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Thanks for the post Barens. Offensive tackle Marcus McNeill has been diagnosed with Stenosis which is defined as the narrowing of the spine. While he can play with the condition, teams are concerned with the long-term effects and many have dismissed the notion of taking him in the first round. Two interesting points must be brought out. McNeill was unable to practice this season and for the most part put on the pads once a week on Saturday. His older brother, DeMarco McNeill was at one time a highly rated defensive tackle entering the 2004 draft but was red-flagged and went undrafted with a degenerative knee condition. I just removed him from our list of possible 1st rounders.

Hound I like your first two picks but Drew... thats a no go for me. Its not just Drew its any RB in this draft especially one in the 3rd or later rounds. RBs of his talents come out every year, its the easiest position to find a guy like that, it just dont make sense for us to draft him. Especially since we are very solid at RB as it is.

You must have missed Hounds, Moneys, and my posts.

Curtis Martin was a 3rd rounder. Ron Dayne was a 1st. Priest Holmes undrafted. Rashaan Saleem 1st rounder. My question to you for 500 points ... who were the bust?

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I personally dont think Carpenter makes it past New England. His versatility would be an asset though as well as his ability to put pressure on the QB.

I agree for the most part but I think you also have to add Marcus McNeil. Some may disagree but a few months ago there were reports that the Giants scouting department was really high on McNeil. I also dont think Cromartie gets out of the top 20 picks.

I dont think EA screwed up anything at all because there is a good chance Carpenter doesnt make it to us. The New England Patriots are really high on him and I find it hard to see them passing on a player like Carpenter. If he does make it to 25 there is still a chance we take him, I wouldnt rule anything out when it comes to the draft. Carpenters versatility could still be an asset to us although the likely hood of us taking Carpenter did take a hit.

yea alright, I should be around. Hey no problem Martin. Enjoy your weekend bro.

yea man, Im out for now but its vsalvatore21.

I agree, Last year he played in seven games with 24 tackles, nine of which were tackles for loss and just 1 sack while playing next to the likes of Manny Lawson and Mario Williams. Those stats arent too encouraging, especially for someone touted as an early 2nd. Now im not saying his success was because of Mario and Manny but they sure as hell didnt struggle when he was out with a broken foot for 5 games. McCargo is maybe a third round prospect IMO. I dont evem think he is really that good and is really being over hyped for reasons that are beyond me.

Brandon Noble and Jason Fisk could be other options for nose tackle although not as good as Jackson or Buckner.

Martin, I would tend to agree with the majority of what Money said. I think right now the best choice is Gabe Watson in the first. Although his work ethic scares the shit out of me, I think he has the best potential out of anyone who has the chance to be there at #25. Like Money said we are in position to "swing for the fences" and Watson is the epitome of that. With that said even if Watson is drafted, I could see us drafting another DT at some point during the draft or signing a FA. In regards to Jackson or any other free agent DT, I think that depends on the draft. Although likely Its not a given that Gabe Watson is available at 25. We could also decide to go a different direction when we do draft at 25 or when we draft a DT. If that happens to be the case Jackson would be a good choice to play as our nose tackle. I would feel more comfortable with him then Buckner even if Jackson failed a physical. Now Jackson would be nice to have but unless Strahan and Toomer restructure, which was being reported a week or so ago, we will have trouble signing him. We are currently around 3 million in available cap space and still would like to sign a vet. QB, possibly a WR like Proehl, as well as signing our draft choices. So getting a 2 gap tackle at some point in the draft should be a focal point like Money said. If we decide to go WR in the 1st or if the oppotunity presents itself and we trade down while missing out on Watson, I dont think we are doomed or anything like that. Wroten, Wright, or Dvoracek in the 2nd would help, I think each can contribute if called upon. There is also second day prospects that would be nice selections if we decided to go with 2 tackles in the draft. 4th round prospects like Le Kevin Smith and Montavious Stanley, 5th round prospects like Domata Peko, Tommy Jackson, or Steve Fifita.

You're overrating Sinorice Moss. I dont think Jackson will be there at 25 but if he is, he will be the BPA. He is the only reciever I would really feel comfortable about if we chose to select a WR in the first.

Hound, unless you and me look at atheltic ability different, I think you're wrong with what I have bolded. I took the liberty to get the other DTs number along with Dvoracek so you can see on an atheltic level he is very close to the others who are in this draft. Dvoracek (6-2¾, 306 pounds) At his proday he was timed at 4.79 and 4.81 in the 40. He had a 9-foot-6 broad jump, 4.47 short shuttle and a 7.59 three-cone drill. He did 31 reps in the 225-pound bench press. At the combine he ran the 40-yard dash in 5.07 seconds with a 34-inch vertical jump, a 9-2 broad jump and did 31 reps in the 225-pound bench press. Wroten had a 29½-inch vertical jump, and an 8-foot-6 broad jump. He also ran the short shuttle in 4.83 and the three-cone drill in 7.70. Bunkley (6-2 5/8, 304) he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.95 seconds, did 44 reps in the 225-pound bench press, had a 32.5-inch vertical jump and a 9-foot-5 broad jump. Wright (6-4 3/4, 303) had a 4.47 short shuttle. He ran the 40-yard dash in 5.16 seconds with a 32-inch vertical jump, a 9-2 broad jump and did 31 reps in the 225-pound bench press. McCargo (6-1, 305) ran his 40s in 5.11 and 5.12 seconds. He also ran the short shuttle in 4.37 and the three-cone drill in 7.29. He did 25 reps in the 225-pound bench press. Harris (6-2 7/8, 298) did not lift, but ran his 40s in 5.27 and 5.28. He also ran 4.51 in the short shuttle and 7.45 in the cone drill. He had a 29½-inch vertical, and an 8-foot-6 broad jump lift. He lifted 25 reps in the 225-pound bench press. Lewis ran the 40-yard dash in 4.97 seconds with a 33.5-inch vertical jump, a 9-3 broad jump and 24 reps in the 225-pound bench press. Now I do think Dvoracek at 56 may be just a bit too early but I dont think he'll be there at the end of round 3. So selecting him at 56 (assuming we dont trade down) isnt that bad of an idea at all. I like Dusty and the attitude he brings to the game as well. But I also feel he can get it done with his talent. Just take a look at his production on the field. Stats Dusty is stout vs the run and has the tools and strength to hold up. He also has the talent and skills to be an effective pass rusher. To me Dvoracek is one of the better all around DTs after Ngata and Bunkley. I actually cant believe McCargo, Lewis, and Harris have been rated higher on some boards I've seen.

lol chill out man, I was just messing with you. I actually think the Dolphins have a very solid team and should be seriously contenders for the division, in a few years maybe the superbowl. P.S. Dont get to excited about Barnes.

Bro, Jacobs is not a FB and wont be a FB. Just because the guy has size doesnt mean he will make a good transition to FB. Jacobs actually struggles blocking and he isnt the greatest route runner. He is a tailback and will remain a tailback. If anything it would be nice to see Jacobs get a few more carries in regular situations during the game.

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The article from ESPN.com Updated: April 25, 2006, 7:42 PM ET Williams suspended one year ESPN.com news services Dolphins halfback Ricky Williams lost his appeal with the NFL for violating the substance abuse policy and will be ineligible for the 2006 season. The appeal was of his fourth violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy, a ruling that places his football career in jeopardy. Two of the sources said that Williams, who has received a year-long suspension from the league, was told of the ruling earlier Tuesday. This will mark the second time in three years that Williams will sit out a full season. Williams missed the entire 2004 campaign when he abruptly retired, only days before the start of training camp that summer, following his third violation of the substance abuse policy. "I'm disappointed with the decision but I respect it," Williams said in a statement issued through the Dolphins. "I'm proud of my association with the National Football League and look forward to returning to the Dolphins in 2007." Williams can apply for reinstatement to the league after one year. He will not be allowed to train at the Dolphins facility for the next year. But even if he were to be reinstated in 2007, Williams would return as a 30-year-old running back who had appeared in just 12 games in three years. Life is difficult enough for a running back in the NFL once he turns 30. It would be especially difficult for Williams, given the rust he would have accumulated. And there are no guarantees that he will even want to resume his career when eligible for reinstatement. The four-time 1,000-yard rusher returned to the Dolphins in 2005, served a four-game suspension for his past drug-related offenses and forfeited an additional four game checks as part of the sanctions against him. He then ran for 743 yards and six touchdowns while serving as the backup to rookie tailback Ronnie Brown, the team's first-round pick. Williams played in 12 games and started three of them. League officials have yet to comment on the resolution to Williams' appeal, which was heard April 10 in a session presided over by league counsel Jeffrey Pash. There had been no indication of when a resolution might come on Williams' appeal, but in the hearing, the Dolphins requested an expedited decision. That was because Miami wanted to go into the draft the weekend with a clear picture of their tailback situation. Decisions on such appeals can often take months, but the league clearly viewed the Williams situation and the proximity to the draft as a mitigating circumstance and made a quicker determination. According to various reports, Williams tested positive, likely in December toward the end of the 2005 season, for a substance banned by the league. In at least three other violations, Williams tested positive for marijuana. Several sources have claimed that the substance in the latest positive test was not marijuana. In the lengthy appeals hearing, it is believed that attorney David Cornwell, who represented Williams, claimed that the positive test was inconsistent with his client's behavior over the past year. A former league counsel, Cornwell helped craft the NFL's substance abuse guidelines, is eminently familiar with the policy and has represented many players in the past in the appeals process. One of the witnesses who testified in support of Williams in the appeal was Dolphins coach Nick Saban. For his career, Williams, the first-round draft choice of the New Orleans Saints who was traded to Miami in 2002, has rushed for 7,097 yards and 47 touchdowns on 1,757 carries. The former University of Texas star has appeared in 82 games and started 73 times. The Dolphins recently re-signed backup tailbacks Sammy Morris and Travis Minor, but neither figures to provide them the kind of productivity that Williams did in 2005. Information from ESPN.com senior writers Len Pasquarelli and John Clayton contributed to this report.

I was reffering to the people that say getting a rookie in this draft will help more so then Jacobs or Ward. Nobody regardless of it being a rookie or Jacobs/Ward, nobody will come in and make up for the loss of Tiki. People expect that if we sign a rookie he can come in and we will have no worries. If Tiki gets hurt we are screwed. Jacobs is much bigger then the average defender who will get a clean enough shot, his weight alone will help prevent injuries. Even saying Jacobs chances of getting popped are more likely then a little back is stupid. I have seen plenty of smaller guys get cleaned. But saying he will get hurt is rediculous. Anybody can get hurt no matter their size. The risk increase for the smaller backs more so then anything. They want him to lower his shoulders to break more tackles and give less of a midsection for defenders to target.

Its funny when people use Curtis Martin as their crutch to balance this out. Tiki means too much to us, Martin meant that much to the Jets. You can not prepare for a loss of that magnitude. Period. Expecting an unproven rookie to do so is rediculous, just as expecting Jacobs to. Every year it is guaranteed that there will be good talent available at the RB position. RB is the easiest transition from college to NFL. If Tiki would happen to go down to injury and Jacobs doesnt look to be the answer we can then draft one the following year. As of right now Jacobs still has tons of potential and has the ability to be an every down back. Please you need to explain to me why Jacobs will be nicked up more so then the next guy... Jacobs being an over sized back isnt a factor at all. If anything that helps him.

I dont hold Moss's size against him like many do. An easy rebutle to the fact that Moss is very much like his brother and Smith in size is, "well there has been plenty of midgets that have failed and arent in the NFL now". I dont buy into that at all, and think that is a very unfair assetment of Sinorice. Sinorice is a very good prospect in his own right, should he be hyped because of the recent success of Smith and his brother? Well yea and no. Since the "new" rule 2 years ago DBs have really struggled vs the smaller quicker WR. We seen that first hand in our second game vs the Redskins and in the playoff loss vs Carolina. We know how important a player like that can be to an offense, especially if he can develop like those two. Moss did very well in all of the drills and although hasnt had the most success at the college level he has all the skills necessary to make a fine transition to the NFL just like his brother and Smith. The midget also known as Sinorice Moss, has a 42" vertical jump, the best at his position in the draft. Chad Jackson ran the fastest 40 for a WR at 4.36, Moss ran a 4.38. If you remember the senior bowl Moss actually blew by Tye Hill for a TD, Hill who is considered the fastest of every prospect this year. Moss has amazing acceleration which would be a great complement to Toomer, Plax, and Shockey. He would help bring a new demension and look to our offense. Moss isnt just speed he also has soft hands and can bring in the tough catch. Believe me, his comparisons to his Brother go far beyond his name, and his comparsions to Smith go far beyond his size. It seems risky to take a reciever that early who wont contribute much right away on offense and who wont see the field very often while we are on special teams. Especially since there will be equal talent available at other positions at that point. But trashing him as a player because he is an undersized reciever is rediculous considering two of this years best recievers were "midgets". Im not saying Moss is going to be as good as Smith or Santana but he has the potential to be very effective and thats what you're dafting with any prospect in any draft. His potential. Am I pulling for Sinorice? no, theres a few prospects I like at 25, some I think will make a better selection and a better overall player. Would I be disappionted if he is drafted? no, because he has the talent to be a very dangerous wideout in this league. The only reciever I would feel comfortable taking in the 1st is Chad Jackson. He has everything it takes to be a great WR. Chances are he isnt going to be there when we pick. If its Moss I would prefer to go in a different direction, because Carter can still make defenses worry about his speed and ability to stretch the field (when Healthy). Although we dont use our 3rd reciever much anyway a player like Jackson would be nice to have as an eventual replacement to Toomer. If Moss is there in the second round, we take him with out even thinking twice... But he wont be there that late in the second.

Defense is definitely the side of the ball were the most attention will be but we cant overlook positions on the offensive side of the ball. I wouldnt rule out us drafting an OT with in the first 3 rounds, a WR might sneek up in there as well. Although the majority of the picks will be defense, there might be a few positions on offense like WR and OT that will get attention at some point during the draft. Dont be surprised if we go in those directions early. Im well aware of our needs of a DT, LB, CB, and possible S but im also aware of the depth in the draft at WR and OT compared to the depth at those positions. Keeping in mind you draft players not positions, BPA will always be a factor.

The Texans 2nd-33rd overall, 4th-98th overall, and 6th-170 overall arent enough for that 25th pick. Im also assuming he meant Sinorice Moss not Santana. Going by a draft pick value chart our 25th overall pick is worth 720 points. The 33rd= 580, the 98th= 108, and the 170th= 24. The Texans draft picks they are willing to send are valued at 712 total points. They wouldnt even meet our picks worth. Is 8 points something to squabble about? Yea. In order for us to trade back they need to go out and beyond our picks worth, so its worth it for us to trade back. They want the trade they are going to have to come get it, we wouldnt do that deal because we could do much better. The Texans have two 3rd round picks they will have to seperate from one of those. In 2004 the Cowboys traded out of the first from the 22nd pick. The Bills gave a 2nd, a 5th, and their 2005 first round pick.

Pretty solid list although I like Joseph, Mahelona, and Croyle. Im really glad Byrd made the list though. He left a sour taste in my mouth after I seen him pull up for a pass over the middle because he ws on the verge of getting hit. If he's pulling up in college he wont make it as an NFL TE.