JackStroud Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Herzlick will definitely make the team. As a rookie, he was superb on special teams and made some excellent plays last year at LB....and that was with little knowledge of the system due to the strike shortened season. He'll be even better this coming season and will be a starter within another season or two. No way we carry 3 QBs. Arm strength does not a quarterback make. Remember the biggest knock on Aaron Rogers when he came out of college? He was accurate and savvy, but didn't have a strong arm....one of the weakest arms in the NFL. And no one is knocking him about it. If arm strength carried a team, the eagles would have several superbowls by now with McNabb who could throw a ball 80 yards. Lets agree to disagree on both guys.....I remember Herzlich being undersized and out of position but not the great plays on the D or ST. Can you be more specific? I feel bad he got cancer and it debilitated him, but it is what it is. I just like the way Perriloux throws the ball and he has a cache about him ....of course arm strength is not the only factor.....the Giants seem to like him too as they keep bringing him back to the practice team. I fear if they try that trick one more time though Bellicheck will grab him off waivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 considering the giants didn't re-sign him and he's a free agent I don't think he makes the team. Ah shit, I didn't realise he wasn't under contract. The most underappreciated guy on our SB-winning team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 undersized? Chase Blackburn - 6'3 247 Mark Herzlich - 6'4 246 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Yes after reviewing all the NFL game tape on Perriloux. who could argue with you. David Carr is the ticket...........the most sacked man in NFL history LOL He got dealt such a crap NFL hand.....I still think the guy could have been a star in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 I think Bruce Johnson will be the 5th CB, maybe even 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 undersized? Chase Blackburn - 6'3 247 Mark Herzlich - 6'4 246 maybe not undersized per se, but he looked weak out there.......maybe he is not yet back from all the chemo and all that Jack Lambert only weighed 228 but he picked em up and slammed them down........he was very tall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 maybe not undersized per se, but he looked weak out there.......maybe he is not yet back from all the chemo and all that Jack Lambert only weighed 228 but he picked em up and slammed them down........he was very tall ....you've gotta be kidding me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 I don't understand Jack Sometimes he says some things that make alot of sense, the other 90% of the time he says things like he just did. Herzlich Is our biggest LB aside from Kiwi. And Storm I can see Bj making the team, I actually really like him, I'm just a little concerned that he may get hurt again or be out performed by Tryon. TC loves Tryon. Hosely is a lock. However I can see us potentially carrying 6 CBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinBlue Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Once official training camp opens, we can expect a few guys to get banged up and tear some vital part of their body and a whole lot will change. Hopefully, none of our big guns will go down this year, but history shows at least one star usually ends up hurt.....knock on wood. It seems the smaller guys like WR's and CB's tend to be the ones who get hurt in training camp and we always seem to lose someone in the pre-season exhibition games. At least we have some solid depth of players who have been hand picked for TC's "Sack'n Pass" strategy and carefully coached and groomed to our system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I don't understand Jack Sometimes he says some things that make alot of sense, the other 90% of the time he says things like he just did. Herzlich Is our biggest LB aside from Kiwi. And Storm I can see Bj making the team, I actually really like him, I'm just a little concerned that he may get hurt again or be out performed by Tryon. TC loves Tryon. Hosely is a lock. However I can see us potentially carrying 6 CBs Given the injury history at that position and it always seeming to bite us, it'd be a damn good idea. I'd like to see 6 CBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 maybe not undersized per se, but he looked weak out there.......maybe he is not yet back from all the chemo and all that Jack Lambert only weighed 228 but he picked em up and slammed them down........he was very tall He also had Joe Greene and Ernie Holmes keeping him clean Jack. C. Wgaon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 He also had Joe Greene and Ernie Holmes keeping him clean Jack. C. Wgaon I dont think you are old enough to remember Jack Lambert........meanest SOB to ever put on a helmet. Meaner pound for pound than Butkus. Herzlich might be big but he played small as a rookie.........contrast that with Clay Mathews rookie year......I think the guy is still suffering from all the Chemo....I saw an article that professed just that thought. He was dominant in college before he contracted cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I dont think you are old enough to remember Jack Lambert........meanest SOB to ever put on a helmet. Meaner pound for pound than Butkus. Herzlich might be big but he played small as a rookie.........contrast that with Clay Mathews rookie year......I think the guy is still suffering from all the Chemo....I saw an article that professed just that thought. He was dominant in college before he contracted cancer. link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Link This :cheah: I read it somewhere......a while back. I do not need to Link you to anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 just as i suspected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinBlue Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Herzlich is going to the biggest surprise this seasons - mark my word. The kid was the best LB in college by a mile before the cancer. He is completely and totally healed and is a workaholic and a student of film. During the six week vacation the players get before training camp opens, Herzlick is the only one staying near the Giants facilities so he can work out 4 days a week for several hours each day. The days he isn't working, he's going over film and the playbook. "Herzlich was an every-day participant in the Giants’ offseason conditioning program, OTAs and the minicamp. While his teammates are certainly working out wherever they are, Herzlich continues to run, lift and put himself through football drills at the Giants’ complex. “It’s a good place to be,” Herzlich said. “I have the field, all the equipment I need, I’ve got the facility. I had vacation time before OTAs. Now it’s for working out and getting ready for camp. And that’s what the next five weeks are for to me. On the weekends I can go and do some things, but I’ll be here during the week working out.” Herzlich is working just as hard mentally as he is physically. “The biggest thing I’m doing right now is studying because, I have to be mentally sharp when we get back,” Herzlich said. “That way the athletic ability can kind of take over. “I’m watching film and going over the plays. I took a lot of good notes during the OTAs and I review those and look at the practice film from the OTAs and look at what I didn’t do well, what I did do well, what I need to do to get better, and really self-analysis of what I have to do.” some links: http://blogs.bettor....FL-News-a166507 http://www.yardbarke...ng_job/11046452 Don't you worry Jack.....Herzlich isn't going anywhere and you will learn to like the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Herzlich is going to the biggest surprise this seasons - mark my word. The kid was the best LB in college by a mile before the cancer. He is completely and totally healed and is a workaholic and a student of film. During the six week vacation the players get before training camp opens, Herzlick is the only one staying near the Giants facilities so he can work out 4 days a week for several hours each day. The days he isn't working, he's going over film and the playbook. some links: http://blogs.bettor....FL-News-a166507 http://www.yardbarke...ng_job/11046452 Don't you worry Jack.....Herzlich isn't going anywhere and you will learn to like the guy. no he will just continue to make shit up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted June 29, 2012 Author Share Posted June 29, 2012 I like Herzlich, I think him and JaQuain Williams have high ceilings, especially JaQuain, but Herz just maybe our starting MLB soon. He was indeed a beast at BC and he's working hard to return. I think it says something that we didn't IR him last year even though he couldn't play down the stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Herzlich has shown me nothing as yet...........he was a monster in College pre-cancer Unfortunately he cannot pump HGH and Steroids like Lance Armstrong did to recover. I wish him nothing but the best but I have an old adage "show me don't tell me" Blackburn led a D to a World Title........he is going to be hard to unseat now You guys, most of you who have be-littled Blackburn all these years despite his lack of playing time must now sit there and take your medicine LOL have fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 My 53 man roster, not depth chart order though: Eli Manning David Carr Ahmad Bradshaw David Wilson Da'Rel Scott Andre Brown Hakeem Nicks Victor Cruz Rueben Randle Jerrel Jernigan Domenik Hixon Brandon Collins Martellus Bennet Bear Pascoe Adrien Robinson Will Beatty David Deihl James Brewer Kevin Boothe Chris Snee David Baas Mitch Petrus Brandon Mosely Sean Locklear Justin Tuck Jason Pierre-Paul Osi Umenyiora Justin Trattou Chris Canty Linval Joseph Marvin Austin Marcus Kuhn Rocky Bernard Mathias Kiwanuka Michael Boley Chase Blackburn Mark Herzlich Adrian Tracy Keith Rivers Jacquian Williams Corey Webster Terrell Thomas Prince Amukamara Jayron Hosely Antwaun Molden Justin Tryon Antrel Rolle Kenny Phillips Tyler Sash Janzen Jackson Lawrence Tynes Steve Weatherford Zak DeOssie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I think it's finally time for my early 53 man roster. OFFENSE (25): QB's (2): Eli Manning David Carr RB's (4): Ahmad Bradshaw David Wilson Danny Ware Da'Rel Scott FB (1): Henry Hynoski WR (6): Hakeem Nicks Victor Cruz Rueben Randle Jerrel Jernigan Ramses Barden David Douglas TE's (3): Martellus Bennett Bear Pascoe Adrian Robinson OL (9): Will Beatty David Diehl Chris Snee Kevin Boothe David Baas Mitch Petrus James Brewer Sean Locklear Brandon Mosley DEFENSE (25): DE's (4): Justin Tuck Jason Pierre-Paul Osi Umenyiora Justin Trattou DT's (5): Linval Joseph Rocky Bernard Marvin Austin Shaun Rogers Chris Canty* LB's (6): Michael Boley Chase Blackburn Mathias Kiwanuka Keith Rivers Jacquian Williams Mark Herzlich CB's (6): Corey Webster Prince Amukamara Michael Coe Jayron Hosley Justin Tryon Antwuan Molden S (4): Antrel Rolle Kenny Phillips Chris Horton Will Hill Specials (3): Tynes Weatherford DeOssie Notice I don't have Hixon making the team. I think the Giants really respect him and what he can do, however, I think they go younger and give a chance to one of the UDFA's. My pick is Douglas, who seems to have the game that will fit in with what the Giants do, and he can perform on specials. I wouldn't be shocked if the cut is Barden, though. Although I have Barden on this team, I do believe either he or Hixon will be cut unless one of them ends up on IR. I also have Tyler Sash not making the team. I think they are going to cut him. I think Will Hill has a real future with this team. I only see them carrying four safeties, with Phillips and Rolle the shoe-ins. They aren't going to give the primary backup job to a rookie like Will Hill. That's why I like Chris Horton. They could go with Stevie Brown there, but my pick is Horton, because he is the more veteran player, who has had more meaningful playing time in the NFL than Brown. I think at this point it will be very difficult for Sash to make the team, unless injuries put him back in the mix. I do not see a Deon Grant re-signing unless one of the starting safeties get hurt. At least not before the September 5th game against the Cowboys. I think T2 will end up on IR. The cornerbacks I have there I think are the best of the rest. Bruce Johnson may be a surprise cut to some. Perhaps Brandon Bing and Janzen Jackson as well. But IMO, they'll only make the team through attrition. Jackson is a prime PS candidate. Spencer Paysinger and Greg Jones are also tough cuts. Perhaps one of them sneaks onto the PS. You might notice I don't have Canty as a starter. That's only because I don't think his injury will have him ready for week 1. Even though Canty is on PUP right now, I don't think he'll start the season on PUP. I see him missing a week, maybe 2, but I think he'll be back early in the season. Beckum may be another surprise cut for some. He's not practicing right now. With I hope I'm wrong about Sash. I like the kid and I think he could develop. But I believe Coach Merritt, PF, and TC are going to fall in love with the athleticism of Will Hill. Perhaps they will find room by placing Canty on PUP, or perhaps they only go with 5 CB's, and Molden becomes a roster casualty. At any rate, Sash didn't do himself any favors by getting suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted August 2, 2012 Author Share Posted August 2, 2012 I agree with your 53 Jim except for a few things Idk about Horton. I think Hixon will make it. (competition at WR has been crazy) Bruce Johnson has a good shot at the team. Deon Grant Is a better choice Over Horton. But a damn good list I must say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted August 2, 2012 Author Share Posted August 2, 2012 Beckum and Canty are already on PUP too so that could free up spots. Beckum will not be cut since hes on PUP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Jim, Hearing how Coughlin came to the defense of Sash and the praise he heaped on him I doubt the kid gets cut. What's with Chris Canty in your roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I cannot see cutting Hixon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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