nosebleedjints Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 I am worried that with all the signings and great players, we are going to be expected and favored to have a superb season, only to have the injury bug hold us back. Specifically, I am concerned about RB. Remember the Jets in 1999? Remember the Jets last year? In both instances, the Jets were coming off playoff seasons, and were expected to be serious contenders. The problem was, both times they had serious injuries to skill players and bombed. In 1999 it was Testaverde. Last season it was Martin and Pennington. The Jets had no suitable backup for their Qb and Rb. Similarly in 2003 the Giants were coming off a playoff season and expected to compete, only to have injuries send them as well to last place. I am worried in 2006 we are one Tiki injury away from being 5-11. He is so important to our team, to both the running and passing game, sometimes special teams, he would be irreplacable, and further, we have nobody who has any record of being able to handle a full workload. We use Tiki without much of a rotation, we barely use our backups to spell Tiki, I am worried ineffectivness, injury, or age to him could ruin our year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 The Giants have 3 good RBs and a 4th RB who is a terrific return specialist. I can't think of 1 team that has a better RB situation than we do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest So.Cal Dub Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 Huh? You're kidding right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 i think jacobs could be great given the right situation...i think he can be the succeser for tiki if we train him well engouh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carbo Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 The Giants have 3 good RBs and a 4th RB who is a terrific return specialist. I can't think of 1 team that has a better RB situation than we do... Huh? You're kidding right? i think jacobs could be great given the right situation...i think he can be the succeser for tiki if we train him well engouh!Worth repeating: you're kidding, right? After Barber, there is no one on the Giants roster who can carry the ball with any success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uconngiants Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 i dont know how you could say the gaints have the best depth at rb in the NFL considering nobody is proven besides Tiki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torn084 Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 i am not trying to sound singleminded but, dolphins are pretty good in rbs. u have brown off the tope who is developing into a star. behind him is ricky, who simply smoked defenses the second half of last year after he returned from suspesion. next is travis minor, who has great hands is good in short yardage situations. then u have the plowing fullback-turned-runningback Darian Barnes. Barnes doesn't have hands like Minor, but he is used how Jacobs was last year for the giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gateb Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 Worth repeating: you're kidding, right? After Barber, there is no one on the Giants roster who can carry the ball with any success. That explains his 4.4 speed and the fact that he's 260 pounds. I'm fine with our RB situation right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njsmalls Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 not to mention Derrick Ward is underrated...by Giants fans. He can be effective...he doest get many chances behind Tiki same goes for Jacobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uconngiants Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 That explains his 4.4 speed and the fact that he's 260 pounds. I'm fine with our RB situation right now. Those are just numbers he has yet to proven anything a besides gaining a yard here and there along with funmbling (had to throw it in sorry) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Grimes Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 i am not trying to sound singleminded but, dolphins are pretty good in rbs. u have brown off the tope who is developing into a star. behind him is ricky, who simply smoked defenses the second half of last year after he returned from suspesion. next is travis minor, who has great hands is good in short yardage situations. then u have the plowing fullback-turned-runningback Darian Barnes. Barnes doesn't have hands like Minor, but he is used how Jacobs was last year for the giants. Isn't Ricky suspended for the entire year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uconngiants Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 Isn't Ricky suspended for the entire year? they are appealing it as far as i know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Grimes Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 they are appealing it as far as i know I thought they started the appeal like a month ago. I would take that as sign that he will be smoking something other than defenses next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gateb Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 Those are just numbers he has yet to proven anything a besides gaining a yard here and there along with funmbling (had to throw it in sorry) He's actually very sure handed. And I think BJ was a victim of the game planning. It was so obvious that in short yardage situations, he was going to run. We should have kept the defense on their heels a little bit with some play action, like we did against SF with Shockeys TD catch. He was wide open. I think the Ricky decision may come as early as tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 i dont know how you could say the gaints have the best depth at rb in the NFL considering nobody is proven besides Tiki Define "proven." Both Jacobs and Ward demonstrated that they were talented RBs who can play last season. Even Chad Morton has had some success playing RB in his career. They are all certainly much more "proven" that a rookie, if you are implying that drafting a RB is a logical course of action... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 Those are just numbers he has yet to proven anything a besides gaining a yard here and there along with funmbling (had to throw it in sorry) Tying the Giants rookie record for rushing TDs doesn't happen by mistake. He fumbled one time. Tiki, by comparison, fumbled 35 times over a 5 year stretch. Let's not make wrong generalizations about a player who has been sure-handed throughout his pro and collegiate career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randoff Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 Do not be surprised IF the Giants select Lendell White at #25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parlintm Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 Do not be surprised IF the Giants select Lendell White at #25. I would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizan Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 I think drafting a RB should be out of the question. Sure it would be tempting if a player like DeAngelo Williams is there but 1 thing is for certain when it comes to the draft every year, there is always a good talent at RB. RB is the easiest transition of any position to the NFL. We dont need a guy on roster "grooming". We have 4 good RBs on roster right now. We dont need one. Brandon Jacobs still has tons of potential and IMO can still be an everydown back in the NFL. If Tiki goes down we are screwed no matter who is replacing him. You cant prepare for a loss like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 He's actually very sure handed. And I think BJ was a victim of the game planning. It was so obvious that in short yardage situations, he was going to run. We should have kept the defense on their heels a little bit with some play action, like we did against SF with Shockeys TD catch. He was wide open. I think the Ricky decision may come as early as tomorrow. I have high hopes for Jacobs, but I'm not naive enough to beleive he'll be a special running back. He runs upright too much, he hits the line and spins. I think we are in desperate need of a replacement for Tiki, we've done several things to improve the team on defense, I'd hate to see all that go to waste if God forbid Tiki gets injured. I seriosuly think we should go for a RB in the 1st or second round. Lendale White in the first or Josheph Addai in the second. Having said that, I have seen bright spots from BJ, givin 20 carries he might be a good back, but I don't like the idea of hoping a project pans out to be the replacement for Tiki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gateb Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 Do not be surprised IF the Giants select Lendell White at #25. Not at #56 but at #25 I will be. I'm not exactly thrilled with the thought of Tiki's replacement being a project either but the Giants can't really give up on him after not giving him much of an oppurtunity as an everydown back. That is also why drafting an RB in the first round is too early. A guy like Williams still would need to wait at least a year, maybe more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 How exactly is Brandon Jacobs a project? The guy was an impact player on the college level, played great when given a chance in preseason, and performed his role well during the regular season. Why do people keep excluding Derrick Ward? He's a good player. No rookie not named Reggie Bush is going to come in outplay Ward or Jacobs. BTW, Accorsi said in a recent interview that the Giants see Jacobs both as Tiki's replacement and as a special player.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosebleedjints Posted April 24, 2006 Author Share Posted April 24, 2006 Are YOU kidding? Derrik Ward is NOT a starting caliber running back, and Brandon Jacobs was unimpressive in his rookie season. How much NFL sucess between the two of them have they had? You are forgetting, Tiki is a great runner, catcher, and blocker. Not only that, but we have nobody who has hsown they can run 20 times a game. In fact, we overuse Tiki because our backups simply are a major drop off from Tiki, it would almost be like the Yankees losing Mo, there is nobody who is experienced in the position. Again, one bad play for Tiki and we are staring at the 1999, 2003, and 2005 Jets with respect to Testaverde, Pennington, and Martin, I really feel better about getting some depth, somebody who could be a starter in case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 i dont know how you could say the gaints have the best depth at rb in the NFL considering nobody is proven besides Tiki 100% correct assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Are YOU kidding? Derrik Ward is NOT a starting caliber running back, and Brandon Jacobs was unimpressive in his rookie season. How much NFL sucess between the two of them have they had? You are forgetting, Tiki is a great runner, catcher, and blocker. Not only that, but we have nobody who has hsown they can run 20 times a game. In fact, we overuse Tiki because our backups simply are a major drop off from Tiki, it would almost be like the Yankees losing Mo, there is nobody who is experienced in the position. Again, one bad play for Tiki and we are staring at the 1999, 2003, and 2005 Jets with respect to Testaverde, Pennington, and Martin, I really feel better about getting some depth, somebody who could be a starter in case... What is with you and the stupid reference to the Jets and their QB situation and comparing it to the Giants RB "situation". This is so dumb. We are not thin at RB. Believe me if anything happens Tiki the Giants will certainly turn to Jacobs/ Ward. I don't think their is anybody in the Giants org that wouldn't be curious to see what Jacobs could do with more downs, it just won't be at the expense of Tiki . At worse the Giants can pick up backup in the 2nd round of cuts in June, where there will be plenty of guys floating around looking for work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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