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2 SBs in the last 7 years can save a lot of jobs. But are the right guys being held accountable? I don't think so.

Nobody is saying you are. We are just saying he isn't a starter. Fine on specials and as a back up but thats it. He and Herz are restricted FAs. We'll give them the lowest tender and they'll be back next season. Hopefully as back ups. Although Herz doesn't fit our defense well he is our best STs player.

I see what you're saying but with Mara's recent comments I think that changes this year. Also, we have a list of needs and we need to get the most out of that 12 pick. Unless a player like Mack falls to us I think trading back is in our best interest.

Maybe we're watching different Paysingers then. He's fine as a back up but not a starter.

I don't see how getting rid of Pope and Ingram help.. Only time will tell, I guess.

Its early yet but right now the only LB at 12 I like is Khalil Mack. Mosley seems like a fine prospect but is he top 15 pick worthy? I'm not so sure he is. As it stands now, I want to trade back and acquire more picks.

Lol are you guys really arguing about weight? Conner can't stay healthy but he's decent at best when he is. I like him for depth and sub packages not to rely on him as a every down starter. Dansby should be our first choice but I think he lands in western New York instead. Daryl Smith, a Boley return, and even Urlacher should also be considered.. We need a leader that will help bring an identity to our D. 1st choice - Dansby - veteran presence still plays at a high level. 2nd choice - Urlacher - Although not what he once was, a liability in some areas but still a leader and brings an identity/attitude. 3rd choice - Smith - Versatile veteran who could give us some flexibility with our backers.

My favorite pick of this draft. Very young with plenty of time to learn behind some very good pass rushers. I noticed he's very good at using his long arms.

I questioned this at first but after thinking about it I can make sense of Jones thinking. Seeing that everyone wanted to trade back the value wasn't going to be there in a trade, it was a take what you can get deal. The cowboys were on record for saying they only felt there were 16 first rounders in this draft and they wanted to trade back, which is understanding considering all their needs. They signed Romo to a big contract but also told him they'll get him OL help. So they trade back acquire another pick and draft a guy who was a 2nd-3rd round projection. Maybe not the smartest but he was rated the highest Center on a lot of boards. Do you take the 7th best tackle or the best Center on your board? Frederick is an immediate starter for them so the value is there. And honestly who are we to judge we took a 2nd round projected OL at 19.

My hopes are he's the next Max Unger. College tackle moved to Guard then finally Center where he's a top 5 player. He's not a tackle. I think he'll compete at LG immediately then eventually move to C but for now he's a top reserve.

Arthur Brown LB

I think its one of the FSU DE's. Werner or Tank.

Nobody knows for sure yet what the issue is with Wilkinson, some will assume it's lack of motivation others say he didnt fit Marinelli's scheme. Marinelli likes fast, quick DTs, Wilkinson is a run stuffer who occupys olineman. Yea the type of DT we need. In the '94 draft Wilkinson was actually the first overall pick by the Bengals. Wilkinson also has started 48 straight games for the Lions, that does leave reason to believe there is NO motivation problems. One of the few things to hint around to Wilkinson lacking motivation is he hasnt reported for any of Marinelli's off-season voluntary workouts. Shaun Cody is the player who is now replacing Wilkinson in Detriot, who is a much better fit for Marinelli's D. It was rumored Wilkinson was contemplating retirement, many think he waited too long to inform the Lions and they decided to move on. To my knowledge Wilkinson hasnt ever publicly stated he is contemplating retirement, it's my understanding that was all speculation because Millen hadn't heard from him.

Jaguars WR Smith retires after 12 seasons NFL.com wire reports JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (May 11, 2006) -- Jimmy Smith, one of the most prolific receivers in NFL history, has decided to retire. Smith, a five-time Pro Bowl selection who overcame several health problems and a drug addiction during his 12 seasons, scheduled a news conference Thursday with the Jacksonville Jaguars to announce his decision. His retirement was first reported by FoxSports.com. The 37-year-old receiver led the Jags with 70 catches for 1,023 yards and six touchdowns last season. He ranks seventh in NFL history with 862 receptions and 11th in receiving yards. He has more receptions than every receiver in the Hall of Fame, and only Marvin Harrison has more catches and yards receiving than Smith since 1996. Smith contemplated retirement during the offseason, but Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio asked him to take his time and be sure he was making the right choice. His announcement came a day before the team opened a three-day minicamp. The veteran Jimmy Smith was the final link to the Jaguars' inaugural season in 1995. The veteran Jimmy Smith was the final link to the Jaguars' inaugural season in 1995. Smith's longevity was surprising -- even to him -- especially considering what he overcame. In 2001, he had three operations to remove scar tissue from his abdomen. Some questioned whether he would play again, but he caught 112 passes for 1,373 yards -- despite being arrested in November that year for suspicion of drunken driving. Tests later revealed he had cocaine in his system. He vehemently denied using the drug. He was suspended for the first four games of the 2003 season for violating the league's substance-abuse policy. He then publicly acknowledged an addiction and spent several weeks in rehab. He had other issues early in his career, too. The third receiver selected in the 1992 draft behind Desmond Howard and Carl Pickens, Smith broke his leg and missed most of his rookie season. In 1993, he needed an emergency appendectomy and suffered through infection and stomach problems. He missed the entire year. He didn't play in 1994, either, after getting cut by Dallas and Philadelphia. In 1995, he caught on with the expansion Jaguars after his mother sent coach Tom Coughlin a binder of press clippings to help him earn a tryout. He made the most of his chance and set receiving records that could be hard to break.

I agree, although I was getting tired of seeing him on ESPN. He was the face of the Texans franchise and I would really like to still see him apart of this league.

Casserly was football face of the franchise Pasquarelli By Len Pasquarelli ESPN.com Archive The resignation of Houston Texans general manager Charley Casserly on Wednesday afternoon, a departure which culminated months of speculation and finally confirmed one of the league's worst-kept secrets, officially ended an era for the team. It also ended, most Texans observers agree, a way of doing business for the franchise. Since his arrival in Houston in early 2000, more than 30 months before the Texans ever set foot on the field for their initial practice, Casserly has been at the very top of the team's football structure. He handpicked the members of one of the league's deepest scouting staffs, had considerable input into the hiring of Dom Capers as the first head coach, struck back-room deals with other general managers anxious to unload salary-bloated veterans like Tony Boselli in the expansion stocking draft of 2002, and left his fingerprints on virtually every personnel move the Texans made, both big and small, during their brief existence. Even as Bob McNair increased his sway in the league, quietly flexing his money muscles as one of the new age/high-revenue owners who view the NFL as more business than sport, Casserly remained the face for the football end of the franchise. He was a patient and accommodating go-to guy for the media and for folks who wanted to talk about linebackers flowing to the football, instead of cash flow issues. But with Casserly's departure, probably to the NFL offices to replace Art Shell as vice president of football operations, there figures to be pretty significant change of football structure for an organization that has just 18 victories in four seasons. Not only will the name change on the door to the general manager's office, but the job description almost certainly will be altered, too. Whoever supplants Casserly as general manager, and the list of alleged candidates has been whispered for weeks, might replace him nominally. But the next person who steps into the general manager's position with the Texans definitely will take a step down from the lofty perch Casserly held for a half-dozen years. The franchise's second general manager is likely to function more as a personnel director, or the director of football operations, and won't possess the degree of encompassing influence that Casserly enjoyed. Then again, in the last several months, it's been obvious that not even Casserly maintained the same kind of clout that he held earlier in his Texans' tenure. Ownership brought in longtime NFL coach Dan Reeves as a consultant for the final month of a disastrous 2005 season. Capers was sent packing. Even though Casserly insisted he never felt Reeves undermined him or was peeking over his shoulder 24/7, the veteran general manager could divine the tea leaves as easily as reading a scouting report. Casserly's house, available for virtual tour on a Houston real estate Web site, has been on the market for months. Everyone knew his job would soon be vacant, too. McNair, who has invested much in the franchise and garnered little dividend, has assumed a more active role. That was obvious in the selection of defensive end Mario Williams over tailback Reggie Bush with the first pick in last month's draft. First-year coach Gary Kubiak also has incorporated more power than predecessor Capers ever had. Chief negotiator Dan Ferens, who works the contracts and whose family finally will move to Houston full-time from Pittsburgh, is held in deservedly high regard and might move up the organization flowchart. And the new personnel man, someone who almost certainly will have strong ties to Kubiak, will complete a key front office foursome. The Minnesota Vikings' so-called "triangle of authority" already has cracked, with personnel director Fran Foley dismissed after just three months on the job. So maybe Houston is going one better -- after all, things always have to be bigger in Texas -- with a "rhombus of responsibility." Whatever the geometry of the reshaped Texans football organization, the structure will be different. Casserly never had the only word on football matters over the last six years. But, until recently, he typically had the last word. And when a team finishes last in the league, and first in the draft order, the guy with the last word eventually is held accountable. For whatever reason, all of Casserly's hard work -- and he is known in league circles as tireless -- didn't add up to many victories. Only one expansion franchise since 1976, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, recorded fewer wins (17) in its first four seasons than did the Texans 2002-2005. And the laughingstock Bucs actually advanced to the NFC championship game in their fourth season. In the Texans' fourth campaign, they won half as many games, two, as they did in their 2002 debut season. Ever the good soldier and the class act, Casserly took the bullet for the Texans, right to the end. To take his place, the Texans figure to position a small army now at the barricades. Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com. To check out Len's chat archive, click here Insider.

Casserly resigns as Texans GM ESPN.com news services HOUSTON -- Houston Texans general manager Charley Casserly resigned Wednesday, ending months of speculation that intensified in recent weeks after the team used the No. 1 pick to draft defensive end Mario Williams. Casserly had been with the Texans since the expansion franchise joined the league six years ago. The Texans played their first season in 2002. "I've been in this league 29 years," Casserly said. "I spent a lot of time talking about this with my family. We came to the same conclusion -- the time was right to move on." Casserly met with Texans owner Bob McNair on Wednesday morning, telling McNair he wanted to pursue a job in the NFL office in New York. He also met with the Texans' coaching staff and contacted Houston's scouts. Casserly will officially step down on June 1. "I have an interest in doing other things right now," Casserly said. McNair said Casserly was not fired. He said he had no replacement candidates in mind. "I have talked to no one. I have no list," McNair said. Candidates for the opening in Houston are expected to include former Atlanta Falcons personnel chief Ron Hill and current Denver Broncos director of pro scouting Rick Smith. The Texans went 2-14 in 2005, prompting the firing of Dom Capers, the franchise's first coach. Gary Kubiak was hired and was disappointed to see Casserly go. "I have grown very fond of him," Kubiak said. "We had a lot of work to do to try to get this thing headed in the right direction. We've had a good four months together. I wish it would be longer, but I understand the business." Casserly, 57, joined the Texans in 2000, after 23 years with the Washington Redskins. He started with the Redskins as an unpaid intern under Hall of Fame coach George Allen and was hired as a scout the next season. The Redskins elevated Casserly to assistant general manager in 1982, the year the franchise won its first Super Bowl. Casserly became Washington's GM in 1989. Casserly's first big move came in 2002, when the Texans drafted David Carr. He also participated in the search that landed Kubiak. Casserly said he wanted to stay with the team through the NFL draft, but he and the Texans drew plenty of criticism when they selected Williams -- and not Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush or University of Texas star Vince Young. Casserly defended the decision on Wednesday, promising the Texans would quickly improve. "Our record is what our record is," Casserly said. "But I think this ballclub will make a dramatic jump this year in caliber of play. Eventually, the wins will come. With the offseason we had, I feel really good about it." Kubiak said the Texans now face a pivotal decision in finding Casserly's successor. "This is a huge hire for our organization," he said. "There's a lot of good things going on. The key thing is we have to do our homework and make sure they keep heading in that direction. "This person has to be a great fit for what's happening right now with the Houston Texans." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

Kyle Turley. Is that who you mean?

The only first rounder that will bust IMO is McCargo. There might be quite a few that disapoint and dont live up to those first round expectations but overall I thought this was a solid first round of talent, a lot of which that spilled into the second.

Yea I do too because of the injuries we always suffer at that position but carrying 4 tackles this season could really screw things up.

Im not saying you have him as a pro bowl calibur WLB, my problem was with you saying he is the best WLB on the team when there is nothing to back that up. We know very little of Emmons as a WLB. One of the reasons I think less of him then you do is because of the way that all played out last year. When Emmons returned after missing just one game in the beggining of the year, Griesen held the WLB spot from him for the remainder of the season. Emmons could not get it back from a guy who we didnt even try to resign. Instead they decided to split his time with Torbor. Im not trying to bank on the Seahawks success, but plenty of teams have done just fine with rookie(s) starting on D. I honestly dont think 1 rookie starting at WLB would make a difference, especially since Emmons is the other option. Im not saying you're wrong because we both dont really know. I feel since the medical staff only ruled him out for the Raiders game and was uncertain but said he was doubtful for the 1st playoff game. To me that meant there was a possiblility for him to be back after that first playoff game if we would have won. 1. Pierce 2. Arrington 3. Torbor 4. Wilkinson 5. Short 6. Blackburn Yea I can see that happening becuase I dont have Emmons rated high as a WLB and obviously if Arrington and Torbor are at SLB there is no need for him over there. Not only does his effectiveness at WLB worries me, his durability also worries me. If he cant stay healthy then he isnt dependable and to be quite honest I want LBs we can count on. If its Short or Emmons, give me Short for that simple reason. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, thats probably the first time I ever had to say that to you for as long as I can remember. I mean you and me have always pretty much agreed on everything. But we'll have to wait and see how this all turns out. We both want the best players on the team so let them battle it out in training camp. I dont think Emmons is a lock and you seem to, so we'll leave it at that. But I'll tell you what bruh, if Emmons is shown the door Im going to be walking around here with my chest out, strutting my shit thats for damn sure. Good talk, Later Money.

We have carried 6 recievers the last few years, I think we could do that again. Tyree will be listed more as a special teams player.

I see what you're saying Armstead98.

Do you remember the start of last season? Emmons never played WLB in the 4-3 defense before, but they wanted to move him there to make room for Torbor on the strong side. Arrington has played WLB for the majority of his career thats how I know he can play WLB for us now. Im saying if Wilkinson cant hack it out at WLB Arrington can play it, and Torbor can start at SLB. Bro, Wilkinson and Short can back up both positions thats the versatility I was talking about. And please you have to tell me why you are so high on Emmons as a WLB... let me in on the secret. His entire career in the 4-3 defense has been at SLB. What makes you think Emmons is far superrior to the other WLBs we have on roster when we didnt even offer a contract to the guy who pretty much stole the starting WLB spot last year from Emmons. My point in mentioning Arringtons versatility is to prove we arent screwed if Emmons is released or beatin out of a roster spot in camp. Like I said before you are gonna have to do better then listing his versatility and his NFL experience in order to convince me or the rest of us that Emmons is the best option at WLB without even going into camp. Again why are you so high on Emmons as a WLB? I dont understand this. Why are you ruling out Wilkinson just becuase he is a rookie? You would think watching the Seahawks this past season or even the Chargers or any team, LBs can make an impact early on. You dont have to answer those questions my point is both are equally unproven as a WLB. They labled it as a partial tear. You're right the injury doesnt heal in a couple weeks, but he injuried it before the first Redskins game. He missed that game, the 49ers game and the Vikings game. He played the following weeks while reinjurying it, he missed the KC game, the Redskin game, and the Raiders game. Emmons believed he could have been back for the 1st playoff game thats why he went public about with his emtions. The Medical staff wasnt sure of his return. The Giants IR'ed him when worst case scenario could have been the conference championships or the superbowl. You'll have to show me where it says vetern LBs cant be released at the end of training camp.