Herc Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 At his age there’s a chance he hasn’t hit his ceiling either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Him and Vernon are just a bad comparison. Not very similar dudes. Burns is a much better athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 From The Atlantic. This ain't good, fellas. We're hoping he plays up to his contract and as I often say, "hope is not a strategy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Burns rushes the passer and plays the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxRik Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 5 hours ago, Sephiroth said: Didn't have time to do my own research but listened to the Talkin' Giants guys on this heading into work today. I knew Burns was a good player but their take on him was that he's a good player making top-2 EDGE money. Only had double-digit sacks in one year, falls in the 30s in the league for pass rush win rate and sacks most years according to advanced statistics. Sounds like an Olivier Vernon situation. We'll see how things shake out but I would have preferred Danielle Hunter for this type of money. Also, I'm not sure what we're supposed to do about QB and other positions of need now. That extra second could have gotten us a trade up in the 1st, or nabbed us one of the second tier QBs should they fall (Penix, Nix, etc). This draft class is also stocked at G, RT, and WR, all positions of need; in most mocks very good players are still available there. Now we're unlikely to have a shot at any of those guys, and all for a guy who's averaging less than 10 sacks per season. Not a fan of this. I think it reeks of desperation by Shoen and is a very shortsighted plan/outlook, plus we grossly overpaid. This is the type of stuff that got Gettleman fired. Hope the plan isn't to reach for McCarthy. Stop. Just....stop it. You're just jealous Schoen isn't implementing your plan...AGAIN! Burns is going to bring us all satisSACKtion this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Scheffler: Danielle Hunter to the Texans on a two-year, $49 million deal, including $48 million guaranteed, per source. The deal has a max value of $51 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 hours ago, BronxRik said: Stop. Just....stop it. You're just jealous Schoen isn't implementing your plan...AGAIN! Burns is going to bring us all satisSACKtion this year. You say this now, but when Schoen is on the street in two years and there's six All-Pros on my "Seph would have drafted" list, it'll be Schoen who will be jealous OF ME!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 12 minutes ago, Herc said: Scheffler: Danielle Hunter to the Texans on a two-year, $49 million deal, including $48 million guaranteed, per source. The deal has a max value of $51 million. That's a nice deal for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. P Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I wouldn’t be mad at him at 6 either. I want a qb and if our team thought highly enough to take him at 6 then awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CrazedDogs Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 10 hours ago, BlueInCanada said: lol, they really had to massage the numbers to come up with this list. Make the cutoff 7 sacks and there are some kind of scrubby guys on the list. Make the cutoff 8 sacks and Burns isn't on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman_NYG Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 This is a young pass rusher thats just entering his prime. Plus he has Thibs on the other end - a luxury he didnt have at Carolina. If anything, the Burns trade makes both of him and Thibs better. Fantastic trade IMO - getting a prime pass rusher who might not yet have hit his ceiling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, CrazedDogs said: lol, they really had to massage the numbers to come up with this list. Make the cutoff 7 sacks and there are some kind of scrubby guys on the list. Make the cutoff 8 sacks and Burns isn't on it. I was thinking the same thing. Reminds me of when we had the data manipulation unit for College Comp II. "There is only a 8 in 2300 chance of you getting permanently ill from this product!" "So like... a little under one in 300? That actually sounds pretty risky." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 4 hours ago, CrazedDogs said: lol, they really had to massage the numbers to come up with this list. Make the cutoff 7 sacks and there are some kind of scrubby guys on the list. Make the cutoff 8 sacks and Burns isn't on it. Who are all the scrubby guys with 7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, Mr. P said: Who are all the scrubby guys with 7? bro don't make me do actual research. I'm just talking shit. off the top of my head though, thats when we get into the Kenny Holmes level guys. Good players, generally. But not the kind of comp you want to see when you're talking giving up prime draft picks and $30 million per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 5 minutes ago, CrazedDogs said: bro don't make me do actual research. I'm just talking shit. off the top of my head though, thats when we get into the Kenny Holmes level guys. Good players, generally. But not the kind of comp you want to see when you're talking giving up prime draft picks and $30 million per year. Prime draft picks that we got extra from a trade. And 30 million a year is the new 20 million a year. By next year Burns probably isn't even in the top 5 of pass rushing contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, CrazedDogs said: bro don't make me do actual research. I'm just talking shit. off the top of my head though, thats when we get into the Kenny Holmes level guys. Good players, generally. But not the kind of comp you want to see when you're talking giving up prime draft picks and $30 million per year. oh. Edit: Kenny Holmes only topped 7 sacks twice in his first 5 seasons, not all of his first 5 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CrazedDogs Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 15 hours ago, Mr. P said: oh. Edit: Kenny Holmes only topped 7 sacks twice in his first 5 seasons, not all of his first 5 seasons. damn it. you're going to make me learn how to use PFR, aren't you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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