fishgutmartyr

That is not a good position to be consistently making mental mistakes, though. But I defer to the coach's judgement. He knows the guy, I don't.

Let's just say I'm glad we picked up Madison and McQuarters. And we drafted Webster.

Well, at least we kept Tyson Smith and Anthony Mix, I think they are going to be pretty good someday. Darcey Johnson on the PS helps explain why there was no desperate need to keep 3 TEs on the team.

According to KFFL: Gerrick McPhearson Tyson Smith Marcus Green Darcey Johnson Anthony Mix James Sims Adrian Awasome

Oh, did I mention the ritual sacrifice? No? Maybe that's for the best...

Can someone explain the big love for this guy? It seems that every time I see this guy on the field, a interference penalty soon follows. I'm not attacking, I just want to understand what you see in him.

Hey Drama, they kept 6 WR and 4 DTs, like I said. In keeping with SW maturity and dignity, I have to say "Neener. Neener. Neener." Some surprises: 2 TEs? Kind of risky, especially with Shocky's tendency to get nicked-up. I'm surprised Peprah didn't make it. Did Dockery play that well? Hopefully Smith and McNeil make the practice squad.

Ah, you beat me.

I masturbate furiously during the pregame show. But I do that before any game.

I guess I stand corrected with every point here, remind me not to argue with you on this. Benson's only team was the Giants (except for a quick stint with the Raiders in '91), but he wasn't drafted in '78. It sucked to lose Ray when we did, but that was his dream job. When a coaching legend picks you as a successor to your old school, how are you going to refuse? Nice to see other people remember Dan Lloyd. I always thought he was a pretty good LB, but he seems to be the forgotten one in that group.

I did my time in the 70's. Started watching the Giant's during Arnsparger's tenure. Fortunately, I have very little memory of those teams, other than Pete Athas and John Mendenhall. And frankly, no, I don't think that much of Parcells. A good coach? Yes. This legend that he's made out to be? No. Oh, he quit teams back then, too? Didn't remember that. Could the dropoff in 1980 be caused by a change in defensive coordinators/philosophy and a new learning curve for the team? Possibly. And something else happened in 1981 that might have had an impact on the defense--what could that be? Oh yeah, that was Taylor's rookie season, when he basically went ape-shit on every team they played. You also mentioned Ray Perkins. You have to agree with me that it was Young/Perkins that changed the culture of losing the Giants had, but Parcells seems to get the credit. I think that's what bugs me the most. Perkins doesn't have the winning record career-wise, but he was stuck with some incredibly bad teams, and things had improved considerably by the time he went to Alabama. Actually, I did forget about Simms injuries, particularly the hand injury. Long day. Jim Burt was a good player, who went on to win rings with the 49'ers. I don't think he was ever in Parcell's "circle of trust," and if he needed that kind of button-pushing, he wouldn't have been starting on the niners defensive line. Brad Benson was drafted by the Giants in 1978, so I'm not sure how you got "journyman" out of that. Phil McConkey was a tough little cuss who would have given his all no matter what, just because that was who he was. Lee Rouson? You mean the backup running back that had me break into cold sweats every time Morris was a little slow getting up? Look, I'll concede this point, because motivation is one of Parcell's strengths, but geez... By the way, motivation doesn't translate in a GM position. I'm not going to bother with your 4th point, because frankly I don't care about the Pats, and there is no way in hell I'm going to defend Dan Reeves, who I thought little of when he was with Denver. He was leading the Giants in 1983 because he had the lion's share of carries. He averaged 3.5 yd/carry in 246 attempts. Meanwhile, Carpenter managed 3.7, and Morris avg. was 4.1. Carpenter had 170 attempts, Morris 35. I don't remember if Carpenter was injured that year, honestly. But combined, Morris/Carpenter managed to gain 88 yards less (769 yds) than Woolfolk (857 yds) in 41 less carries. They would only have needed to average 2.2 yd/carry for the rest of the attempts to be even with Butch. I would expect Morris' average to drop with more carries, but to fail to make up the difference would have meant it would need to drop almost 2 yds/carry. That's not likely. Carpenter had 150+ attempts, so I don't think his average would have dropped much, if at all. So what am I saying? Even in 1983, the RB getting the majority of the carries (and therefore, yards) was not necessarily the best running back on the team. I remember feeling that way back in 1983, and the stats bear me out. Why did it take a full year and 1 running play for Parcells to notice it? Anyway, I agree to disagree, but hope you continue the discussion, because I enjoy talking about those heady old days.

He "got us" two rings. Of course, saying that completely ignores the efforts of George Young, who started assembling that team years before Parcells was head coach. Not to mention that Parcells had a defense run by one of the best defensive minds of his time. Or the fact that by the time he took the coaching job, the Giants already had one of the best linebacking tandems in the league for about 5-6 years, and through shrewd drafting, maintained that reputation for 2-3 years after he left. Some of his remarkable coaching accomplishments: 1) Having Scott Brunner lead the way to an astounding 3-12-1 record his first year. This despite taking over a team that missed the playoffs the previous year due to tie-breakers (during a strike season), and had been in the playoffs the year before that. That tie against the Cards, by the way, is the single worst regular season game I've ever seen. 2) Playing Butch Woolfolk (or however you spell his name) well after it was apparent to everyone else on the planet that the guy was not effective. 3) Turning the forward pass on 1st down into a trick play. All that being said, he was a good coach. But this whole myth that he took a team on his shoulders and carried it to the promised land has got to stop. He had two confirmed Hall of Fame players playing for him (another who was damn close, and I'm not even counting OJ Anderson); and a future Hall of Fame coach leading the strength of the team. Not to mention linemen the likes of Barte Oates, William Roberts, (a healthy) Jumbo Elliot; Tight Ends like Zeke Mowatt and Mark Bavaro; and probably the best blocking fullback of his time in Maurice Carthon. The players on those teams were extremely talented; some of the best teams in the NFL at the time, but to hear the myth, you would think Parcells got those rings by smoke and mirrors. The sin is that a team of that caliber didn't have three. Since then, he's gotten crushed in one Superbowl, lost an AFC championship, and taken the Cowboys to a one-and-out playoff run. We actually haven't done much worse without him.

I think it would be a matter of time before Parcells would try to take over coaching duties. "I bought the groceries, I know how to cook my own recipe." sort of thing. Considering how he left, I don't want him back on the Giants again. Considering how he's left the other teams he's coached for, I don't want him back on the Giants again.

Just like the Raiders were going to the Superbowl with him at the helm, right?

That's another thing--Parcells is a control freak. Imagine how he would be to a coach, especially Tom Coughlin, who's worked under him as an assistant coach? There would be some chemistry between the two, but remember, chemistry gave us TNT. Sorry, just see to many negatives here.

I agree with GateB--with the job the front office is doing, it would be a sin not to reward them by not hiring someone internally. Plus, I don't think that much of Parcells as a personnel guy anyway. Not to mention his tendency to bail on teams that hire him.

And yet, it's kept him out for a month.

I agree with you that they aren't going to put Moss on IR. I just don't think he's going to be much help this year.

At this point, I think that I would rather he go on IR. I know there were a lot of hopes for him when he was drafted, but he's missed the entire training camp, and still isn't healed. If he comes back now, he's still not going to be 100%, and he is way behind in the learning curve. With Carter as a number 3, I would feel a whole lot better if there was a healthy body in the WR corp behind Tyree. That being said, and considering that Carter is our number 3, I hope Carter makes me look foolish.

Thanks, Mike. You know, this might not be a popular opinion, but I'm almost pissed that Emmons is back now. Between him being out most of training camp and thereby not really being ready, thinking that he's the starter when he hasn't really shown anything at the position (other than a couple of games last year, before he was yet again injured), plus younger guys worthy of practice time during the season, I'm not sure I'd want him back. Short and Wilkinson have shown themselves to be an adequate backup/starter combination; with only the depth ranking in question. I was thrilled to have Emmons here a couple of years ago. But the guy is constantly playing hurt, or is out. I'm sure that he winds up staying, because Coughlin is conservative, but I'd rather see him gone, and the space used for a younger guy.

Just saw the replay on nfl network. Offense started out flat. Running D started flat. Yet the talent was there to never let the outcome be in doubt; even with the special teams flub. So, we played down to their level (as in not with intensity), but the talent was simply too great to let it get scary against a weak team. I've seen a lot of games like this, but not too many with us being on the winning side. This team is legit.

Where is there any indication that Strahan can't play as much? Although it is nice that he can rest during the game, without a huge dropoff in defensive capability.

At DE on this team? No.

Morton can return kickoffs and punt returns, as well as be a 3rd down RB, if Tiki went down (God forbid). If Tiki's healthy, no way Morton sees the field on 3rd and long.

Same here. He had some very good games for us, but he also disappeared a few games as well.