BleedinBlue Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 While waiting for the Giants game, I've been switching back and forth between the Eagles game and the Bills game. I cannot believe how dominating Kawiki Mitchell is on the Bills team. He looks like a pro-Bowler. In on every tackle and just smashing heads. Maybe it was a mistake to let him go. I always thought of him as solid and steady. But when I see him now, he is dominating the backfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 yeah seems we took the gamble of thinking he was more of a product of our system. this year hes proving he is pretty damn talented. i heard he was willing to accept less money to stay a giant. i think kehl could develop into something pretty good though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFire Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Definitely should have kept him because LBs have been the weak spot of this D for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Kehl started for todays game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Mitchell has morphed into a freakishly good linebacker, though. Remember at the beginning of last season, when we were all knocking his coverage skills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Fuck Mitchell. We got Kehl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashTalker92 Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 couldn't agree more.. was watching the bills game last week and the guy is a monster...... he also cover a lot of ground.. we should of paid. now, our LB line are weak, hope next year we draft a LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 couldn't agree more.. was watching the bills game last week and the guy is a monster...... he also cover a lot of ground.. we should of paid. now, our LB line are weak, hope next year we draft a LB How many linebackers do you want to draft per year? They just drafted 2 this last draft, 1 in 2007 (DeOssie) and Wilkinson 2 years ago. I think Kehl is the man and will be for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFire Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 How many linebackers do you want to draft per year? They just drafted 2 this last draft, 1 in 2007 (DeOssie) and Wilkinson 2 years ago. I think Kehl is the man and will be for a long time. In the first 2 rounds would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashTalker92 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 How many linebackers do you want to draft per year? They just drafted 2 this last draft, 1 in 2007 (DeOssie) and Wilkinson 2 years ago. I think Kehl is the man and will be for a long time. seriously now... which of those three guys you think will play to the level of Mitchell??? our front four is a beast (TUCK, ROBBINs, KIWI) , secondary is young and is turning heads (ROSS, Webster, PHILLIPS) .. now other than AP, who can you name on that line of LB?.. AP's a great leader but not as athletic as i would like .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 seriously now... which of those three guys you think will play to the level of Mitchell??? our front four is a beast (TUCK, ROBBINs, KIWI) , secondary is young and is turning heads (ROSS, Webster, PHILLIPS) .. now other than AP, who can you name on that line of LB?.. AP's a great leader but not as athletic as i would like .. I agree that Kehl is a good one. I think he will be starting for a long time. Haven't seen much of Goff. Remember Kiwi will be moving back to LB next year. A LB crew of Kehl, Kiwi, and AP sounds good to me. I think Kehl will actually overtake Wilkinson for the starting job next season. And Kenny Phillips is a good one, he continues to impress. They need to get Butler out of there. Reese does it again with 2 good defensive starters in the last draft (IMO)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashTalker92 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 don't forget our secondary is young and improving. i'm sure sooner or later Butler will be replace and we'll have some depth as well. don't anyone of you guys recall our second round pick?? Terrell Thomas??? i know his name hasn't been mention. But by next season i'm guessing we're see some of him in action.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinBlue Posted October 27, 2008 Author Share Posted October 27, 2008 Here's a thought. Dave Tollefson was a career linebacker before being converted to a defensive end after a couple years on practice squads (Packers, then Raiders). Actually, the Raiders toyed with his playing end, but allocated him to their European football league in 2006 where he started becoming a fierce hitter and had a nose for getting to the quarterback. Anyway.....I have been leary of the Giants using Tollefson as a DE in important games, but the guy is playing some very good football for us. Yesterday he was all over the field and was like a man on a mission including taking Roethlesberger to the ground for a 7 yard loss. Maybe I get impressed easily, but he impressed the shit out of me yesterday - and a couple of other times this year. When Osi comes back, the coaches will probably focus once again on putting Kiwi back at linebacker. But maybe they should be looking at Tollefson instead, as that is his normal position thoughout his college and early professional career....well, he also played Tight End for a bit, but he's not going there. Regardless, Goff will be back.....Osi will be back on the defensive line.....which leaves Goff, Kiwi, and Tollefson able to takeover a linebacker spot. I think Kiwi is making a statement right now that he belongs on the line with Tuck and Osi. I don't see us burning high picks on a linebacker unless a superstud falls right in our laps on draft day. I think we're set at LB. Pierce is incredible in my opinion. What he lacks in speed, he makes up for bigtime in instincts and the ability to read a play while it's still in the making.....and he is like a coach on the field for the rest of the defense and loudly informs everyone else in the defense what is about to go down. Anyway....I'm more worried about our cornerbacks right now than our linebackers. I think Ross is a little shell shocked right now and Butler looked pretty bad yesterday when he got turned around. Webster is adequate, but not a show stopper. We should've gone after Asante Samuel in the free agent market when we had the chance. He's looking awfully good playing for the Eagles right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Here's a thought. Dave Tollefson was a career linebacker before being converted to a defensive end after a couple years on practice squads (Packers, then Raiders). Actually, the Raiders toyed with his playing end, but allocated him to their European football league in 2006 where he started becoming a fierce hitter and had a nose for getting to the quarterback. Anyway.....I have been leary of the Giants using Tollefson as a DE in important games, but the guy is playing some very good football for us. Yesterday he was all over the field and was like a man on a mission including taking Roethlesberger to the ground for a 7 yard loss. Maybe I get impressed easily, but he impressed the shit out of me yesterday - and a couple of other times this year. When Osi comes back, the coaches will probably focus once again on putting Kiwi back at linebacker. But maybe they should be looking at Tollefson instead, as that is his normal position thoughout his college and early professional career....well, he also played Tight End for a bit, but he's not going there. Regardless, Goff will be back.....Osi will be back on the defensive line.....which leaves Goff, Kiwi, and Tollefson able to takeover a linebacker spot. I think Kiwi is making a statement right now that he belongs on the line with Tuck and Osi. I don't see us burning high picks on a linebacker unless a superstud falls right in our laps on draft day. I think we're set at LB. Pierce is incredible in my opinion. What he lacks in speed, he makes up for bigtime in instincts and the ability to read a play while it's still in the making.....and he is like a coach on the field for the rest of the defense and loudly informs everyone else in the defense what is about to go down. Anyway....I'm more worried about our cornerbacks right now than our linebackers. I think Ross is a little shell shocked right now and Butler looked pretty bad yesterday when he got turned around. Webster is adequate, but not a show stopper. We should've gone after Asante Samuel in the free agent market when we had the chance. He's looking awfully good playing for the Eagles right now. i sorta would like to see kiwi back in linebacker, only when there are 3 of them on the field, when there are only 2 on the field put him back on the line and move tuck inside. though i could see us just leaving him on the line although that could end with him deciding to leave the giants as he may not want to be a no.3 de. i could see us drafting a linebacker in the 1st because i dont think the giants see clark as the long term solution there. though i would rather move up and get a nice safety to take over the ss spot. we have alot of picks, with possibly some more coming for losing players. i think we will have more picks than people to be able to sign which could help us move up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Definitely should have kept him because LBs have been the weak spot of this D for a while. Hindsight being 20/20 yea we should've kept him. Back then we all thought he got paid too much and that might've fucked up our cap situation... But again, we unloaded Shockey... Good for Kawika though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 We let Mitchell go for what was a fair price at the time and what is proving to be a bargain now. Bad move by Reese & Co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxi-xxv Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Kawika Mitchell only started to excel in this defense when Kiwinauka went down. Do not foreget he struggled at the WLB early on, but really found his niche at the SLB when he replaced Kiwi. In all honesty it was tough to have kept him assuming KIWI was going back to SLB and not yet knowing if STrahan was coming back when free agency started. As for the future, I do not see KIWI going back to LB. I see the Giants going back to what they did in 2007 with the 3 DE rotation and Tuck playing that hybrid DE/DT and sometimes having 4 DE's on the field at one time. We should focus on a good 4/3 SLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Tuck should not play DT full time, and in order to keep Tuck, Osi, and Kiwi on the field all the time, which I'm sure is what Coughlin and Spags want to do, you have to move Kiwi back to LB or you play Tuck at DT full time, which again, I don't think is the answer. You have to get the most you can out of that trio, and to do that, IMO, means Kiwi goes back to LB. He'll be a phenomenal blitzer and he can move back to end on obvious passing downs, with Tuck moving inside. No way they are going to take Kiwi out of the game and make him a 3rd down specialist and no way they move Tuck inside. You have to move Kiwi back to linebacker and I think that also makes our defense the most scary... when those three (Tuck, Osi, and Kiwi) are out there full time. As happy as I am to see the Giants this year, if Osi comes back healthy next year, with a healthy Tuck and Kiwi, that will be awesome to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Kawika Mitchell only started to excel in this defense when Kiwinauka went down. Do not foreget he struggled at the WLB early on, but really found his niche at the SLB when he replaced Kiwi. In all honesty it was tough to have kept him assuming KIWI was going back to SLB and not yet knowing if STrahan was coming back when free agency started. As for the future, I do not see KIWI going back to LB. I see the Giants going back to what they did in 2007 with the 3 DE rotation and Tuck playing that hybrid DE/DT and sometimes having 4 DE's on the field at one time. We should focus on a good 4/3 SLB. im almost positive when kiwi went down torbor became the slb and mitchell stayed at wlb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxi-xxv Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 im almost positive when kiwi went down torbor became the slb and mitchell stayed at wlb No, that is why you saw Mitchell rushing the passer more the second half of the year and Torbor at WLB. Torbor actually showed agood ability to cover and it got him a nice FA contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 You have to move Kiwi back to linebacker and I think that also makes our defense the most scary... it scares me. i don't see what makes you think he's an 'awesome blitzer'? kiwi needs to stay on the DL. these things have a way of working out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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