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I agree with the premise of this thread. Also Landon Collins and Weston Richburg are both out for the year. Justin Pugh went on to have an okay career at G, though he's still injury prone. BJ Goodson is having an okay'ish career as far as 4th round picks go. Johnathan Hankins is a guy I really thought the giants would regret letting walk but he been only okay for the Colts and Raiders. Not worth a big contract. Devon Kennard has been decent as far as 5th round picks go, but is mostly best as a rotational player. I have a feeling we won't be resigning Dalvin Tomlinsin because we have other priorities and not a whole lot of cap space in 2021, but I expect that is a decision we will regret. Also, I would not be shocked if Evan Engram goes elsewhere and does well. Will Hernandez is approaching bust status. The guy is a backup at best.

He was injury prone when he left NY...and he continued to be injury prone while in CLE. I think we made the right choice not paying a receiver $20mm per year for 8 games per year.

The guy has played just one full season in the past four years. Obviously there's no way to predict how it would have turned out had he stayed here, but looks like ditching ODB was the right move.

Or like when he helped force a three and out after the giants just went up 14-3, putting the initiative back in the giants hands? 3:00 Yeah, no impact

Oh you mean like he's had no red zone sacks while the opposing offensive was driving, to help completely short change the opposing offense and help force a field goal (which the team missed)? 5:33 Yeah sure...no impact.

Who says his sacks are garbage time sacks? What garbage time have the giants had the last two seasons when we've only won 5 games over that span, and have barely been up by a comfortable lead in any of them?

As a reference, here are how other top FA lineman are performing vs the trash we signed: Our trash: C Nick Gates PFF Grade: 47.5 T Cam Fleming: 52.9 (Don't tell me we expected Nate Solder to be a capable starter here) Other teams: C/G Graham Glasgow: 65.8 T Bryan Bulaga: 67.8 T Jack Conklin: 79.9 T Dj Humphries: 78.9 T Andrew Whitworth: 90.1 T Ty Sambrailo: 66.8 T Joe Haeg: 73.4 T Kelvin Beachum: 68.0

Aside from the defense, in what way is the team improving overall? The record is on track to be worse. The offense is ranked 31st vs 18th last year. The offensive line is worse this year than last. Daniel Jones is worse this year than last. The running game excl. Daniel Jones is pathetic and worse. Engram is worse. Shepherd still can't stay on the field. Golden Tate has regressed and his best years are behind him. At best, the defense got better, but the offense got worse, netting out at no improvement overall. Winning 4 games (i.e. going 3-6 the rest of the way, even seems like it might be a longshot. And I don't want to hear "but they're competitive and in these games..." not buying it. You are what your record is, and bad teams find ways to lose games. There's also really no indications that this offensive line will be fixed anytime soon; we're about 3 moves away from getting a starting capable, competent O-line, and our cap space after cuts won't be deep this offseason meaning if we're lucky, we'll land maybe 1 or 2 capable FA lineman.

Okay, just did an analysis on sacks per 100 defensive snaps for Golden this year vs last. Here it is 2019: 0.9 sacks per 100 snaps. 175 snaps played total 2020: 1.1 sacks per 100 snaps. 917 snaps played total In other words, if Golden had played the entire 2020 season and kept his current 0.9 per 100 snap sack rate, he would end up with 8 to 8.5 sacks by the end of the year. I agree with offloading him because it's a lost season anyway, but he was performing similar to last year on a per snap basis. We were clearly just under utilizing him.

The coordinator was barely playing him though...limited snaps. Watch him go put up 6-7 sacks in the next 9 games for the Cards.

And we have to face JPP, Shaq Barrett, Ndamukong Suh, and newly aquired Steve McLendon next week, lol. This offensive line is going to be murdered.

And he's been hurt and missed games throughout the last three years, lol.

Yes. Plus the defense blowing it as well.

DJ doesn't have a better team. The offensive line is worse this year than it was last year, and he has no Saquon Barkely, and Slayton is obviously not healthy. The shittiness of the OL cannot be understated. Here's what we have now: Fleming is worse than Remmers. Thomas is worse than Nate Solder. Gates is worse than Halapio. Zeitler has clearly regressed to being an average or fringe starter. Hernandez is about the same as last year, which is trash.

Peart looked great at LT in his limited time there, while Thomas has been a disaster. All I'm saying is put Peart who is more athletic back in at LT, and Thomas (who is notably slower and less athletic) and RT; it seems like a more natural fit.

DJ is fine, it's the offensive line that's the source of the problems on offense. DJ is only in his nineteenth game, has never had a great supporting cast around him starting with the OL, and it's way too early to judge. Don't get me wrong, if we win the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes, I think you take him, but if not, I see no reason to start all over with another rookie QB prospect. Lawrence is generational. Any other prospects in the 2021 draft will just be re-doing the last two years.

Lots of giants fans blaming Evan Engram and the defense, but let's not forget about the pathetic offensive line on this giants team which continues to crush this team on a consistent basis. The offensive line is somehow worse than it was last year and the year before. Fire Dave Gettlemen. Andrew Thomas in particular is a disaster. Why isn't Joe Judge playing Matt Peart? Move Thomas over to the right and give Peart another chance at LT. He can't possibly be worse than Thomas at LT, and Thomas can't be any worse than Fleming at RT.

The Giants somehow have a worse OL this year, and no Saquon Barkley. I don't think people realize just how pathetic our offensive line is.

This offensive line was a complete disgrace tonight.

Peart looked pretty decent at LT. Does he stay there going forward, and do we move Thomas over to RT? I'd be pretty happy if these guys are the two starting tackles for the gmen for the next 8 years.

Of course we're only going to win this game because the other team fucked up more.

Okay 3rd and 9. Here comes the 3rd down penalty causing a first down.

Ron Rivera has been just toying with Joe Judge all game. 20-13 soon.

So now we're in a place where the cliche "bad teams find a way to lose" applies (to us of course) Get ready for it. 3rd down penalty causing a first down 3rd and long conversion One or more 15 yard penalties QB will run for a 20 yard gain One of these will happen on this drive

This team looks completely flat. We deserve to lose.