. Remember that?

[mastershake]

1 hour ago, Mr. P said:

I think a 3rd rounder who becomes a good backup tackle(which he looks to be at least) isn’t a bust.  Have to see the stats on third rounders I guess. 
 

I also don’t give up on players as quick as some do. 

Ezeudu is an early 3rd rounder, so that should be a factor.

I'm also not giving up on anyone yet, but I am planning on the possibility of them not being good. A lack of this type of planning is why we get the OL's that we do.

[mastershake]

42 minutes ago, boohyah said:

It's funny guys pointing out Hernandez as somewhat of a missed opportunity and yet can't give rookies 2 years before writing them off.

And Schoen drafted 4 offensive linemen in 2 years and over Half dozen free agents. Gentlemen told us he wasn't drafting anyone and that our line was set. Remember that?

If Neal and Ezeudu don't show that they're solid starters this year, then you have to go into the 2024 offseason as if they're not capable of starting in 2024.

Same for McKethan.

Gettleman drafted OL and brought in several free agents as well.

[boohyah]

In 4 years as GM, Gettleman drafted 5 offensive linemen. One was a guy who never saw the field. He ignored it in 2021 and felt we had enough, fucking trading down for a specialist, skipping Rashawn Slater in the process (not to mention Parsons).

Schoen has addressed the line more in 2 years than Gettleman. He took Neal at 7, which was the guy we should have picked because he was rated by everyone that high. He would have been gone by 10 at worst.

Now if Neal and Ezeudu struggle this entire year, like I said you can start considering changes and I'm sure they will. It will be easy enough move Neal inside for the next 2 years and see if he's worth keeping after that. 

[mastershake]

1 hour ago, boohyah said:

In 4 years as GM, Gettleman drafted 5 offensive linemen. One was a guy who never saw the field. He ignored it in 2021 and felt we had enough, fucking trading down for a specialist, skipping Rashawn Slater in the process (not to mention Parsons).

Schoen has addressed the line more in 2 years than Gettleman. He took Neal at 7, which was the guy we should have picked because he was rated by everyone that high. He would have been gone by 10 at worst.

Now if Neal and Ezeudu struggle this entire year, like I said you can start considering changes and I'm sure they will. It will be easy enough move Neal inside for the next 2 years and see if he's worth keeping after that. 

Yes, spot on. I'm not trying to say Schoen hasn't tried. Just that it hasn't worked out thus far. I really hope Neal and one of these 2022 drafted guards puts it together, plus Schmitz.

[boohyah]

27 minutes ago, mastershake said:

Yes, spot on. I'm not trying to say Schoen hasn't tried. Just that it hasn't worked out thus far. I really hope Neal and one of these 2022 drafted guards puts it together, plus Schmitz.

It's too early. We have played 3 games and 2 of them against defenses with superior speed. We need to be more patient than this.

[Mr. P]

At least the lineman Gettleman drafted is not only good, but very very very good. 
 

[mastershake]

20 hours ago, boohyah said:

It's too early. We have played 3 games and 2 of them against defenses with superior speed. We need to be more patient than this.

Yes definitely. And I'm not expecting a quick turnaround, but I think it's realistic to hope they turn a corner by midseason, maybe game 6-7.

[boohyah]

1 hour ago, Mr. P said:

At least the lineman Gettleman drafted is not only good, but very very very good. 
 

He is and Dave wasn't a complete fuckup because he clearly got some right. 

But Dave was all about proving knew more than anyone else in the room and that's how we ended up with Golladay and the 2021 draft and no linemen. That last year alone set us back about 5 years.

[boohyah]

30 minutes ago, mastershake said:

Yes definitely. And I'm not expecting a quick turnaround, but I think it's realistic to hope they turn a corner by midseason, maybe game 6-7.

That's fair enough.

[Mr. P]

13 hours ago, boohyah said:

He is and Dave wasn't a complete fuckup because he clearly got some right. 

But Dave was all about proving knew more than anyone else in the room and that's how we ended up with Golladay and the 2021 draft and no linemen. That last year alone set us back about 5 years.

 

we all thought Golloday was going to be good for us. 

[mastershake]

Gettleman was the master of getting 1 thing right for every 4 things he got wrong. For instance, he got us Thomas, but he never filled in the other 4 OL positions.

In general, I would play the young guys to see what we got. Keep going with Banks, Hawkins, but also we need to see more of Hyatt and Robinson (Slayton and Campbell aren't the future here), plus keep McKethan at RG, let's see what we have with Ezeudu at LG (Bredeson and Glowinski aren't much better, and aren't the future), put Eric Gray into the rotation at RB as well. Also more Riley at DT, and rotate Basham more into the mix on the DL as well.

Barkley, Bredeson, Glowinski, Leonard Williams, Slayton, Campbell, etc aren't this team's future. 

[Sephiroth]

On 9/27/2023 at 11:01 AM, mastershake said:

Just stop fucking around, and this offseason, sign a quality guard (Connor Williams) and RT (Trenton Brown) to the team, and let Neal compete at RT or bump inside to G. And then draft another OL in rounds 2-4 as well for more depth.

Stop pussyfooting around with this patchwork OL bullshit. Bredeson, Glowinski, Ezeudu aren't starting capable lineman, and Neal is looking like a bust. Maybe MAYBE you can get away with 1 of these guys starting on the OL but only if the other 4 are all good.

The problem is that Shoen isn't looking like a competent evaluator of O-line talent. Those are all his guys plus McKethan and as of right now they all suck. 

[Iceman_NYG]

I think it is the coaching. Both Flowers and Hernandez seem to be fairly capable on other teams. But guys who were half decent have sucked donkey dick on the Giants - who is the OL coach anyway??? Time to look hard at that dude. This team isnt winning shit in the trenches and hence the added pressure is falling on the others

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

10 hours ago, Iceman_NYG said:

I think it is the coaching. Both Flowers and Hernandez seem to be fairly capable on other teams. But guys who were half decent have sucked donkey dick on the Giants - who is the OL coach anyway??? Time to look hard at that dude. This team isnt winning shit in the trenches and hence the added pressure is falling on the others

I would definitely call out the OL coach and the DL coach needs some "love" as well.

[Sephiroth]

11 hours ago, Iceman_NYG said:

I think it is the coaching. Both Flowers and Hernandez seem to be fairly capable on other teams. But guys who were half decent have sucked donkey dick on the Giants - who is the OL coach anyway??? Time to look hard at that dude. This team isnt winning shit in the trenches and hence the added pressure is falling on the others

There's been like five since Ereck Flowers has been here. 

[mastershake]

Tonight is another test for this offense and offensive line because the Seahawks not only are banged up on D going in but they've been a bottom of the barrel defense so far this season.

Though our defense sucks too. I just can't see the giants going up and down the field with the Seahawks tonight, if the game gets into a high scoring match.

[gmenroc]

This past week...I was of the impression that if we fo 1-3, we might as well go 1-16.  Not saying that's what I would root for...but 1-3 with our remaining schedule is almost guaranteed no playoffs.

I am at a loss at this point.  The commitment to Jones is as questionable as ever.  The front office/coaching, I really like, and want to stick with at least another 5 years.  That takes them through Jones deal and into the next QB...be it Jones or someone else.

I wonder if he scouting department needs an overhaul?  I wonder if the influx of FA cash this coming offseason will make a difference.  The disappointment over how this season started has crushed any optimism built in the offseason...so it's almost square 1.

 

[mastershake]

My mock draft this next offseason;

Round 1: Best OL available

Round 2: Best OL available

Round 3: Best OL available