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Besides those four, I dont know if you can find too many others that dont like this signing. Most of us realize we got a very good player at a very reasonable price.

I was thinking the same thing. Also I would like to point out EA and Joe Paterno are close friends. You would think EA made a call to JoePa inreference to his "freelancing" remark. Greg Williams is a different type of cordinator then Lewis. Williams is all about scheme and his system. Lewis gives his players a little more slack and doesnt have the "big head" Greg Williams has. Even then, if Arrington was such a liability why would Pierce make the effort and be the driving force behind the Lavar signing? WLBs are supposed to make plays, Lavar makes plays. We havent had a backer make plays in a long time. We got a great deal and didnt overpay so kudos to Abrams. Lavar is an impact LB who gives us an attitude we were desperately lacking. I dont see how you cant be happy with this signing. If you're a Giants fan you most likely have a love for the defense. Arrington is a much needed upgrade to our D.

I posted this on another board I figured it would be good for here as well. This was in response to a clipping that the Browns are interested in trading down. We would most likely have to give our 1st, 2nd, and our 3rd to get to 12 overall. Not all draft pick value charts are the same but thats the general idea. 12= 1200 points 25= 750 points 56= 340 points 89= 145 points We would have the chance at getting Ngata or Bunkley with that 12th pick. If Ngata is available though the Browns wont be trading back. Savage said he would love to have Ngata and is very high on him. The Ravens said they would love to pick his pocket and move up and steal Ngata from him.

I think drafting a RB should be out of the question. Sure it would be tempting if a player like DeAngelo Williams is there but 1 thing is for certain when it comes to the draft every year, there is always a good talent at RB. RB is the easiest transition of any position to the NFL. We dont need a guy on roster "grooming". We have 4 good RBs on roster right now. We dont need one. Brandon Jacobs still has tons of potential and IMO can still be an everydown back in the NFL. If Tiki goes down we are screwed no matter who is replacing him. You cant prepare for a loss like that.

Just for laughs, before I leave for the night

Some Lavar highlights You have to ignore the Ramsey clips and turn off the volume to your speakers. Some fruity Redskin fan put this together for the departures of Ramsey and Arrington. Man, they are hating that Lavar signed with us right now.

Here's another clip from you tube. Lavar levels Kosier Kosier recently signed with Dallas to replace Larry Allen at LG.

Chris Samuels is 310, Khalif Barnes-310, Jamaal Brown making the switch to LT is 313. Walter Jones the leagues best LT is 308lbs. Weight isnt an issue with Winston, its his left knee. He also struggles vs speed rushers. I think Winston is better suited for RT to start his career. Same with Andrew Whitworth.

Hound, the Ohio St game winning touchdown pass was a threaded pass to a closely covered reciever. I've seen more then enough times where Vince Young is set to pass and defenders are in his face. Whats a Vince Young pass with out defenders in his face? A flick of the wrist and the ball is tossed 40 yards down field. Did you happen to catch the Oklahoma game? He did that countless times including a 60 yard strike he made look way too easy that went for a TD. The Texas offense was designed for Vince, with two checks and then Vince can use his legs. Mack Brown actually commented on that at one point during the season. Point is Vince Young has everything it takes to be an all-pro QB. He is a much better overall QB prospect then Vick was when Vick left early, and we all know how high Vick was selected. Young still has things to work on but what QB coming out of college doesnt?

You're right. Reggie Bush does some amazing things and so has Vince but in Reggies biggest game of his career vs ND this past season he wasnt the won who won the game for USC, Matt did. In Youngs two biggest games the OSU game and the National Championship, Young won both of those practically by himself. He didnt have a Heisman runner up as a teamate or the nations best oline. Vince Young was a one man wrecking crew.

Hound I have to ask you, in your opinion, what position is the most important position on the football field? We should both agree that it is QB, am I right? What do you look for in your QB? Me, I look for leadership first and foremost. I told you Im an intangibles type of guy, so im also big on character. Second I look to see if he performs well in the clutch. Third, wins. Fourth, the ability to take over and control a game, the X factor. After that effiency and turnovers. Finally arm strength and accuracy. Vince Young is 22 years old, a national champion, and one of the best prospects to enter this years draft class. You think im crazy? Well maybe I am. Let me set it straight from the start though, Im not a Texas fan and Im not from Houston, I have no reason to be bias. A 6'5″ 230-pound quarterback with superior athleticism and hard to find leadership shouldnt be over looked. The fact that he is the first QB ever to pass for 3,000 yards and rush for a 1,000 all in one season should not be over looked. If you look at the direction of pro QBs, most of them are guys who can move and throw. Young is perhaps one of the best to ever do so. A lot of people compare Vick to Young. Well Vick went number 1 overall in a draft with LaDanian Tomlison. Vick is absolutely outstanding at two things, running and throwing the ball far. He struggles reading the field and with accuracy. Young has far better accuracy than Vick and a completely different type of runner. Vick displays his unbelievable speed and ridiculous agility. Young runs by everyone but it never looks like he is running hard. He makes people miss but rarely does more than a sidestep. Rarely have I seen him run down from behind in a game. For being 6'5" 230lbs thats incredible. Young also ran for almost twice as many yards per season than Vick did at Virginia Tech. Before the 2nd game of the season Young took action. After practice he wrote a challenge on a dry erase board: Anyone who wants to beat Ohio St. show up for 7 on 7. That turned into 11 on 11. It was then when Young gave Texas the sort of attitude and desire it would take to become national champs. That OSU game would become one of the defining games of the season for Texas and would hold one of the defining moments of Youngs career. Young single handedly defeated one of the best defenses in College football with his legs as well as his arm. With 2 1/2 minutes left in the game Young threw the game winning pass to Sweed between a narrow gap of two defenders and the sideline. Later that season he would go on to defeat arguebly one of the best college football teams of all time for the National Championship. Vince Young is now Texas most winning QB in school history, he is also the NCAAs 7th all time QB in winning percentage. He was just a junior, he is only 22 years old. Young has everything you look for on the field and off the field. After the Texas A&M game Young stuck around for an hour and signed every kids shirt that was there. Young is also heavily involved in the longhorn leaders program as well as a constant face in Austin area schools, at charity events and as a motivational speaker. Young is everything you can ask for in a QB for todays game. He has it all, to me there are few better. Young will come out of this draft as the best player.

Just new info on the Arrington visit Giants | More about Arrington visit Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:11:42 -0700 The Associated Press reports free agent LB LaVar Arrington (Redskins) took a physical for the New York Giants Thursday, April 20. His visit sparked more talk that the linebacker may be on the verge of signing with the Giants. While meeting with the media to discuss the upcoming NFL Draft April 29, Giants general manager Ernie Accorsi was bombarded with questions about Arrington and declined to go into detail including where the physical took place or the results. "He has had a physical with us," Accorsi said. "That's all that's taken place. If this triggers another round of hysteria, it will be inaccurate just like the last round. Nothing has happened in the negotiations. Obviously, you're not even going to think about a player without a physical examination. Now we have that."

For me the only player I would even think about trading up for is Bunkley. I would rather sit or trade back.

A lot of times players are rated higher if the person who created the draft board likes certain individuals. Others take some things into consideration more so then others. For me its Intangibles. I will have to disagree with Hound and say that there is one QB who is deserving of being rated in the top 5. Thats Vince Young.

Is that your updated mock in your sig? I like Demeco Ryans. Any of the backers that have that late first round grade would be excellent choices. Sim, Greenway, Carpenter, Ryans would all be great choices. Two weakside backers with your first two picks... im not too crazy about that. Looking at Jon Alston on paper (the times and stats) he looks great but I have never seen him play so I cant endorse him. Alston would be a very good special teams contributer but again he and Ryans are WLBs. I cant see us taking two wills in the first two rounds. You have Dvoracek in the third, if we are trading up in the third then I can see that happening. If not Dvoracek doesnt make it that deep into the round. Currently I have Dusty as an option for our second round pick, a bit of a reach but still deserving of the pick. Blackmon is a solid pick, decent developmental type prospect but would be brought in and drafted for special teams. Currently we are set at returners we dont need him. So you would be drafting him for corner when we could do better then him. Hixon seems like a decent prospect with blazing speed. We dont have a 6th round pick. I like Shawn Willis. Hes that old school type blocking FB. He'll most likely go undrafted and make someones practice squad to start but should develop into a good nfl FB with some time. I would like to have him on our PS developing. Overall I give you a B, although you could target OT a little sooner and draft a better prospect at CB in round 4.

I dont like taking a WR in round 2. I like Dvoravcek as a 2 round DT. I dont think he last that deep into the third. If we want him we will have to reach just a little bit.

Yea I doubt it too and to be quite honest, I dont even care if we get him. Im sure most fans are starting to feel the same way. Just sign somewhere already so we can move on. If we get him great, if not we draft one. Im happy either way.... Unless its Thomas Howard in the first.

You've probally noticed Money is on now and has a thread started. An updated draft board will be up shortly.

That could happen if Carpenter were to beat out Torbor in camp. I would be perfectly happy with that LB group. It would be much improved over last years that is for sure.

As of right now, yea. The only way the rookie isnt in the starting line up is if we sign Lavar. Having a rookie backer starting really isnt all that bad. Seattle reached the superbowl and had a very stout defense all year long with 2 starting rookies at linebacker. One was the leader and starting MLB. If Seattle can have that kind of success with two rookies starting at backer, one calling the plays and making the reads... Then we can have success with one rookie starting at WLB making the plays. Any of the backers we can get in the first round (Sims, Greenway, Carpenter, Ryans) could all start from day one.

Im an assistant but all pms were sent to Money. Im sure Money had something of a last minute conflict and should return shortly. If he doesnt return by 8:15 I'll do my best to get the draft rolling. You have to understand why im being so hesitant, I dont want to make incorrect picks if pms were sent in with a list of players.

We will continue to use the same D. We are not switching to a base 3-4, Osi and Strahan would both be less effective. Why do that to your best players on D? We use the 4-3 defense with some 3-4 blitzing schemes and variations, nothing will change. Its still to early to tell with the Linebackers. Signing Short could mean Emmons is a goner now or after camp. Or it could mean Blackburn has just been upgraded over. What we are going to do is still very unclear.

Ya know I really like this signing. Short played very hard for us and being a Penn State fan I was happy when he was drafted. Short is versatile although he played primarly SLB for us he can play MLB. This is a very good move for our depth and our special teams. This could allow us to release Emmons or it could mean Short could be the primary backup to Pierce. Short is a very good special teams player and is very capable of starting if needed. I love his intesity and passion for the game, it really shows when he is on the field. Does this effect us signing Lavar? No it doesnt. Short isnt going to play WLB and niether is Emmons. The money will ultimately determine whether or not we sign Lavar. Also this does not determine whether or not we are going to resign Griesen. The only way Griesen is even considered is if Lavar isnt signed and we feel Griesen is the best option available. But resigning Griesen doesnt determine what we will do early in the draft because we still will need a starting WLB. Regardless this Short signing does not effect our draft but will leave us with some different directions to go after camp.

Wroten tackling character issues Pasquarelli By Len Pasquarelli ESPN.com Archive Written by LSU defensive tackle Claude Wroten, the letter arrived in the personnel offices of all 32 NFL teams last week with purposely impeccable timing, as general managers and scouts were about to convene for the final round of evaluation sessions that would help determine the shape of their draft boards. Filled with sincerity and simple, declarative sentences, it is a missive with a message, authored by a young man with concerns for his future and contrition over some elements of his past. And it represented one final visit to the confessional by a highly regarded draft prospect for whom the past two months have principally been an exercise in full disclosure. "My approach has been to put all the cards on the table, spill my guts, just give them all of the details," Wroten said of his past problems with marijuana. "Hide nothing, you know? The whole truth and nothing but the truth, or however they say it. I bring the stuff up before scouts even have a chance to ask about it. I look them right in the eye and tell them everything that happened." The truth may set some people free and it will, on occasion, send many others into a perilous free fall. The honesty of Wroten, it seems, has helped the former LSU star avoid the latter situation. While there remains a chance Wroten will slide out of the first round, depending on how some of the other tackles come off the board in the early stages of the draft, his candor helped guarantee he will not spiral out of the first day. That isn't the case with every draft prospect whose résumé includes character-related issues. A lot of players are naive in believing that past indiscretions might somehow escape the notice of league researchers or the close scrutiny of team decision makers, and some try to figuratively nudge such incidents under the rug. Some are outright duplicitous or disingenuous and others deal in half-truths. At the NFL combine sessions in February, and at subsequent interviews with individual teams, former Virginia Tech quarterback Marcus Vick, dismissed from the team after a series of off-field incidents, is said to have been fairly open with scouts who have questioned him. Under public cross-examination, however, Vick has been perceived as a prospect only partially willing to accept culpability for some of the events that have probably pushed him into the second day of the draft. Of course, teams don't juggle their draft boards or make determinations on a prospect's viability based on the public's perception of a player. And in the case of Vick, it is difficult to assess the impact on his draft status, since no one ever had a very good read on the former Hokies star. But some scouts acknowledged that if a player comes across as less than forthright, even in his dealings with the media, it could have some trickle-down effect on his draft status. One NFC director of scouting assessed Vick as "a guy who will take responsibility … but only to a point. There's always, in his mind, it seems, an [extenuating] circumstance. He's a little bit of an excuse-maker." And making excuses usually makes scouts take pause in evaluating a prospect's off-field issues. Longtime personnel director Ken Herock, who is now retired from the league, operates ProPrep, a service via which he counsels draft prospects on the interview process. Herock advises players to be candid when they meet with teams. From firsthand experience, Herock knows the level of examination to which teams now go in examining a player's background, and the sometimes bulky dossiers assembled on prospects. His simple advice: Hide nothing. "Some guys listen," Herock said, "and some guys don't." Wroten apparently was not only a good listener but also an even better talker, scouts agree. At the combine, Wroten began most interviews by conceding to scouts that, while the incident never went public and didn't draw a suspension, he tested positive for marijuana during his junior season. Then, even more painfully, Wroten, a country kid from Bastrop, La., with zero pretense about him, detailed the events of Jan. 4. That's when Wroten was pulled over for speeding near Sterlington, La., and police discovered a cache of marijuana and $4,000 in his car. Arrested and charged with possession of marijuana and intent to distribute, Wroten spent several hours in the Ouachita Correctional Center before making bail. A month later, prosecutors decided not to pursue the charges because of a lack of evidence and some questions over the legality of the search. The technicalities aside, though, Wroten knew he had the marijuana, although he says it was for personal consumption, and he knew how close he came to having his football career go up in smoke. "You see the red lights [from the police car] in your [rearview] mirror and it's a sickening feeling," recalled Wroten, clocked at 77 mph in a 65 mph zone. "And then you remember the marijuana and it's like, 'Oh, no, man, this is bad.' You know how people say there are times they can see their whole lives flashing in front of them? Well, that's how it was. But I saw the future, too, not just the past. And I knew that the future could be disappearing for me. It's something I'll never forget. [it's] scary, way too scary to ever have happen again." And so Wroten, a two-year starter at LSU after transferring into the Tigers program from Mississippi Delta Community College, has vowed to himself it won't ever happen again. And he's made the same promise to scouts and coaches who have interviewed him. Whether they buy into his story remains to be seen. What has clearly aided his cause, though, is that it's a story Wroten volunteers to repeat every time he meets with a team official. A prototype three-technique tackle, a quick defender who can get through the gaps and penetrate and who uses his hands extremely well, Wroten is an intriguing prospect. There are scouts, in fact, who insist he is the most physically talented of the prospects who comprise a fairly impressive class of tackles in the 2006 draft. They mention him in the same elite subset as Haloti Ngata (Oregon), Brodrick Bunkley (Florida State), John McCargo (North Carolina State), Orien Harris (Miami), Gabe Watson (Michigan) and Rodrique Wright (Texas). With good reason, too, because Wroten possesses undeniable tools and seems to have the kind of natural feel for the game -- including the ability to disengage and narrow his shoulders to allow him to penetrate into the backfield -- that can't be coached. At 295 pounds, he isn't as big as some of the wide-body run stuffers a few teams prefer, but he is stout enough against the run and plays with an attacking attitude when motivated. Right now, with his dreams so close to reality that he said last week he feels like he can "reach out and grab them," Wroten is motivated. He desperately wants a career in the NFL and is moved enough to want to make one more impression on general managers and personnel directors -- and thus, the letter, just to remind them one last time of his resolve. In a league that has the toughest drug-testing program of any pro sport, Wroten figures he's going to be under scrutiny. But he also insisted he's kicked his marijuana habit and is now ready to kick some butt. "To me," Wroten said, "I'm the best defensive tackle in the draft. That's not bragging -- honest, it's just how I feel. I can't even imagine not being able to play at the next level. So I'm ready to do whatever it takes, on and off the field. People in the NFL have made it clear to me there's no place in the league for [marijuana]. That means if I'm using the stuff, there's no place for me. And I'm not going to let that happen."

Nice post Hound. I think you might be to high on Youboty, actually you ranked him #2, IMO thats way too high for Youboty. Although Youboty seems like a pretty safe pick, he's a 'jack of all trades master of none' type of guy but he does get lazy at times. He doesnt deserve the #2 ranking because I dont think he is much more then a number 2 corner. I like Joseph, Marshall, and Jennings better then Youboty. I do have Hill ranked better then Youboty, I even have Griffen ranked better. I think Williams would make a better pro safety but if I had to rank him, I would have him better then Youboty. Its not because I dont like Youboty but he is being a bit overrated because of the players who performed well recently as CB for Ohio St. Also some people think he is still a bit raw, honestly I think he has almost reached the max of his potential. Even if I would give him that "raw" grade Joseph and Marshall are both better "raw" corners.