fishgutmartyr

I think Webster's already off the injured list. Walker is probable. Yep, Webster came off as of 11/2

He really is the replacement for Tim Carter!

Well, if you're going to be dinged up, this is the game to be dinged up. Osi, Short, and Tuck kind of fall into that "no shit" category, and Moss--is that a surprise? Actually, Osi and Short actually being "questionable" is an upgrade, isn't it? Toomer will play. I don't know how effective Burress will be, though. The thing that's making me nervous is that too many of our CBs are going to be playing hurt. We're going to have to hope that Carr spends a lot of time looking at the NJ sky. Nah. If it were like those years, all these guys would be on IR.

Link. damn.

You win.

hamstring.

Oh, man...What does that mean for Brandon Short? Anyone hear anything?

Saw this link in a thread on BBI whilst lurking earlier. An Eagle fan crying about his team on the Extremeskins board, and having Redskins fans commiserating. Classic. Link to Schadenfreude Nirvana.

The ol' Col. is a carrier for tension--a "typhoid Mary" of sorts. I suspect he finds life a lot easier than those around him--he at least knows what's coming. Fortunately, we get to sit back and reap the benefits. He should have been screaming at Jacobs and Tyree for those bonehead moves: Tyree has been around enough to know better, and it's just stupid for Jacobs to throw away a good run like that. You risk injury in that position every down--why fight over the same yards twice?

Agreed, and it's a very good thing that Houston upset Jacksonville--it makes things a little easier for Coughlin when he tries to get the players up for this game.

I'm sure Jacksonville was concentrating on Houston last week, instead of looking to the Philly game. Four big wins in a row, Chicago right after which might be pivotal in the playoff picture, and you can't smell trap game?

Too many dominating games, Chicago right after--this could be an ugly one. I hope they remember to play Sunday, or we wind up with what we saw at the beginning of the season.

That really works in our favor, especially with the rookie QB.

Almost forgot again... Arizona at Green Bay 1:00 p.m. green bay Atlanta at Cincinnati 1:00 p.m. cincinnati Baltimore at New Orleans 1:00 p.m. new orleans Houston at Tennessee 1:00 p.m. who cares? all right, tennessee Jacksonville at Philadelphia 1:00 p.m. Philadelphia Seattle at Kansas City 1:00 p.m. Kansas City San Francisco at Chicago 1:00 p.m. Chicago Tampa Bay at N.Y. Giants 1:00 p.m. Giants St. Louis at San Diego 4:05 p.m. San Diego Indianapolis at Denver 4:15 p.m. Indianapolis N.Y. Jets at Cleveland 4:15 p.m. Jets Pittsburgh at Oakland 4:15 p.m. Pittsburgh Dallas at Carolina 8:15 p.m. Carolina Monday, Oct. 30. New England at Minnesota 8:30 p.m. New England Open date: Buffalo, Detroit, Miami, Washington None of these teams will lose this week

That's like beating a wheelchair-bound child--well done!

Coughlin went 6-10, not 4-12, and his record is his record.

From Answers.com: Head coaches Bob Folwell 8-4-0 1925 Joe Alexander 8-4-1 1926 Earl Potteiger 15-8-3 1927-1928 LeRoy Andrews 24-5-1 1929-1930 Benny Friedman and Steve Owen 2-0-0 1930 Steve Owen 153-108-17 1931-1953 Jim Lee Howell 55-29-4 1954-1960 Allie Sherman 57-54-4 1961-1968 Alex Webster 29-40-1 1969-1973 Bill Arnsparger 7-28-0 1974-1976 John McVay 14-23-0 1976-1978 Ray Perkins 24-35-0 1979-1982 Bill Parcells 85-52-1 1983-1990 Ray Handley 14-18-0 1991-1992 Dan Reeves 32-34-0 1993-1996 Jim Fassel 60-55-1 1997-2003 *Tom Coughlin 17-15-0 2004-present; Current Giants Head Coaching record as of 1 January, 2006. I was actually looking for a picture of the original red giants uniform with the tan pants, for the uniform thread, but ran into this. So I started to play around. I counted ties as half-wins. Winning percentages of winning coaches with at least 50 games. Jim Lee Howell: .648 (Jimmy, NOW do you see why they didn't just dump the guy?) Bill Parcells: .620 Steve Owen (not including the two wins he had sharing coaching duties with Benny Friedman): .581 Jim Fassel: .522 Allie Sherman: .513 Seems like a short list, but Steve Owen was the coach for 23 years. These 5 coaches account for 52 years. I really should give Parcells a little more credit than I do. Nah. best record for a coach with at least 1 complete season: LeRoy Andrews, 24-5-1, 1929-1930: .817 best record for any coach: Steve Owen and Benny Friedman, 2-0, 1930: 1.000 ---------- The "Dark Ages of the 90's" (handly-reeves years): .469 An estimated "Dave Brown Period" (reeves seasons without 12-6 first year record-3 seasons): .417 Entire period between Parcells and 2000 superbowl 1991-1999: (71-74) .490 What I grew up with (Arnsparger, McVay, Perkins; 1974-1982): (45-86) .344 I was nice and didn't include Parcell's first season (3-12-1: making it .330). There's even a playoff year in there (10-8)! Translate this in human terms: from when I was 11 up to and including my 20th year, I saw one winning season. I guess that's why I don't think of Dave Brown as the worst I've ever seen. ---------- Finally, the great debate: Fassel years: .522 Coughlin as of the Dallas game (21-18): .538 Conclusion: It's not really fair to compare 39 games to 116; but on the other hand, Coughlin can't be completely inept. Here's what we're debating here. I went back and added up the record for Fassel 6 games into his third season. Ready for this? 21-17-1. He was a half game ahead at this point in his giants career. Each had a miserable playoff loss with no wins to this point. Why were we debating their merits again? The only difference is how they got to their records (Fassel: 10-6-1, 8-8, 3-3; Coughlin: 6-10, 11-6, 4-2). Fassel wound up 7-9 at the end of his third season, so we'll see. Well, fucking discuss.

Your 2-4 team has just won at home by forcing your kicker to make the kick of his lifetime, and suddenly, you're a team that strikes terror in the hearts of your opponents. All righty then...

Nah, he's got one more team to "visit" before he retires.

The one pass interference in the endzone was classic. His arm got caught in Webster's. He got a flag because Owens didn't get a clean push-off.

That was amazingly blatant, and it's astounding they didn't call it. Guess we just have to continue winning by 14+ points to prevent calls determining games.

I have to disagree. The coach has to convey what he feels are his needs to the front office. If that's not happening, you end up with Ian Allen as a RT. It's not entirely Fassel's fault, but to totally call it irrelevant isn't right, either. I was thinking of Barry Stokes. Free agent that came over with O'Hara. He's very easy to forget. Ok, Fassel was a good QB coach. I don't want Mike Pope as a Head Coach, either. Seriously, the Dave Brown experiment really messed that entire decade up for us. When it finally sunk in that it was a failure, there was really a drought of quality QBs coming out of the draft. Minnesota and St. Louis wouldn't. Does that make Dennis Green and Mike Martz good coaches? What made Green Bay a perennial playoff team? Weak divisions. It's almost embarrassing to the NFC that the Packers have been a playoff team for as long as they have. Does it really shock you that once Philly started to get it's act together under Reid that we only appeared as a wild card once? You have Fassel, I have Perkins. You want to talk about a guy that gets 0 credit? I'm defending Coughlin way more than I really want to on this thread. He's flawed. But on the other hand, he almost completely reversed our 2003 record in his second year. If he manages another winning record this year (which would definitely be a down year for Fassel), can we at least afford him some recognition?

What you're talking about is what I consider the logistical aspect of coaching: getting and developing players, prepping them for the season and even getting them ready for games. From that standpoint, ass or not, I don't think there are many coaches that are better. I mean, 3 years ago, most people thought of Barber as a very good running back that was fatally flawed. Now people are debating whether or not he makes the HOF. (Imagine if Barber gets that hold adjustment in 2001... ) Strahan gets IR'd in 2004, and comes back leaner and meaner than before he left. Even, Toomer, who I thought was done at the end of 2004, has transformed himself to the point where he owns the sideline as well as I remember Drew Pearson doing in the 70's. That's not all on Coughlin, of course, but where was all that under Fassel? What I mean by gameday coach is the actual playcalling/adjustments to circumstances on a given Sunday. If his gameplan isn't working, he and his staff seem incapable of making changes during the course of the game. If that happens, it seems like the players need to make the adjustments by themselves in order to win. If they don't, we lose; and rather than just admit being caught off-guard, Coughlin blames "execution." I think that's the major flaw with this coaching staff. Coughlin really doesn't have the compliment to his strength, which would be good play-calling coordinators. You also forgot that guard that got IR'd before he ever played a regular season game for us. I'm not understanding your argument. Is this a bad thing?

In his stint with this team, I'd say that Coughlin's staff has been more of a hinderance than a benefit. But that's subjective. But to fault a coach for gathering a good staff is kind of like blaming a firefighter for running around with hoses. Part of the job. He's supposed to gather a good staff. Same with helping to evaluate free agents and draftees. I really find it hard to believe that EA suddenly decided to open the checkbook solely because Fassel left. I'm not saying the success in getting good players over the last few years is only because of Coughlin, but there is obviously better communication between the coaches and the front office than there was in the past. Maybe it has more to do with Reese and Abrams. Who knows? If you're going to fault him, I'd have to say it's his stubborness. He is completely resistant to change in his strategy, and completely incapable of accepting criticism of himself or his staff. I think he's a good logistical coach, but a pretty lousy gameday coach.

Keep in mind that Greisen was supposed to start at middle linebacker, but was injured most of preseason. Lewis won the position.