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LOL talk about a pipe dream.

Guys who have a future here - likely: Gallman Darkwa Engram Shepherd Ellison Pugh Harrison Tomlinson JPP Vernon Goodson Collins Jenkins But we need many more. Guys like Munson and Brett Jones are just depth/backups.

We have no OL, WR, secondary, or LB...Also, JPP and Vernon are clearly injured and underwhelming. We simply dont have the personnel to be competitive.

Another exciting day of dump offs and 3 yard in/out routes with 2 ints and less than 6 yards per pass attempt, for a total of 10 points.

We don't know what we have. Therefore if a potential franchise QB is there when we draft, we draft him.

Agreed. That's why I say, we're rarely in a top 5 position...so if we think a potential franchise QB is available when we pick (assuming we're top 5), I think we have to jump at taking him.

I'm not so sure about drafting a RB, particularly while we have a bad OL and fixing it will require substantial resources (signings and high draft picks), plus while Eli is so close to the end of his career (1 year left on contract, right?), plus while being in a top 5 draft position or in general in a position to draft a top QB is so elusive. I'd like to go through the full pre-draft evaluation process and hear more the OL's and QBs, assuming Darnold and Rosen. If a future franchise QB is there, you take him. Also, Barkey is good, but I don't see Zeke, Bell, or Fournette in him. Besides, all of those guys have decent OLs, unlike the giants. We all had a similar debate in 2004 when we drafted Eli. Do we stick with Collins or Warner, and instead draft another position? Or do we pick the guy we believe can be a franchise QB?

Hell no. Look at the teams we're playing. They're going to murder us.

Releasing Marshall isn't a bad idea, provided we re-invest the cap savings (~$5mm) into signing another WR, a suitable #2 WR. If we can't find a suitable #2 WR for that price, then we may as well keep Marshall around for one more year.

I was thinking of a somewhat similar plan, from a personnel point of view. 1 - OL - Pugh, Jones, and Fluker should remain starters at LG, C, and RG respectively. We're left with a dire need for starting caliber RT and LT. This is one I'd address via free agency rather than the draft. Behind them, can draft mid-rounds for depth and future development. 2 - LB situation - Casillas, Kennard, Robinson, and Sheppard are all free agents. They were also nothing special anyway. I'd like them all walk, unless we can get Kennard on the cheap to remain at SAM. In any case, we need to bring in two starting caliber outside LBs, particularly a WILL LB. 3 - QB - Draft either Darnold or Rosen,with the top 3-4 pick. Eli should have one or two good years left in him, and they can develop behind him. 4 - Next in line for priorities is the secondary. Draft heavy in the mid-rounds at CB and S. 5 - Remaining priorities are RB and depth at DL.

True. I'll try on my iphone later, instead of desktop.

A bunch of shit starting popping up on the NYDN website, over the article. Got tired of that bullshit and stopped reading after a paragraph. Can't deal with that shit. They should learn how to run ads and content on a website one of these days.

He's been okay. The two turnovers killed us.

Because this coaching staff is confused.

"Any QB to succeed." Who the hell was the last successful Vikings QB? Lol. They've had five QBs in the past 6 seasons.

I never thought it to be even remotely possible for the Giants to have a worse offense than the Dave Brown years of 95 and 96. I was dead wrong.

Three 3 and outs so far. 3 out of 6 pass plays that were the 2 yard in/out routes that went no where.

There's no real game today.

I'll take Keenum over Cousins.

Any of those reasons make no sense.

McAdoo said it himself, originally.

Yup. The "bench manning" crowd have no rationale for the move. Mara, Reese, and McAdoo are a laughing stock.

Some are contradictory

Okay...so the "bench manning" crowd keeps changing the story and their rationale for why manning was benched. - Geno gives us the best chance of winning. - We have to see what we have. - It's time to turn the page; Eli is finished. - We're doing it for Eli's health; he'll be back next year. - We're doing to because we're tanking for a better draft pick. So which is it? You guys keep jumping around and making it up as you go along.

Again, what evaluation do you expect to get out of a QB behind a practice squad offense, particularly behind a practice squad offensive line? How well they throw the ball away? How well they take a pounding? How well they run for their life? How well they throw the 2 yard out routes? What information are you getting? If anything, it might be misleading information since this offense is so bad, and the personnel is not even realistic of what a future roster would look like. You're more likely to get the potential future QB killed and/or to ruin his confidence, than you are to "see what we have."