CrazedDogs

All I have to say about ODB is this: now I get it.

Nobody is moving any goal posts --- Nicks is arguing that he's the best receiver in the league.

I don't think he even knew teams had figured him out. I am convinced that defenses were baiting the receivers last season; it looked to me like they knew what the options were and lined up to force the route that they wanted the receiver to run. Is this really a Will Beatty is awesome thread? Cool. Now I've seen everything.

Beat me to it. I just want to say, for all the ugly throws we've seen Eli make over the years, 2011 was the finest performance by a QB I've ever seen. The defense always seems to get casual credit, I guess because JPP came on the scene, but they were actually average at best in 2011. And the offense had a rapidly fading offensive line, running backs who weren't what they once were; they weren't the '99 Rams by any means. That championship was the Eli/Cruz/Nicks show, and many of the throws that Eli made that season, deep down field, while under duress, were remarkable. Eli carried that team and should have won the league MVP, in my opinion.

Fred Robbins... man, what an underrated player he was. I did forget he was hurt, but you're right, he was a big factor in the late fade that season too.

I went back and looked, he's been to a couple more pro bowls than I thought. So, maybe....

doubt it, but he's real good when he's out there.

I think 2008 was going down the tubes regardless of Plaxico. Remember what the linebackers looked like by the end of that season? Antonio Pierce lost the last step he had to spare somewhere in the first half of the season, and the defense was getting chewed up by short, quick passes.

Its not my baby, but I don't think this is a Giants site by definition. IMO, the more teams represented here, the better.

I actually meant a hypothetical future-HOF offensive lineman that the Eagles don't actually have. But Bowman is a beast.... don't know if he's a HOF player, but he's a beast.

well, that depends on just how bad the calls are. I'd love to see review applied to flags. Seen the refs beat a team way too many times.

I'm sure it did, but the 49ers were missing All Pro caliber players too. Pretty sure Aldon Smith brings more to the table than any offensive lineman you could put on the field, outside of a future hall of famer.

Discuss away, should keep us busy for a while. The Giants have plenty of shortcomings these days. I'm under no delusion that the Giants are the class of the division. Happy to see some potential from the Giants, and some fresh weaknesses out of Philly while I'm at it, but convincing wins against weak opposition don't get me very excited. And then there's the agony of a surprising Cowboys team... ugh. Anybody but Dallas.

Not if we're having an intelligent discussion, we don't. In a 3 or 4 game sample size, things like referee errors can matter a lot. It will even out in the long run, which is exactly the reason I bring it up. (I actually thought the Eagles got the short end of the stick yesterday, but probably not enough to swing the game.)

Hope he doesn't. He's a gifted thrower of the football. When he isn'tt making idiotic decisions he's making some beautiful throws.

true... my impression was that I was watching two middling teams. It was kind of a good game, but it wasn't exactly playoff caliber football either.

thats one of the plays I'm thinking of, although I don't think that one was designed to go left. No shame in losing to a good team on the road, but reports before the game were that the 49ers defense was decimated by injury. But I don't really know much about the 49ers this year though, so I don't know, that may be just ESPN bullshit.

Yeah, the blocking was bad, but I'm referring to some runs that were designed to go to the perimeter... repeatedly, 49ers defenders were beating McCoy to the corner, and made McCoy look slow while doing so. I don't know if thats entirely a blocking thing, you can't count on blockers getting to the second level and walling out linebackers on those perimeter runs - if they do, great, but thats a speed play, there should be a few yards to be had even if the linebackers come free, just so long as the play side receiver(s) don't shit the bed. So I figured McCoy had turned an ankle or something, because I'd never seen that happen to that slippery SOB before. Not like that.

I wondered about that too. And is McCoy banged up? Maybe the 49ers just have a lot of speed on defense, but I saw several San Francisco defenders beat McCoy to the corner yesterday, and beat him badly too.

lol, pretty sure I was ragging on the Eagles vaunted "conditioning advantage" in another thread just this week. They aren't as good as I thought they would be though. I mean, I figured them as an average team in a weak division. 10-6, no problem. But between the officiating gift in Indianapolis, a gift from the always brilliant Jacksonville coaching staff, and the pathetic effort from the Eagles themselves yesterday, I have doubts they're really even average. I go back and forth on them though - seems like every time I question a Chip Kelly decision, he comes up roses.

no, Peters went back in the game. So they were down 4 starters.... still, ouch. Man, that is fucking brutal when all the injuries are at one position like that.

every one?!?... that really sucks. Hows that innovative conditioning working out for them? Are all those riding the Eagles hype still convinced that the Chip Kelly magic would keep the starting 22 on the field for all 16 games again? I'm not laughing at the injuries, just at the analysts that didn't know that the 2013 Eagles were merely an average team with insanely good injury luck. There was no way that was sustainable, just no way....

I thought the Eagles would lose, but they were lucky the game was as close as it was. I knew they were lucky to be at 3-0, but they did not even look like an average team yesterday.

I wasn't always sure who that linebacker was that was getting lost on passing plays, but if you guys say that was Herzlich I believe you.

Anybody who gets to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman as his QB has earned some points in my book. I'm going to step back from the kool aide... all this game really proved is that the Redskins profoundly suck. And as long as the Giants keep winning, I'm going to keep being a negative ass.