Tempest Posted October 26, 2017 Author Share Posted October 26, 2017 QB isn't the problem or the solution. Putting Webb in this season will not answer the question is Webb capable of leading the franchise. Drafting another QB because we have a high pick simply leaves us with the same question in a new season about two different players. The team will be no closer to the playoffs or a successful NFL season. You won't have the answer to the question who is the next NY Giants QB until Eli Manning retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Drizz...I think the only question regarding QB in the offseason is whether you spend a high pick on a QB if Webb is going to be the guy going forward. That pick could be used for a blue chip LT or RB or whatever else if Webb's the guy. That's the decision that needs made that they may just punt on. Take the QB high, and if the new QB succeeds, Webb is a wasted pick. If Webb succeeds, the new QB is a wasted pick. THat's why Webb needs playing time now. Coming out of the bye would be fantastic given he'll have some extra time to prepare. Likely won't happen though. I don't thin having 2 great QBs are wasting picks... since you really won't know until playing time and when they have a decent OL... and if you have really good QBs, a team out there is willing to give you their 1st pick for one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 QB isn't the problem or the solution. Putting Webb in this season will not answer the question is Webb capable of leading the franchise. Drafting another QB because we have a high pick simply leaves us with the same question in a new season about two different players. The team will be no closer to the playoffs or a successful NFL season. You won't have the answer to the question who is the next NY Giants QB until Eli Manning retires. If you're in the school of thought that Eli is still very good which I think most of us think he's ok.. not great. and you already know he doesn't have much left in the tank, then the QB question is front and center. and right there next to it is the OL.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 If you're in the school of thought that Eli is still very good which I think most of us think he's ok.. not great. and you already know he doesn't have much left in the tank, then the QB question is front and center. and right there next to it is the OL.... I think GM is #1 followed by Head Coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I would like to see us have two high round qb prospects to develop for one last year under Manning. After that, Im completely fine with Manning sailing off into the sunset. He cant do whats being asked of him. A more athletic and less shell shocked quarterback potentially can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 I think GM is #1 followed by Head Coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Who in their right mind would want to put Webb in with this D grade offensive line and practically no WR talent around him? Do you want to get him killed? Or are you interested in seeing how well he throws the patented McAdoo 2 yard out routes to the TE and/or RB? That's basically all you'll get this season, if we put Webb in now. Fuck, you don't even need to put him in. Here's what his average game line would be with our current offense and current coaches. 25 pass attempts, 14 completions, 96 yards, 1 TD, 1, INT, 3-4 sacks, paired with 50-70 rush yards on offense, with 20 minutes of possession against the opposing team controlling the ball for 40 minutes. That's the best you get with Webb. What's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I would like to see us have two high round qb prospects to develop for one last year under Manning. After that, Im completely fine with Manning sailing off into the sunset. He cant do whats being asked of him. A more athletic and less shell shocked quarterback potentially can. I don't think Eli is shell-shocked at all... if anything he's the total opposite... having a rookie behind the current OL may destroy their psyche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I don't think Eli is shell-shocked at all... if anything he's the total opposite... having a rookie behind the current OL may destroy their psyche. Early in the season he definitely was but he seems to be more comfortable now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 It's same as last year. Some games he is and some games he isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Early in the season he definitely was but he seems to be more comfortable now. I think so too. Flowers really hasn't been bad at all lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I don't think Eli is shell-shocked at all... if anything he's the total opposite... having a rookie behind the current OL may destroy their psyche. He consistently refuses to step up in the pocket and turtles when anyone even grabs at him. Or, he throws the ball at their feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Eli is clearly jittery under this OL. I decry the two yard out routes to TEs and RBs, but it's not all on McAdoo. Much of it is Eli, as he knows or at least feels he won't have time to do much else with the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 He consistently refuses to step up in the pocket and turtles when anyone even grabs at him. Or, he throws the ball at their feet. Yes.. he has pocket presence and he hears footsteps... I don't blame him... besides he looks down field and everyone is covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 Guys... Eli Manning is under consistent pressure. He is getting hit and sacked out there. They are coming around the edges and through the middle. There is no consistent pocket. He is not imagining the pressure out there. It is real and no QB can function effectively in that environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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