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A trade ploy? And what is with the team and not me crap? Shockey didn't step out of line once last season. They asked Shockey to block and that is just what he did. He is doing everything the Giants are asking him to do, isn't that thinking about the team?

lol those aren't facts, thats innuendo at best. You have to wonder if this is a similar unnamed source that the Boston Herald found for its story on the Patriots taping the Rams super bowl walk through back in 2002. I will challenge people to come up with facts because there is so far an incredible lack of it. Still looking for that one word from Shockey saying he wants out. If all anyone can find is that unnamed source or a friend of a friend, well then someone help Goodall find that tape. Seriously, take a look at Chad Johnson for example. Is there any question in anyone's mind where he stands?

Wow, either Pat Hanlon has gotten much better at giving hand jobs or everyone's still drunk from the super bowl.

If Snee wants it, then give it to him. He has been The Force on the right side of the line. The only thing Whimper has done to impress me is stay on the roster.

I'm amazed how this thread has warped from rational arguments either for or against trading Shockey to posts with very little fact and plenty of opinion. I think its really sad to see so many posts telling Shockey to STFU when he has said absolutely nothing this past season. With all the talk since the super bowl about Shockey getting traded, not wanting to be here, etc. Maybe people need to start following their own advice. Now Shockey hasn't said a single word about this, not one. If anyone is foolish to believe the team is better off without Shockey, then by all means trade him. The price before and during the draft was Harper and the second round pick, now its a 2009 first round and a fourth that is conditional because if Shockey has his typical season; it gets upgraded to a second round pick. Now that is deal truly worthy of the kind of player Jeremy Shockey is.

No Giant Shocker THE 2008 Giants draft list contains seven names and no one can be sure if it's a class to remember or forget. Still, it is not too soon to already stamp the Giants as big winners after this weekend's talent grab-bag simply because they did not trade away Jeremy Shockey. Smartly, general manager Jerry Reese resisted the temptation to gain a prime draft pick (the Saints' second-rounder, the 40th overall selection) and kept Shockey where he belongs. A tight end position that at present is a strength with Shockey and Kevin Boss would have instantly devolved into a glaring weakness if Reese listened to those with short memories who turned on the once wildly-popular Shockey. The bulging tattooed biceps, the flowing blond hair and all those No. 80 jerseys? How did Shockey the phenomenon become Shockey the pariah after he got hurt and the Giants hit the road and shockingly rolled to Super Bowl glory? The case to jettison Shockey is based largely on hearsay and bogus observations. Like a spark on dry brush, the wildfire spread that Shockey is a terror around Eli Manning, that the fiery tight end browbeat the timid quarterback after every errant throw, that Shockey was a crazy man in meetings, sulking as he returned to the huddle knowing he was open with nothing to show for it. Well, anyone who thinks of Manning shrinking around Shockey like an intimidated wimp has never spent a minute around Manning. The guy didn't suddenly grow up in frigid Green Bay or in the last two minutes of Super Bowl XLII. Eli is never going to grab Shockey's facemask and tell him to stuff it, just as Shockey is never going to quietly shrink into the background. The personalities of these two athletes could not be more different and sure, Shockey can be a pain, but players look beyond that when judging a teammate. They look to how he works and if they can count on him in the clutch. Shockey has earned high marks in the tests that matter most. Can anyone possibly look at the running game failures without him (a dip of nearly one yard per game) and not conclude that Shockey's blocking is an under-appreciated ingredient? Until Shockey stands up and says, "I want out,"' reports of what he told friends and confidants should be filed under "That's Shockey" bluster. No doubt following the season he told Reese he wanted to be traded. Shockey says so much and some it of even makes sense. The emotive, fly-off-the-handle Shockey is capable of eruption but usually it's harmless steam escaping his overheated engine. The bandwagon detractors are judging Shockey by an unfair standard. Any player would have difficulty coming to grips with going down with a broken leg and then watching his team take off. Are they better without me? Do they miss me? These are perfectly normal questions for anyone. Go ask Phil Simms what was coursing through his mind as Jeff Hostetler was directing the Giants - Phil's Giants - to Super Bowl triumph. Does he care? Shockey was instructed by his medical advisors not to attend Super Bowl XLII, as he was not far removed from surgery and on crutches. He couldn't stay away and, on his own dime, limped onto a flight, accompanied by his mother, to be with the guys in Glendale, Ariz. Shockey is not expected to be with his championship team tomorrow for the traditional ceremony on the South Lawn of the White House with President Bush, but you never know. The best argument for trading Shockey is the fear that his best days are behind him, that the wear and tear and toll on his lower body has robbed him of his explosive speed. After six hard seasons, his long-term stock is not on the rise, but he should have at least two high-level years left in his tank. The Giants are better off with him. [/size][/font]

I thought Diehl did a damn good job for a guard playing tackle. Glad he's finally starting to get paid as a tackle and could be a pro bowl candidate this upcoming season.

I saw this thread and didn't want to be the one to be the pessimist, glad to see others were up for the cause. This team has the potential to go on a run of super bowl visits and so do half the other teams in the NFL. If there is one thing I'm happy to finally start seeing it is the team finally playing up to expectations and putting a consistent effort up since Coughlin has taken over to win. This team has been in a funk for 20 years, following up their successes with utter failures. It is the path that is now behind us that I hope will give this team the strength to meet the challenges before them. There is nothing harder in the NFL than repeating success and even those organizations that writers are now calling franchises of the decade struggle with it.

I agree, you also have to consider that they're always going to assume that the WR we drafted is going to replace the oldest one. I'm surprised that they haven't mentioned Robert Henderson is being groomed to replace Michael Strahan.

I noticed that one as well and stopped there. That just killed it for me. Now if this is a good example, why don't they train for this like they all train for the combine?

I remember how everyone raved about the draft Detroit had back in 2004. Roy Williams, Kevin Jones and Teddy Lehman. Millen was heralded a draft wiz that year, Lions moving in the right direction, etc. Only pick he got right was Roy Williams. Millen has only managed to get one great pick each year with the others washing out of football or landing elsewhere in the league. Its not even that hard to land the great pick because they're in the top ten every year with the exception of this year and 2001. Draft grades depend entirely on teams picking whom scouts and analysts have decided is best for the team. You go against them, your draft was horrible.

I can't really fault the Packers for taking two QB's. Rodgers I believe was drafted by Sherman, not McCarthy so you have to wonder how much is Rodgers the kind of QB that McCarthy would like to have. BTW, anyone know the name of the third string QB on the Packers? How can you pass up the opportunity on taking a projected first round QB in the second when your starter is pretty much unproven. If the Packers picked up Culpepper, he'd probably be create a QB controversy after a few bad games by Rodgers. Its the post Farve years in GB and to follow up Farve you have to be absolutely sold on your QB or turn into Miami. Hey if Rodgers does stick, trading Brohm to Miami or any number of teams out there looking for a QB in the next couple of years could pay in spades.

I'm pretty amazed how one super bowl pretty much has erased some horrible drafts and terrible offseason moves by Ernie Accorsi in the minds of some of the fans. Accorsi built the super bowl team, well he also built the 4-12 team. Some people have given up on Moss, I'd just like to point out that the exact same thing happened with the other Moss.

I'm really not impressed with this pickup. It looks good when you think he's a first round talent found in the third. When you consider the reasons he dropped from the first to the third, I get the feeling he will not even look like a third round talent in training camp this year or the next. Its not the off-field issues, I question his work ethic. You can half-ass it at the college level when you're physically better than your opponent and clearly the better receiver on the team; its a whole new game at the NFL level. Whether or not he lights a fire under Sinorice Moss is subject to debate. It was a slightly smarter choice than Moss was simply because Manningham actually can do the little things like help the return game that Moss never has.

I really liked this pick. Its encouraging to watch the team actively and aggressively move to find a viable backup to Manning.

I'm curious as to why you don't see the Giants worse off without Shockey? They lose their starting TE. Not only are we losing a capable blocker but a sizeable chunk of the offense. Sure he's been prone to injury, but he still manages to put in more than half a season. Randy Moss has been considered a liability to team chemistry, has had his fair share of injuries in the last couple of years, I suppose we can call him a former pro bowler and not an all pro WR... Well unless its just because he's Randy Moss. Shockey is signed till 2012. I'm sure the Raiders didn't think they were sending the Patriots to the superbowl when they traded Randy Moss but when you place a capable receiver on a team with a QB that can get him the ball in a good offensive scheme, you'd be surprised by the results. Well unless you're Belichick with either a crystal ball or a video camera. Sending Shockey over for just a second round pick was a bad idea, that didn't happen. For just a third round pick tomorrow or even two picks tomorrow is simply nuts.

Saints aren't the only team interested, there are the Seahawks. We're actually in the driver's seat for this one. I know its hard to believe but really think about it. We have a TE under contract, under 30, probowler. No reason whatsoever to trade him unless its worth our wild. Sure we won the super bowl without him, couldn't have gotten there without him either. Consider this, do we want to help the Saints win the super bowl next year by sending Shockey for a second round pick? The Saints will be laughing at us the same way the Patriots were laughing at the Raiders. Shockey has missed games due to turf toe, broken leg, no acls or other major knee injuries. Word is now that the Saints are balking at a second round pick and are only offering a third. Trading Shockey to the Saints is just not a good idea.

Could have been if it wasn't for his back.

wow yet another thread and newspaper story reporting nothing new. To take anything less than a first round pick for a four time probowl TE who is easily in the top ten and arguably in the top 5 at the position, well we'd be the suckers.

The Onion NEW YORK—Ousted Knicks coach and president Isiah Thomas, who presided over the team during one of the least successful and most shameful periods in its history, held a press conference Wednesday to announce that his four-year legacy of abysmal team chemistry, bloated payrolls, sex scandals, and simple losing was actually a vast psychological experiment carried out on New York City as a whole. "Congratulations, New York—I've discovered you are healthier, more resilient, and stronger than anyone would have believed," Thomas told reporters assembled to see him clean out his office, file his final report to the National Institute of Mental Health, and debrief the players and coaches who had unwittingly assisted his efforts. "Although there are indications you also have deep-seated anger issues, misplaced feelings of entitlement, and tend to live vicariously through others, overall I'm very pleased with you, and I am confident you'll come out of this a much stronger city." "I'm a bit worried, though, that you let this experiment go on as long as it did before standing up for yourselves and making it stop," Thomas added. "I had only planned for it to last a year. New Yorkers may want to work on their assertiveness in the future." Thomas confessed that he came up with the idea in late 2003 when he heard the Knicks were seriously considering hiring him to helm the organization despite the fact that he himself was known to be a demanding, contentious figure and had no real experience coaching a team or working at the administrative level. "I thought, 'That's just crazy. They must be out of their minds in New York.' And then it hit me," Thomas said. "I could probably get a huge research grant for a massive study of the affects of constant low-level trauma on large populations out of this. Within minutes, was on the phone to my man at NIMH." Thomas worked alongside behavioral psychologists with an extensive knowledge of domestic-abuse patterning, aversion dynamics, the works of B. F. Skinner, and long-term mass hysteria to assemble a comprehensive testing program. An experiment consisting of a regimen of slowly increasing stress levels and traumatic events was designed, refined, and eventually performed upon New York City and Knicks fans everywhere. "I knew that bringing in as many ball-hogs as possible, especially Stephon Marbury, would create a feeling of isolation and abandonment in the greater metropolitan area's 11 million residents," Thomas said. "And by assembling a team that consistently ranked dead last in the NBA in assists, I created a symbolic analogue for the helpless desolation of the modern urban experience that was designed to heterodyne in New York's collective psyche, prompting frequent and perhaps even violent reactions." "Worked like a charm, if you ask me," Thomas noted. Other experimental stimuli Thomas used in the experiment include misspent draft picks, sexual-harassment lawsuits, rumors of listening devices placed in the team's locker room, firing acknowledged basketball guru Larry Brown and assuming the position of head coach, and leading the Knicks to win less than 40 percent of their games over four years. "I was really proud when the chants of 'Fire Isiah' finally started," said Thomas, who intends to frame one of the fan signs bearing the slogan and display it in his home as a symbol of his success in New York. "I know I'm supposed to be objective about it—the experiment is the important thing, not the feelings of the fans—but it was a sign you were finally coming around." "I think we all learned a lot," Thomas concluded. For their part, the researchers from the National Institute of Mental Health were less enthusiastic. "I don't know what made us pick Isiah," said NIMH director Dr. Thomas R. Insel, who is weathering demands for his resignation over the Knicks' losing record and treatment of fans. "He had no psychological experience, he wouldn't listen to noted experts who tried to help him, he responded to criticism with aggression, and in four short years he all but ruined a once-proud mental health organization through arrogance and incompetence. Frankly, if you ask me, the man's insane."

Dolan has done more damage to the Knicks than Thomas ever could. Why won't he sell the team?

I'd move Groves out to OLB instead of keeping him on the line.

Have to admit I'm higher on Tyrell Johnson at this point than Kenny Phillips. Now I'm not so sure I'd want to take him with the first pick if Quentin Groves is available at 31. Both players came in for interviews with the Giants over the last two weeks but that doesn't mean much considering Aaron Ross never did.

It was the safe pick, the best one to help out that disaster.

BOOHYAH