Treehugger Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I'm not dismissing Jones! But even without the Flowers pick I think he'd be behind Richburg at C and Jerry at OG. But we need depth, and he'll get a fair chance. I think Flowers is going to start from day 1. I'm not sure if it will be at OG or RT. He'll have to beat Pugh out fair and square and I know Pugh will work very hard to prevent that from happening. I'm confident Jones would be an upgrade to Jerry. He also won CFL Rookie of the Year playing C, then OLineman of the Year playing LG the next year, so there's real options to mix it up with him and Richberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinBlue Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I'm confident Jones would be an upgrade to Jerry. He also won CFL of the Year playing C, then OLineman of the Year playing LG the next year, so there's real options to mix it up with him and Richberg. I can't wait to see the kid play to see if he's the real deal. Everything I've read says he's a good footballer. I think Jerry is already going to be spending time on the bench. whenever Flowers is in the game, they would have to pull Pugh or Schwartz to make room for him and Jerry has not shown he deserves to play before either of those guys. With the Flowers pick, Jerry's days are numbered. I'd be surprised if he wasn't cut before the season starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Flowers is definitely starting this season no question and probably at RG which keeps Schwartz over at LG for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I can't wait to see the kid play to see if he's the real deal. Everything I've read says he's a good footballer. I think Jerry is already going to be spending time on the bench. whenever Flowers is in the game, they would have to pull Pugh or Schwartz to make room for him and Jerry has not shown he deserves to play before either of those guys. With the Flowers pick, Jerry's days are numbered. I'd be surprised if he wasn't cut before the season starts. They brought Jerry back for depth and he is going to stay on the roster because we do lack depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I can't wait to see the kid play to see if he's the real deal. Everything I've read says he's a good footballer. I think Jerry is already going to be spending time on the bench. whenever Flowers is in the game, they would have to pull Pugh or Schwartz to make room for him and Jerry has not shown he deserves to play before either of those guys. With the Flowers pick, Jerry's days are numbered. I'd be surprised if he wasn't cut before the season starts. I think that Jerry has to stay to hedge against Schwartz injury. I think that either Jerry or Schwartz gets cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinBlue Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 The Five Reasons the New York Football Giants took Ereck Flowers: (from Giants.com via Facebook) 1. He’s all upside. After Ereck Flowers caught the eye of scouts, Giants general manager Jerry Reese, vice president of player evaluation Marc Ross and offensive line coach Pat Flaherty traveled to Coral Gables, Fla., to see the offensive lineman at Miami’s pro day. And they were sold. “There were some good offensive linemen up there, but he was the highest guy on our board where we picked him,” general manager Jerry Reese said Thursday night at the Quest Diagnostics Training Center. “We think it’s all upside with him. A couple of days ago, he just turned 21. So those are things that we like. He’s young, powerful, big, tough, he’s got a nasty streak. All of those things we like about him.” 2. He’s nasty. A common theme emerged when the Giants’ decision-makers spoke on draft night shortly after the team selected Flowers. Some of the words used to describe him were “battleship,” “aircraft carrier" and “gigantic human.” “He’s just a big, tough guy,” Reese said. “That’s one of the things when you talk to the coaches down there, it’s like this guy doesn’t take any crap from anybody. We like that and you can see that in his play. He likes to finish guys off and that kind of fits the offensive profile that we like. We like some big, tough guys with a little bit of a nasty streak. 3. He’s a tackle of the future. As the ninth overall pick, Flowers will compete right away for a spot on the offensive line. While he can play inside or out, the Giants said he is naturally a tackle and has experience on both sides. “A franchise left tackle is a rare commodity,” Ross said. “There are not many of those guys around the league and we think this guy has the ability, the upside, the potential, the toughness, the smarts and the competitiveness to be a franchise left tackle for us.” 4. The value met the need. Flowers became the third offensive lineman drafted early by the Giants in the last three years. In 2013, they selected Justin Pugh with the 19th overall pick before taking Weston Richburg in the second round last year. Together they make up a young nucleus that will try to become the foundation of the team. “We always talk about we’re going to take the best player, but we’re always cognizant of what our need is as well and we think this is a good need and a value pick for us,” Reese said. “We think this can help solidify the offensive line, so hopefully this will settle the offensive line down and we don’t have to keep talking about the offensive line as much.” 5. He is all about football. During their Miami visit, the Giants spent time and had dinner with Flowers. Additionally, they spoke to his college coaches to learn what makes him tick. “He is very quiet, but he is a smart quiet,” Ross said. “He is all about football. He is a gym rat. They tell you at [Miami] that he just hangs around the facility. He works out all the time. He is real tight with his dad and they work out together. He will come back to the facility and work out some more. He doesn’t go out and hang out. He doesn’t party. You would think down in Miami and South Beach that he would be out, but he is one of the exceptions down there. He doesn’t go out. He just wants to play football. He doesn’t want to talk about it, he just wants to be about the action, as Marshawn Lynch said.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Flowers is definitely starting this season no question and probably at RG which keeps Schwartz over at LG for now IF Flowers does play guard (I think he will play tackle though) I'd think it was LG. Schwartz has played RG most of his career, and that's where he has played better, and also you'd think for a college guy who played LT that LG would be more natural than RG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA4M Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Damn, never seen so many people be so unhappy with the 9th pick, wasn't much they could do but trade up and waste another pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinBlue Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Damn, never seen so many people be so unhappy with the 9th pick, wasn't much they could do but trade up and waste another pick. I'm happy as can be with the pick. I wanted any of the top 3 lineman (Scherff, Flowers, Peat) and would have been happy with Fowler or Leonard Williams had they fell. I agree with Jim that Peat might end up being the best of the bunch long term. He doesn't even shave yet - that's how young he is and once his upper body catches up with his lower body, I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a Hall of Famer. However, Flowers is meaner, nastier, and probably more ready to step in on day one - especially in the run game. So I'm happy as a pig in shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I'm happy as can be with the pick. I wanted any of the top 3 lineman (Scherff, Flowers, Peat) and would have been happy with Fowler or Leonard Williams had they fell. I agree with Jim that Peat might end up being the best of the bunch long term. He doesn't even shave yet - that's how young he is and once his upper body catches up with his lower body, I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a Hall of Famer. However, Flowers is meaner, nastier, and probably more ready to step in on day one - especially in the run game. So I'm happy as a pig in shit. Flowers is younger than Peat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA4M Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I'm happy as can be with the pick. I wanted any of the top 3 lineman (Scherff, Flowers, Peat) and would have been happy with Fowler or Leonard Williams had they fell. I agree with Jim that Peat might end up being the best of the bunch long term. He doesn't even shave yet - that's how young he is and once his upper body catches up with his lower body, I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a Hall of Famer. However, Flowers is meaner, nastier, and probably more ready to step in on day one - especially in the run game. So I'm happy as a pig in shit. Yeah, I'm Ok with the pick, we need some better beef up front. Just hope we can get a good DB next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 IF Flowers does play guard (I think he will play tackle though) I'd think it was LG. Schwartz has played RG most of his career, and that's where he has played better, and also you'd think for a college guy who played LT that LG would be more natural than RG. I think the Giants are more concerned with pass protection specifically on the left side of the line and less concerned with his transition from the left to the right. Eh, we'll see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fringe Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I think the Giants are more concerned with pass protection specifically on the left side of the line and less concerned with his transition from the left to the right. Eh, we'll see Because Eli is a statue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Flowers is younger than Peat Yes but he's more pro-ready to play the tackle position right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Dave looks like he's in playing shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Right around 1:20, check him out (#74)....crashes the left defensive line, still plowing guys at the 2nd level.....that's the sort of blocking you need in the 4th quarter. I see Andre Williams running behind this guy to close out games. Edit: made a mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Yes but he's more pro-ready to play the tackle position right away. Exactly. People kept saying upside with Peat. We got the guy with whose plug and play with upside as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Paul Schwartz @NYPost_Schwartz 54m54 minutes ago Manhattan, NY Jerry Reese says he thinks Brandon Scherff can play right tackle. Says Flowers is right or left tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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