xxi-xxv Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I know no physical or heresay evidence has ever been linked to Mike, but there is one thing I cannot help rememebering. Remember about 2003 2004 when Mike TORE his groin muscle by simply attempting to get out of the way of a pitch? Well today I heard some doctoe call WFAN and he did not mention Mike, but he said one tell tale sign of a roid user is that their secondary muscles that you do not work on tend to tear easily. I would say that simply backing away from a fastball and completely tearing your groin falls into the category of "easily tearing a secondary muscle you do not work on". I sure hope not, would not surprise me, but it would be sad nonetheless and it would dimish the great things he did offensively as a catcher IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I think not. I suppose it's possible but I don't think Mike did it (and this is only my gut feeling) and I don't see any reason to doubt his integrity or question him. It's unfortunate that it's come to this... where every noteworthy player is questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 he did take shots in the butt, that much i can tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 he did take shots in the butt, that much i can tell you. Lol, blu, funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaNJ Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 When they started with this A-Roid stuff, I said that Mike Piazza's name is on that list of 104 players... He had such crazy power to the opposite field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 When they started with this A-Roid stuff, I said that Mike Piazza's name is on that list of 104 players... He had such crazy power to the opposite field. He always did though. Was he taking 'roids in '93? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 He always did though. Was he taking 'roids in '93? Mike was incredibly strong. He was just as solidly built as they come, and he produced a LOT of torque with his swing. The power he generated was in his swing mechanics and that powerful body, IMO. I don't see any evidence to say he used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditto Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I know no physical or heresay evidence has ever been linked to Mike, but there is one thing I cannot help rememebering. Remember about 2003 2004 when Mike TORE his groin muscle by simply attempting to get out of the way of a pitch? Well today I heard some doctoe call WFAN and he did not mention Mike, but he said one tell tale sign of a roid user is that their secondary muscles that you do not work on tend to tear easily. I would say that simply backing away from a fastball and completely tearing your groin falls into the category of "easily tearing a secondary muscle you do not work on". I sure hope not, would not surprise me, but it would be sad nonetheless and it would dimish the great things he did offensively as a catcher IMO. I don't think that proves anything. I used to pull to pull a groin muscle every spring, or fall if it was football season, and I always contributed it to it being the last muscle in my legs getting in shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feefifoefum Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Is a catcher more prone to a groin injury? I'm sure getting out of that squatting position and throwing to second base as hard as you can put some strain on your groin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaNJ Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 He always did though. Was he taking 'roids in '93? I do not know, but to keep that strength as long as he did.... I'm just saying if his name was on that list I would not be surprised in the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxi-xxv Posted February 14, 2009 Author Share Posted February 14, 2009 Mike was incredibly strong. He was just as solidly built as they come, and he produced a LOT of torque with his swing. The power he generated was in his swing mechanics and that powerful body, IMO. I don't see any evidence to say he used. Jim, this is an objective Met thread, we are not looking for people who will defend him no matter what, we want real solid opinions of those who are able to critically look at the team they root for... Only thing I will say is this, we have never before seen a catcher play day in and day out with that ability and continue to hit like that. Thats all we can say. If the roids era is about jacked up offensive stats, well then you cannot ignore the offensive stats that Piazza put up in that era, something that has never before been seen from a player at that position. The average and the power and the games played were unheard of before... I sure hope not.. and Mike always seemed pretty straightforward, but the questions have to be there, to dismiss them because we simply do not want to believe it is silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 One thing in his favor based purely on anecdotal evidence is that he never seemed to suffer from roid rage or some of the other symptoms of chronic steroid use such as discoloration of the skin; liver/kidney issues or heart problems. If he were to be found dirty however....I would not be knocked over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 One thing in his favor based purely on anecdotal evidence is that he never seemed to suffer from roid rage or some of the other symptoms of chronic steroid use such as discoloration of the skin; liver/kidney issues or heart problems. If he were to be found dirty however....I would not be knocked over. Exactly. Plus that injury he suffered...Mike was getting pretty old too and all that wear and tear on his body over all those years. If Mike was on 'roids...I'd cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Exactly. Plus that injury he suffered...Mike was getting pretty old too and all that wear and tear on his body over all those years. If Mike was on 'roids...I'd cry. He was a proud catcher...too proud in terms of preserving his career. He should have taken as many vacations he could have gotten at first base; instead of treating it as being exiled to Siberia the way he acted with the Mets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I know no physical or heresay evidence has ever been linked to Mike, but there is one thing I cannot help rememebering. Remember about 2003 2004 when Mike TORE his groin muscle by simply attempting to get out of the way of a pitch? Well today I heard some doctoe call WFAN and he did not mention Mike, but he said one tell tale sign of a roid user is that their secondary muscles that you do not work on tend to tear easily. I would say that simply backing away from a fastball and completely tearing your groin falls into the category of "easily tearing a secondary muscle you do not work on". I sure hope not, would not surprise me, but it would be sad nonetheless and it would dimish the great things he did offensively as a catcher IMO. thats exactly why i think he juiced. i hope it's not true cuz i like mike too. remember pujols had that ridiculous quad injury while seemingly barely moving his leg? i think hes dirty for that reason as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feefifoefum Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 One thing in his favor based purely on anecdotal evidence is that he never seemed to suffer from roid rage or some of the other symptoms of chronic steroid use such as discoloration of the skin; liver/kidney issues or heart problems. If he were to be found dirty however....I would not be knocked over. That time he went after Mota.. that was pretty roid rage like. I still don't think he did it, and don't think a groin injury is reason to suspect that he did. I read somewhere that groin injuries occur mostly after a sudden, accelerated movement, kind of like trying to get out of the way of a fastball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 That time he went after Mota.. that was pretty roid rage like. I still don't think he did it, and don't think a groin injury is reason to suspect that he did. I read somewhere that groin injuries occur mostly after a sudden, accelerated movement, kind of like trying to get out of the way of a fastball. Yeah I forgot about that one....its a shame....just about every ball player for the past 30 years or more can come under the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gateb Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 thats exactly why i think he juiced. i hope it's not true cuz i like mike too. remember pujols had that ridiculous quad injury while seemingly barely moving his leg? i think hes dirty for that reason as well my history teacher used to cover baseball for USA today and said pujols's back was covered with acne too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feefifoefum Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 my history teacher used to cover baseball for USA today and said pujols's back was covered with acne too. I joined a FOX Sports fantasy baseball league, and under the "news and notes" for Pujols it said something about LaRussa stating the league should have a no tolerance policy when dealing with steroids. I just thought that was kinda funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I joined a FOX Sports fantasy baseball league, and under the "news and notes" for Pujols it said something about LaRussa stating the league should have a no tolerance policy when dealing with steroids. I just thought that was kinda funny. hysterical, considering his A's teams were sharing more needles than a sewing factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 larussa has multiple championships and a great legacy due to coaching juiced up superstars. he should really shut his mouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 don't even try, his genius is incomprehensible to us mere mortals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 larussa has multiple championships and a great legacy due to coaching juiced up superstars. he should really shut his mouth Everyone said Davey Johnson ran a zoo with the 86 Mets; well if he ran a zoo then LaRussa ran fucking Jurassic Park with the bullshit that went on underneath him....probably with full knowledge and no plausible protestations of innocence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plax 4 Prez Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 he did take shots in the butt, that much i can tell you. Was it by Roger Clemens? Mike already took a shot from Clemens in the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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