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First three years (More like 2.... but)

 

Eli

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

2004 NYG 9 95 197 48.2 1043 5.3 6 52 9 55.4 6-10

2005 NYG 16 294 557 52.8 3762 6.8 24 78 17 75.9 11-5

2006 NYG 10 193 334 57.8 2202 6.6 16 50 13 77.5 6-4?

 

 

Peyton

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

1998 IND 16 326 575 56.7 3739 6.5 26 78 28 71.2 3-13

1999 IND 16 331 533 62.1 4135 7.8 26 80 15 90.7 13-3

2000 IND 16 357 571 62.5 4413 7.7 33 78 15 94.7 10-6

 

McNabb

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

1999 PHI 12 106 216 49.1 948 4.4 8 63 7 60.1 5-11

2000 PHI 16 330 569 58.0 3365 5.9 21 70 13 77.8 11-5

2001 PHI 16 285 493 57.8 3233 6.6 25 64 12 84.3 11-5

 

Hasselbeck (His first 3 playing years)

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

2001 SEA 13 176 321 54.8 2023 6.3 7 64 8 70.9 9-7

2002 SEA 16 267 419 63.7 3075 7.3 15 49 10 87.8 7-9

2003 SEA 16 313 513 61.0 3841 7.5 26 80 15 88.8 10-6

 

Farvre

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

1992 GNB 15 302 471 64.1 3227 6.9 18 76 13 85.3 9-7

1993 GNB 16 318 522 60.9 3303 6.3 19 66 24 72.2 9-7

1994 GNB 16 363 582 62.4 3882 6.7 33 49 14 90.7 9-7

 

Bledsoe

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

1993 NWE 13 214 429 49.9 2494 5.8 15 54 15 65.0 5-11

1994 NWE 16 400 691 57.9 4555 6.6 25 62 27 73.6 10-6

1995 NWE 15 323 636 50.8 3507 5.5 13 47 16 63.7 6-10

 

 

Brees

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

2002 SDG 16 320 526 60.8 3284 6.2 17 52 16 76.9 8-8

2003 SDG 11 205 356 57.6 2108 5.9 11 68 15 67.5 4-12

2004 SDG 15 262 400 65.5 3159 7.9 27 79 7 104.8 12-4

 

 

 

 

All of these QB's are Pro-Browlers, Eli is not too far off them. Obviously Peyton is the class of the league right now. But look at each one of these.. Eli compares pretty well. Should Green Bay have benched Farvre after his second year?

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I stand by Eli with my life, but the difference is that Eli's stats for the year may look decent, but he is so inconsistent. I'm sure Donovan, Peyton, and the other elite QBs had more of a consistent good stats then Eli did last year. It's his inconsistency that worries me.

 

The nice thing we know about Eli is that he is capable of making that huge throw. That should have been a TD on that bomb to Plax but unfortunately things didn't go the right way.

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First three years (More like 2.... but)

 

Eli

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

2004 NYG 9 95 197 48.2 1043 5.3 6 52 9 55.4 6-10

2005 NYG 16 294 557 52.8 3762 6.8 24 78 17 75.9 11-5

2006 NYG 10 193 334 57.8 2202 6.6 16 50 13 77.5 6-4?

Peyton

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

1998 IND 16 326 575 56.7 3739 6.5 26 78 28 71.2 3-13

1999 IND 16 331 533 62.1 4135 7.8 26 80 15 90.7 13-3

2000 IND 16 357 571 62.5 4413 7.7 33 78 15 94.7 10-6

 

McNabb

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

1999 PHI 12 106 216 49.1 948 4.4 8 63 7 60.1 5-11

2000 PHI 16 330 569 58.0 3365 5.9 21 70 13 77.8 11-5

2001 PHI 16 285 493 57.8 3233 6.6 25 64 12 84.3 11-5

 

Hasselbeck (His first 3 playing years)

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

2001 SEA 13 176 321 54.8 2023 6.3 7 64 8 70.9 9-7

2002 SEA 16 267 419 63.7 3075 7.3 15 49 10 87.8 7-9

2003 SEA 16 313 513 61.0 3841 7.5 26 80 15 88.8 10-6

 

Farvre

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

1992 GNB 15 302 471 64.1 3227 6.9 18 76 13 85.3 9-7

1993 GNB 16 318 522 60.9 3303 6.3 19 66 24 72.2 9-7

1994 GNB 16 363 582 62.4 3882 6.7 33 49 14 90.7 9-7

 

Bledsoe

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

1993 NWE 13 214 429 49.9 2494 5.8 15 54 15 65.0 5-11

1994 NWE 16 400 691 57.9 4555 6.6 25 62 27 73.6 10-6

1995 NWE 15 323 636 50.8 3507 5.5 13 47 16 63.7 6-10

Brees

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

2002 SDG 16 320 526 60.8 3284 6.2 17 52 16 76.9 8-8

2003 SDG 11 205 356 57.6 2108 5.9 11 68 15 67.5 4-12

2004 SDG 15 262 400 65.5 3159 7.9 27 79 7 104.8 12-4

All of these QB's are Pro-Browlers, Eli is not too far off them. Obviously Peyton is the class of the league right now. But look at each one of these.. Eli compares pretty well. Should Green Bay have benched Farvre after his second year?

 

 

Just stop. Did you see Eli these last few games? He's a fucking deer in the headlights out there.

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<---------- off the Eli bandwagon.

We had better sign a decent veteran this offseason.

 

just shut the fuck up and run into a knife or something. we're not benching eli unless he plays the same way for the next 6 games. He's playin bad and he knows it. Did anyone else see the press conference after the game? I don't blame you if you didn't i was fuckin disgusted too, but i watched. Eli will step up, he knows he's playing like shit. He knows his OC is a crumb short of retarded. He knows Tiki should get the ball 60% of the game. He'll get better, hopefully its this coming sunday against a weak Titans team that is playing ok.

 

You know what really pisses me the fuck off? Watching San Diego and how they run their offense. Not because of Phillip Rivers, because I'd take Eli over him again, but the way they use the best player on the team. LT splits out wide, he's in the back field, he runs, catches and even throws. I mean how hard is it to understand that you try to get your best player the ball. Especially on mismatches by being covered by a linebacker. Also the TE's, they create the biggest mismatch on the field, and when you got a guy like shockey how can you not throw him the ball 7-10 times a game? Where's the TE screen? I've seen it once in 4 years.

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I don't believe that we all 'Hate' Eli...we just hate the fact he's still making the same mistakes that he made in his first year. Hasn't corrected his 'mechanics', hasn't adjusted to windy weather. Hasn't showed that FIRE. Hasn't stood up to Shockey/Plax. Hasn't showed that he cares on the sidelines after fucking up. Case in point: he was standing alone sulking....most of last night! Fuck dood, yo' ass is 6-3 and down 16-10! Grow some nuts and spark this offense with emotion. Lead!!!!!!!

 

And IF he isn't feeling 'comfortabe with the play calling...God Dammit Eli, dispute some of the plays then with your coach.

 

...the way it looks, it seems that Eli doesn't even practice with Plax nor Shockey.

 

...if your LT isn't up to par (see that ol' Left Tackle in there now), can Eli lobby for more plays with 3 step drops and more shorter pases? Get fuckin' passionate Eli and wake the fuck up!!!!

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I don't believe that we all 'Hate' Eli...we just hate the fact he's still making the same mistakes that he made in his first year. Hasn't corrected his 'mechanics', hasn't adjusted to windy weather. Hasn't showed that FIRE. Hasn't stood up to Shockey/Plax. Hasn't showed that he cares on the sidelines after fucking up. Case in point: he was standing alone sulking....most of last night! Fuck dood, yo' ass is 6-3 and down 16-10! Grow some nuts and spark this offense with emotion. Lead!!!!!!!

 

And IF he isn't feeling 'comfortabe with the play calling...God Dammit Eli, dispute some of the plays then with your coach.

 

...the way it looks, it seems that Eli doesn't even practice with Plax nor Shockey.

 

...if your LT isn't up to par (see that ol' Left Tackle in there now), can Eli lobby for more plays with 3 step drops and more shorter pases? Get fuckin' passionate Eli and wake the fuck up!!!!

You know what though, that's what coaching is for. You make your players better, ESPECIALLY the basics.

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Jeez, you forget to take your Midol this morning? You DID see the last four games, right?

Yeah i've seen the last four games, and the 4 games before that and all of the games for the last 15 years. You don't sit you're starting QB because of some bad games. Why didn't the patriots sit Tom Brady after losing 2 straight? Why haven't the falcons benched vick? You don't do it, and it pisses me off when people say it.

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Jeez, you forget to take your Midol this morning? You DID see the last four games, right?

 

You don't bench a promising young player, especially your QB, because of 4 bad games. Everyone is frustrated because Eli isn't showing the improvement we expect from him. No QB is great every week, and when your QB is struggling, the coaching staff needs to structure the game plan to help him out, which ours didn't.

 

Saying he needs to be benched and bring in a veteran is just rediculous. Who do you want, Brad Johnson, Vinnie T, Joey Harrington, Mark Brunell, Jeff Garcia? That's just silly. Eli is a solid starting NFL QB on a bad stretch. Hopefully he can work with his coaches and fix himself quick.

 

Maybe he will have to have a consultation with his college coach again. :ph34r:

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I'm still on the Eli bandwagon. I have faith in the kid.

 

Honestly all we have to do is win against TN and beat the Boys a week after... and then we're on a high again. Funny because I predicted a 12-4 record... and guess what.. I'm sticking by that prediction.

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I will no longer defend Eli Manning when he struggles, but I will not pretend that his problems are his alone. It's obvious that he is a much better quarterback when the pace of the game is picked up. I think he needs to be allowed to be in more control of the game. Maybe this coaching staff and style of play just isn't right for him. If the coaches refuse to use a system that their quarterback can be successful in, then maybe the coaches should go, because obviously, for better or worse, Eli will be our QB for quite some time.

 

I like Eli, and I will be rooting for him to get through this, because he is a stand up guy and knows that he's playing like shit. He also knows that some of his teammates are whiners and have their own problems on the field at times, but refuses to single anyone out, or pout or show them up on the sidelines like some of his teammates do.

 

Eli is playing horribly right now, but I think as far as the team goes, the bigger problem is the coaching staff. This kid needs help, and they aren't helping him succeed on the field by not utilizing Barber, Jacobs, and Shockey they way they should be. I wish Bill Cowher were our coach. He'd run our opponents right out of the building with these two awesome RBs.

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I will no longer defend Eli Manning when he struggles, but I will not pretend that his problems are his alone. It's obvious that he is a much better quarterback when the pace of the game is picked up. I think he needs to be allowed to be in more control of the game. Maybe this coaching staff and style of play just isn't right for him. If the coaches refuse to use a system that their quarterback can be successful in, then maybe the coaches should go, because obviously, for better or worse, Eli will be our QB for quite some time.

 

I like Eli, and I will be rooting for him to get through this, because he is a stand up guy and knows that he's playing like shit. He also knows that some of his teammates are whiners and have their own problems on the field at times, but refuses to single anyone out, or pout or show them up on the sidelines like some of his teammates do.

 

Eli is playing horribly right now, but I think as far as the team goes, the bigger problem is the coaching staff. This kid needs help, and they aren't helping him succeed on the field by not utilizing Barber, Jacobs, and Shockey they way they should be. I wish Bill Cowher were our coach. He'd run our opponents right out of the building with these two awesome RBs.

Amen!!! :clap:

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Yeah i've seen the last four games, and the 4 games before that and all of the games for the last 15 years. You don't sit you're starting QB because of some bad games. Why didn't the patriots sit Tom Brady after losing 2 straight? Why haven't the falcons benched vick? You don't do it, and it pisses me off when people say it.

 

 

Uh... I never said anywhere that Eli should be benched. I said they should bring in a veteran for some competition... NEXT YEAR. :confused:

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I'm still on the Eli bandwagon. I have faith in the kid.

 

Honestly all we have to do is win against TN and beat the Boys a week after... and then we're on a high again. Funny because I predicted a 12-4 record... and guess what.. I'm sticking by that prediction.

Sorry man, we're not going 12-4. Love the optimism, but it's not happening.

 

Hope I'm wrong!

 

And FFFF, I agree with everyone of your points.

 

Just a question, have we had a good drive the entire season in the 1st quarter that led to a TD? You know, a nice 9 play 70 yard drive in our 2nd, 3rd drive of the game? That's something this team is lacking. The efficient drive consistently.

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This argument is tired and played. Just because other QB's started out struggling doesn't mean that all of the sudden Eli is going to start progressing. This is the second straight year that he has failed in being anything that remotely resembles consistency. He really needs to start stringing together successful drives. Then games. Then seasons. Right now, he can't even string together two successful throws. He was god awful last night.

 

And please, stop with the hater thing. People should be concerned when peopel like me stop complaining. It's only because I see much more than Eli is giving. He's falling way short of anyhting that was expected of him at this point.

 

I love that people are pointing to these stats. But what about Romo? And Rivers? They didn't need to suck before they started playing well, so why is it alright for Eli to suck just because a few pro bowlers sucked ealry in their careers?

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This argument is tired and played. Just because other QB's started out struggling doesn't mean that all of the sudden Eli is going to start progressing. This is the second straight year that he has failed in being anything that remotely resembles consistency. He really needs to start stringing together successful drives. Then games. Then seasons. Right now, he can't even string together two successful throws. He was god awful last night.

 

And please, stop with the hater thing. People should be concerned when peopel like me stop complaining. It's only because I see much more than Eli is giving. He's falling way short of anyhting that was expected of him at this point.

 

I love that people are pointing to these stats. But what about Romo? And Rivers? They didn't need to suck before they started playing well, so why is it alright for Eli to suck just because a few pro bowlers sucked ealry in their careers?

Both Romo and Rivers were able to spend two seasons on the bench watching pro-bowl QB's play. Eli spent 6 weeks backing up the shadow of a pro-bowler. So it is fair to compare the two's numbers? How about when teams start to get film on Homo... They will get his number soon, it happens to every QB.

 

3 weeks ago they were saying it looked like Eli turned a corner. Then they stopped handing the ball to Tiki and Eli pulled a U-turn.

 

I do not disagree he sucked monkey nuts last night, but the team as a whole sucked last night.

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Both Romo and Rivers were able to spend two seasons on the bench watching pro-bowl QB's play. Eli spent 6 weeks backing up the shadow of a pro-bowler. So it is fair to compare the two's numbers? How about when teams start to get film on Homo... They will get his number soon, it happens to every QB.

 

3 weeks ago they were saying it looked like Eli turned a corner. Then they stopped handing the ball to Tiki and Eli pulled a U-turn.

 

I do not disagree he sucked monkey nuts last night, but the team as a whole sucked last night.

The whole team really didn't suck. it was mostly Eli throwing the ball anywhere but where it needed to go. His lack of accuracy puts his receivers in vulnerable positions, leaving them less than confident in catching the ball.

 

Think about it, any QB in the league throws a TD instead of an INT on that roll out INT. Anyone. That was a terrible throw, mostly because he once again threw off his back foot rather than getting his back hip around and allowing him to get more rotation and power on his throw. Instead of killing the team, he lifts them up. The offensive line did a nice job pass blocking and gave Eli more than enough time. He just sucked that bad.

 

As far as run blocking, well, the Giants schemes weren't great. Running the ball at Henderson and Stroud is never going to work. They needed to get the LB's out of the box by splitting the TE out. Or even running some counter plays.

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The whole team really didn't suck. it was mostly Eli throwing the ball anywhere but where it needed to go. His lack of accuracy puts his receivers in vulnerable positions, leaving them less than confident in catching the ball.

 

Think about it, any QB in the league throws a TD instead of an INT on that roll out INT. Anyone. That was a terrible throw, mostly because he once again threw off his back foot rather than getting his back hip around and allowing him to get more rotation and power on his throw. Instead of killing the team, he lifts them up. The offensive line did a nice job pass blocking and gave Eli more than enough time. He just sucked that bad.

 

As far as run blocking, well, the Giants schemes weren't great. Running the ball at Henderson and Stroud is never going to work. They needed to get the LB's out of the box by splitting the TE out. Or even running some counter plays.

Jackville had been averaging giving up 105 yards a game on the ground, yet running was not in the gameplan. What receiver stepped up yesterday? Shockey played hard but a TE alone will not win many games. Whitfield sucked, forcing Tiki to stay in to block. Even Tiki had the drops, broken thumb I understand but if you are in the game catch the ball.

 

On D.. Webster might as well sat down when the ball was snapped, he was targeted and exposed again yesterday. The walking wounded of the front 7 were gassed before the half was over, mainly because even when they got off the field the O would go 3 and out in 1:15 and send them back on the field.

 

The best kick return was by BJ... if he is only going to get 3 carries a game, maybe he should be returning kick0ffs.

 

Eli does seem to like to throw the deep ball into triple coverage for some reason, but is plax has three defenders on him SOMEONE has to open underneath. I guess throwing to Tim Carter is really a lost cause even if he actually CATCHES the ball he is just going to cough up a fumble. Tyree is not a receiver, good special teams player but a #3wr?

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Jackville had been averaging giving up 105 yards a game on the ground, yet running was not in the gameplan. What receiver stepped up yesterday? Shockey played hard but a TE alone will not win many games. Whitfield sucked, forcing Tiki to stay in to block. Even Tiki had the drops, broken thumb I understand but if you are in the game catch the ball.

 

On D.. Webster might as well sat down when the ball was snapped, he was targeted and exposed again yesterday. The walking wounded of the front 7 were gassed before the half was over, mainly because even when they got off the field the O would go 3 and out in 1:15 and send them back on the field.

 

The best kick return was by BJ... if he is only going to get 3 carries a game, maybe he should be returning kick0ffs.

 

Eli does seem to like to throw the deep ball into triple coverage for some reason, but is plax has three defenders on him SOMEONE has to open underneath. I guess throwing to Tim Carter is really a lost cause even if he actually CATCHES the ball he is just going to cough up a fumble. Tyree is not a receiver, good special teams player but a #3wr?

The reason they were giving up so many yards was because of the fact that at the very least Stroud was out. I agree they needed to run more, yet by the time they got a first down they were so far behind. They sucked period. But I blame Eli for the most part. He's disappointing a lot of people on that team.

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Eli and the rest of the offense sucked yesterday. Eli needs to become the leader and it's not happening with Shockey and Plax. In essence, his team mates are holding him back IMO. Think about it, if you were to get a new job tomorrow, do you think that you're gonna walk in there and have your coworkers look up to you when you're the new kid on the block? Some QBs have done it, but with the demeanor of Eli, mixed with Shockey, it's like oil and vinegar.

 

Didn't Shockey beat up Brandon Short at his first training camp? Maybe I'm reading too much into it. Anyway, it's not only Eli that's inconsistent, it's the whole team. QBs and WRs feed off each other and I can't wait until Moss gets inserted into the game. Eli needs a consistent WR and I hope Moss is the answer. Carter is not the answer and while Plax is real good, he's not consistent.

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With the exeption of the Dallas game and the 4th Q + OT game vs the Eagles....when has Eli completed more than 2 first down passes in a row? The Giants are next to the worst team in converting 3rd downs in the NFL. No matter WHAT 3rd down situation it is (e.g. 3rd and 7) the Giants aren't converting it. That's hard to watch.

 

Eli sailing the ball = hard to watch

Eli sulking = hard to watch

Eli taking 7 step drops and forcing it to Burress = hard to watch

Eli's same o' post game spiel = hard to watch

 

 

Sound familiar????

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With the exeption of the Dallas game and the 4th Q + OT game vs the Eagles....when has Eli completed more than 2 first down passes in a row? The Giants are next to the worst team in converting 3rd downs in the NFL. No matter WHAT 3rd down situation it is (e.g. 3rd and 7) the Giants aren't converting it. That's hard to watch.

 

Eli sailing the ball = hard to watch

Eli sulking = hard to watch

Eli taking 7 step drops and forcing it to Burress = hard to watch

Eli's same o' post game spiel = hard to watch

Sound familiar????

I'm getting tired of it as well. Just remember though, on our first offensive series when it became 3rd and 2, the Giants threw the ball 25 yards to the endzone to Plax. Play calling has alot to do with the 3rd down deficiencies. Eli needs to get his head out of his ass.

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First three years (More like 2.... but)

 

Eli

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

2004 NYG 9 95 197 48.2 1043 5.3 6 52 9 55.4 6-10

2005 NYG 16 294 557 52.8 3762 6.8 24 78 17 75.9 11-5

2006 NYG 10 193 334 57.8 2202 6.6 16 50 13 77.5 6-4?

Peyton

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

1998 IND 16 326 575 56.7 3739 6.5 26 78 28 71.2 3-13

1999 IND 16 331 533 62.1 4135 7.8 26 80 15 90.7 13-3

2000 IND 16 357 571 62.5 4413 7.7 33 78 15 94.7 10-6

 

McNabb

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

1999 PHI 12 106 216 49.1 948 4.4 8 63 7 60.1 5-11

2000 PHI 16 330 569 58.0 3365 5.9 21 70 13 77.8 11-5

2001 PHI 16 285 493 57.8 3233 6.6 25 64 12 84.3 11-5

 

Hasselbeck (His first 3 playing years)

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

2001 SEA 13 176 321 54.8 2023 6.3 7 64 8 70.9 9-7

2002 SEA 16 267 419 63.7 3075 7.3 15 49 10 87.8 7-9

2003 SEA 16 313 513 61.0 3841 7.5 26 80 15 88.8 10-6

 

Farvre

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

1992 GNB 15 302 471 64.1 3227 6.9 18 76 13 85.3 9-7

1993 GNB 16 318 522 60.9 3303 6.3 19 66 24 72.2 9-7

1994 GNB 16 363 582 62.4 3882 6.7 33 49 14 90.7 9-7

 

Bledsoe

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

1993 NWE 13 214 429 49.9 2494 5.8 15 54 15 65.0 5-11

1994 NWE 16 400 691 57.9 4555 6.6 25 62 27 73.6 10-6

1995 NWE 15 323 636 50.8 3507 5.5 13 47 16 63.7 6-10

Brees

 

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Record

2002 SDG 16 320 526 60.8 3284 6.2 17 52 16 76.9 8-8

2003 SDG 11 205 356 57.6 2108 5.9 11 68 15 67.5 4-12

2004 SDG 15 262 400 65.5 3159 7.9 27 79 7 104.8 12-4

All of these QB's are Pro-Browlers, Eli is not too far off them. Obviously Peyton is the class of the league right now. But look at each one of these.. Eli compares pretty well. Should Green Bay have benched Farvre after his second year?

All it proves is that statistics doesn't always show the true picture.

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