RandolphScott Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Any GM who traded a 3rd round pick for David Carr would be fired right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Any GM who traded a 3rd round pick for David Carr would be first right away. Someone might give a 5 for shell shocked Carr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I like the Hankins pick. Giants gave up 130 yards rushing per game last year. They gave up 35 rushing touchdowns. Anyone who doesn't like this pick probably has Alfred Morris on your fantasy football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Read rapid reaction on the Giants’ fourth-round selection of quarterback Ryan Nassib out of Syracuse. Let us know your grade of the draft so far in the comments section below. Mike Mayock, NFL.com I told you I've known this kid since high school. I am so happy for this kid. He's a passionate kid with an edge. He's got some footwork issues, but if you want to talk about a kid with an edge to him who will make his teammates better, this is the kid. He's a tough kid. He lives in the weightroom. Read more >> SI.com The most technically sound quarterback in the Draft, Nassib's quick and compact release combines with his footwork so that he can consistently set-up and get rid of the ball in a flash. Light on his feet, Nassib slides within the pocket, strides into his throws and makes accurate passes to all areas of the field. He has consistently shown the ability to step-up to avoid the deep rush, the quickness and agility to avoid pressure up the middle and can re-set and throw accurately. Not one who will win any arm strength battles, Nassib clearly has enough arm strength to make every NFL throw with zip and accuracy. I am confident that he has the arm to be effective throwing in some of the tougher stadiums, like Buffalo and New York. A consistently accurate passer, he does an excellent job of hitting receivers right as they come out of their cuts so that they can pluck the ball, tuck it away and get started up the field fast. Always poised within the pocket, Nassib does not get rattled as the pocket gets squeezed, which is good because he was constantly pressured and would not have been so productive at Syracuse if he could not deal with constant pressure. Able to make strong and accurate throws with pressure in his face and willing to throw the ball away rather than force passes into dangerous spots, Nassib does not make the errors that many quarterbacks do when the pocket purity is breached. Read more >> CBSSports.com Strong-armed passer with a knack for out-playing more highly regarded competition. Intangibles scouts love at QB. Has good-enough arm strength to make throws at all levels of the field with great mechanics and beautiful ball fakes. Tends to make poor reads under pressure and force throws, but is a smart player and does a nice job using his eyes to hold defenders. Read more >> ESPN What he brings: Nassib has a sturdy build and improved throughout his career. He has also made strides as a decision maker. However, his release is not fluid and he struggles to change up release points, which can affect his accuracy when he is not on a level platform. Finally, he lacks ideal touch and struggles to change ball speed and trajectory. He has the mental makeup to develop if he continues to work on his mechanics. Read more >> Sporting News The Giants jump on a quarterback here, with the value of the remaining passers so high. Nassib will be Eli Manning's backup the next two or three years but could be a future starter elsewhere. Read more >> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinBlue Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 I'm warming up to the pick. I'm a huge Syracuse fan because I live a half hour away from the Dome, but I love the Giants more. There were three players on the SU squad that were NFL quality players (Pugh, Nassib, and Shamarko Thomas). All three of them are stud football players and I always want to see ex-SU players do well and they usually do. I've liked Nassib a lot because I've spent so much time watching him. He's a real gamer and fits the perfect description of "pocket QB". He's does better at every aspect of the game than anything I've ever seen from Carr. Even as a rookie, I would have more faith in him coming into the game than I do in Carr. Here's a nice summary of Carr: "Carr makes a great living as a capable backup, but he's not a guy that teams want starting games for them". One year contract: 940,000 dollars a year for carrying a clip board. I'd love to be in Carr's shoes and get a million dollars a year and a front row seat to all the Giants games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 This reminds me of a San Fran move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 He took one of the biggest reaches of the first round instead of his own guy. I trust Reese but I guess our team is perfect if we are gonna dick around with multiple picks so we can be Andy Reid one year and hope we get more valuable picks back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I haven't ever bitched about taking lbers in the mid rounds. In my 7guy rd mock, I had a mid rounder and a late rounder. Also, highly doubtful Moore helps us this year. He won't be playing defensive end at 250, I can say that. He's a special teamer right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 By the way, there were some good linebackers in that list, better ones than we've had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaNJ Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 NAZ .....funk his name is Nassib...you should be turning to Mecca and doing backflips. LOL Lol I just cracked the fuck up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I haven't ever bitched about taking lbers in the mid rounds. In my 7guy rd mock, I had a mid rounder and a late rounder. Also, highly doubtful Moore helps us this year. He won't be playing defensive end at 250, I can say that. He's a special teamer right now. he weighed 260 at his pro day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I haven't ever bitched about taking lbers in the mid rounds. In my 7guy rd mock, I had a mid rounder and a late rounder. Also, highly doubtful Moore helps us this year. He won't be playing defensive end at 250, I can say that. He's a special teamer right now. Michael Strahan played defensive end from 2005 to 2007 at 250. He'll be fine. Basically you just drafted another Osi Umenyiora. Nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFP Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Looking at our 31st ranked defense, which gave up more 3rd and 20's than I thought was mathematically possible, the one thing I thought we needed to fit into Fewell's Cover-2 scheme was not a linebacker with tremendous range, but rather, a backup QB that will likely not be on the team when Eli retires in 7 years. So, at the end if the season, when teams like the falcons and ravens are bending over our defense like an overaged porn queen, I'll look over at the dude holding the clipboard and thank God for this 4th round move. Go Bears! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Michael Strahan played defensive end from 2005 to 2007 at 250. He'll be fine. Basically you just drafted another Osi Umenyiora. Nothing wrong with that. Exactly and the Giants, want him 265, he has the frame to add 15 pounds easily, I think we fix his poor workout habits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinBlue Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 Looking at our 31st ranked defense, which gave up more 3rd and 20's than I thought was mathematically possible, the one thing I thought we needed to fit into Fewell's Cover-2 scheme was not a linebacker with tremendous range, but rather, a backup QB that will likely not be on the team when Eli retires in 7 years. So, at the end if the season, when teams like the falcons and ravens are bending over our defense like an overaged porn queen, I'll look over at the dude holding the clipboard and thank God for this 4th round move. Go Bears! Wow...you really are a sour puss today Joe. We've picked up 3 players, 2 of which will probably start this year and have put a couple of new studs on our defensive line....which (outside of our aging o-line) was our biggest problem last year. Have a little faith man! Now...if we pick another QB with our 5th pick...I'll join you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Wow...you really are a sour puss today Joe. We've picked up 3 players, 2 of which will probably start this year and have put a couple of new studs on our defensive line....which (outside of our aging o-line) was our biggest problem last year. Have a little faith man! I think barring injury the only one with a chance of starting this year is Pugh. Joseph and Jenkins are def the dt starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 yeah, hankins is a completely different type of player i dont know why people call him austin. and people bitch about us taking linebackers in the mid to late rounds, and then when we don't they bitch about that too. And year after year, I hear Reese doesn't value the oline, then we take an elite OT and no one likes it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Looking at our 31st ranked defense, which gave up more 3rd and 20's than I thought was mathematically possible, the one thing I thought we needed to fit into Fewell's Cover-2 scheme was not a linebacker with tremendous range, but rather, a backup QB that will likely not be on the team when Eli retires in 7 years. So, at the end if the season, when teams like the falcons and ravens are bending over our defense like an overaged porn queen, I'll look over at the dude holding the clipboard and thank God for this 4th round move. Go Bears! Good when Nassib, is being compared to Rodgers and Greene is on IR for the fifth straight year, I hope you still like the Bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 oh and we already have a faster Greene on the roster in Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 The New York Giants have on their roster a two-time Super Bowl MVP quarterback who is in the prime of his career and who has never missed a regular season start. They also had an extra draft pick to use on some "glaring needs" such as linebacker, safety, defensive line, and offensive line thanks to their 2012 free agency losses outweighing their gains. So why, then did the Giants not only burn a draft pick on quarterback Ryan Nassib out of Syracuse, who might very well never see the field, according to General Manager Jerry Reese, the man who signed off on the pick? Moreover, why would they trade up to get him and give up one of the extra picks they have in the process? Relax, Giants fans. There's a perfectly logical explanation to all of these questions. Reese spoke of the value that Nassib brings to the table as a player and notes that he could very well be in the mix to backup manning instead of David Carr. But the real value that Nassib brings to the table is in the future. Look around the NFL at the trades recently that have involved backup quarterback, such as Kevin Kolb (Philadelphia Eagles to the Arizona Cardinals), Alex Smith (San Francisco 49ers to the Kansas City Chiefs), Matt Flynn (Seattle Seahawks to the Oakland Raiders). In each case, the trading team has come away with pretty good value in return - usually second round picks, which a team just can't get from the compensatory selection process. Let's start with Kolb. Traded by the Eagles to the Cardinals in 2011, the Eagles received defensive back Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and the Cardinals' second round pick in the 2012 draft. And thanks to the Cardinals 5-11 record in 2011, the Eagles got themselves an extra pick high enough in the second round. Smith? The Chiefs gave up their second round pick this year and a conditional pick in 2014 which is believed to be at least a third round pick, but which could reportedly become a second round selection if Smith meets certain playing conditions. Flynn? The Raiders sent their fifth round pick in the 2014 draft and a conditional pick in the 2015 draft. Not a bad way to make sure you have a couple of extra picks, regardless of what happens in free agency with the compensatory selections. So let's get back to Nassib and the Giants. Even if Nassib never takes a snap for the Giants, he's already proven to be a valuable addition to the team if he can show something in the next several preseasons to where interest could develop in him by some team desperate for a signal caller. And chances are that team will have a pretty nice spot in the pecking order, which would translate into the Giants getting some higher picks just for making what appears to be a sacrifice this year on a position that they really didn't "need." That's called intelligent drafting because it takes the future into consideration while also seeks to make the present better at the same time. And if the unthinkable should happen and the Giants need to call on Nassib to step in for Manning? "We hope Eli plays for long, long time, and maybe this young man will never play. But if he has to play, we think he has a good skill set to help us win football games," Reese said. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-york-giants-fourth-round-selection-qb-ryan-181900344.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 And year after year, I hear Reese doesn't value the oline, then we take an elite OT and no one likes it For the record, I don't hate the Pugh pick, just thought that Datone Jones or Floyd was much greater value there, and I would've traded up to get Watson in the 2nd, who is probably going to be a better OT than Pugh, but doesn't translate as well inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFP Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Good when Nassib, is being compared to Rodgers and Greene is on IR for the fifth straight year, I hope you still like the Bears. Nassib will not see the field outside of preseason and 4th quarter blowouts. If Eli was 36 this pick makes sense. Our defense will suck next year.....book it The only consolation is I can watch the bears if I want to check out good line backing (5th best defense in the nfl last year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Nassib will not see the field outside of preseason and 4th quarter blowouts. If Eli was 36 this pick makes sense. Our defense will suck next year.....book it The only consolation is I can watch the bears if I want to check out good line backing (5th best defense in the nfl last year) He has three years left on his enormous contract, he may not retire a Giant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 oh and we already have a faster Greene on the roster in Williams. J. Will is also bigger, we have The same thing in Paysinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 He has three years left on his enormous contract, he may not retire a Giant The fuck you just say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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