mastershake

On Mayfield, I think if he were 6'4 or taller, he would be considered by front offices to be a top 10 pick, which to me (given his mobility) means he's a top 10 worthy pick. 6'1 QBs can make it in this league, especially ones that are mobile.

Can't look at stats alone. In fact, they can be very misleading. Check out some game film via youtube on them (not highlights, but play by play game film). Right now, I lean towards Rosen due to better decision making, poise in pocket, and what I see as slightly better passing form (lots of overthrows or passes floated by Darnold). Though, my caution on Rosen is, the past two years he's been somewhat injury prone. People say he has some character/personality concerns as well. Darnold may turn out fine, but as of right now, I think Rosen is better. That could change as the draft/offseason combine and workout process proceeds.

Cuts: Marshall, Jerry, Harris, Apple. Priorities: OL, LB, DB Note, I'm not set on Rosen and am open to trading down to acquire more draft picks. QB - Manning, Rosen, Webb. RB - Darkwa, Gallman, Perkins, Late round draft pick or low priced FA. WR - ODB, Shepard, Sign a veteran capable #3, WR #4, #5+ via late round draft or low priced FA and/or best on existing roster. TE - Engram, Ellison, Adams. OL - C Brett Jones, RG Fluker (Draft high and/or bring in three starting capable lineman to fill out the two T spots and the Guard spot). Flowers as backup or option of last resort at LT. Resign Pugh at for cheap on a one year "prove it" deal if you can, and put him at or LG. DE - JPP, Vernon, Moss, Okwara. DT - Harrison, Tomlinson, Thomas, late round pick or low priced FA for depth. LB - SLB Kennard (resign for cheap), MLB Goodson, WLB (Sign quality, starting capable FA), also sign quality FA depth. Draft high or mid-rounds at this position, and draft in volume. CB - Jenkins, DRC (at a significant pay cut, or sign starting capable FA), Cockrell (re-sign). Draft high or mid-rounds at this position, and draft in volume. FS - Adams, Thompson. SS - Collins, sign low priced FA or late round draft pick.

I'm very luke warm on Darnold and Rosen (Darnold since he's somewhat error prone, and Rosen since he's had some injuries), but I think you go QB with the pick. Personally I prefer Rosen based on what I've seen so far, hoping he can stay healthy...so we also need to put a capable OL in front of him.

Oh they didnt nix it; they botched it. They didnt submit the proper paperwork in time. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/10/browns_failed_to_approve_trade.html

Yep.

Id like to take a chance with Teddy Bridgwater. Offer him 2 years 10 million for a prove it type contract. Trade Eli to Denver for a 3rd round pick.

Why not?

I've seen Rosen quite a bit. He's pretty good. His issue is he can't stay on the field though, and I worry with the beating he'll take in the NFL that will remain the case in his career. I haven't seen enough of Darnold or Lamar Jackson yet. Baker Mayfield is okay. I didn't think he was anything special.

And his career with the Giants is likely done....cementing his status as Eli Lemon.

Eli Lemon and Erica Flowers are effectively two big draft busts at this point. Maybe Eli Lemon has a chance to turn it around, given his athleticism and lack of reps, but right now he's not looking good.

I take back everything I said about Flowers on this thread.

I must have missed that. Was he the one who blew it on Sunday?

After watching more this Sunday, Flowers has shown some improvement from earlier in the year...I'll grant him that. However, I still think he's C level at best, and he still needs to be flanked by a much better OL around him. And/or, if we can find an upgrade over him, we should take it.

Hes a 4 million dollar special teams gunner on punt coverage at this point, lol.

Eli Lemon is turning into the biggest top 10 pick bust for the giants since Ereck Flowers.

If DRC takes a pay cut down to like 4-5 mill, Id consider keeping him.

He's a 3rd corner at best at this point. You want to pay a 3rd corner $8.5mm next year?

Also, how could I forget: Cut Marshall too. That'll save about $5mm as well.

I think we should cut DRC (savings of $6.5mm) Jerry ($2.4mm), Dwayne Harris ($2.4mm), That's $11mm in savings right there, and puts out 2018 free cap number up to $31mm.

He's also a man that can't seem to stay on the field, unfortunately. Though, that may work to our favor...since that may turn off other teams, and perhaps we can resign him to a cheap one year "prove it" deal. Same again with re-signing Fluker.

Well theyll have to find a way. Especially since Pugh is injury prone and a free agent.

Here's what I'll give Flowers...if Flowers is flanked by B to A grade offensive lineman at LG, C, RG, and RT, I can live with that. I think he'll do better if he has better players around him (granted, that can be said for most OL). What I'm trying to say is, I think we need to find at least three starting caliber OL this offseason. Easier said than done I know. If we can't fill all of those gaps next to Flowers, but can find a great LT, why not pursue it and potentially bump Flowers inside to Guard?

Like I said...unlike in the first half of the season where hes had 4-5 plays per game where he runs around in a circle and doesnt even touch the defender, hes now down to 3-4 of those per game. Hes moved up to a D+.

I've watched Flowers...have you? He's marginal at best. His improvement is like going from a D- to a D+. He's not a long term solution at that position.