KillaKyle's Mock Draft (3/18)

[KiLLaKyLe]

I don't know if anyone else posts mock drafts, but it's one of my favorite things to do in the offseason. While this is probably my 7th or 8th mock of the offseason, this is my first here. Hope you guys enjoy!

 

1. Cornelius "Tank" Carradine

Position: Defensive End

School: Florida State

Height: 6'4"

Weight: 274 lbs.

Forty Time: N/A

Bench Press: 28 reps

Vertical: N/A

Highlights:

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Comments: I know everyone compares Ziggy Ansah to JPP, but the true comparison is Tank Carradine. He excelled in junior college for a few years, and was given a starting spot at FSU because of injury. From the moment he got his opportunity, he took advantage of it. He's explosive off the snap with very strong hands. Uses his leverage well to get past OTs. Great motor who hustles from sideline-to-sideline. Has a wide variety of pass rushing moves in his arsenal. While he lacks experience against major competition, it is easy to realize that he is the most talented pass rusher in this draft class. Why isn't he considered a top 10 pick? He tore his ACL in November. While this is a major injury concern, he is supposedly months ahead of schedule and plans on having a workout for NFL teams before the draft. This kid is a freak athlete that would be a perfect complement to JPP and strike fear in offenses around the league.

 

 

2. Kyle Long

Position: Offensive Tackle/Guard

School: Oregon

Height: 6'6"

Weight: 313 lbs.

Forty Time: 4.94 seconds

Bench Press: N/A

Vertical: 28 inches

Highlights:

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Comments: First of all, Long's got the bloodlines to suceed in the NFL. His brother is Chris Long, DE for the Rams, and his father is hall-of-famer Howie Long. Kyle is a multi-sport athlete, having received a scholarship from FSU for baseball and was drafted by the White Sox. He has som experience playing DE early in his collegiate career. He's definitely got the size to play both on the exterior and interior of the offensive line. Good lower-body strength and flexibility will help him translate to OT at the next level. Explodes out of his stance, knocking DEs back immediately. Excellent mobility will allow for pulls and screen plays. He is still new to the sport and position, so he is quite raw. Tends of overextend, which causes loss of balance. Tendency to lunge at players. Has the athleticism and potential to be a Pro-Bowler on the offensive line, but will need some coaching help. I think he translates best as a RT in the NFL, but could also be an effective guard. Reminds me of Brandon Albert from the Chiefs. May not start right away, but I can definitely see a place for him on this line a year from now.

 

 

3. D.J. Swearinger

Position: Safety

School: South Carolina

Height: 5'10"

Weight: 208 lbs.

Forty Time: 4.67 seconds

Bench Press: 17 reps

Vertical: 37 inches

Highlights: Ultimate Highlights ;

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Comments: Four year starter and captain of the defense at South Carolina. Has played CB, FS, SS, and slot CB in college so he is versatile. High-motor player who plays downhill. Delivers vicious hits that may be flagged in the NFL. Will scare WRs from running routes over the middle of the field. Can play in-the-box or as a deep safety. Loves to contribute in run support. Effective blitzer and does a great job shedding blocks. Attacks the ball in the air well and has a tendency to dislodge the ball from the pass catcher. Good hands and can make the difficult interception. May not have the speed for single-high safety, although he was used in this role frequently, but excels in two-deep. Tendency to leave his feet or go low on tackles. May be too aggresive. Gets overly physical in coverage. Reminds me of Dashon Goldson of the 49ers. With Rolle's ridiculously overpriced contract, I'm expecting the Giants to start looking for the future at safety soon. Maybe Stevie and Will Hill are part of that, but I doubt Rolle is. Anyways, I think Swearinger could start right away, but it won't happen. He'd be excellent in the 3rd safety role right away for Fewell. Will eventually be starting at either FS or SS for this team, and will be difference-maker in the secondary.

 

 

4. Kiko Alonso

Position: Linebacker

School: Oregon

Height: 6'3"

Weight: 238 lbs.

Forty Time: N/A

Bench Press: N/A

Vertical: N/A

Highlights: Ultimate Highlights ;

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Comments: Alonso has had an eventful career at Oregon. Has been charged for a DUI and breaking into a house while intoxicated, and also tore his ACL in 2010. Even with the mishaps, Alonso was a major contributor for the Oregon defense. While I am nervous about the off-field issues, having former teammate Spencer Paysinger will be very beneficial for his new and former teammate. First off all, he is a versatile linebacker who can play in a 3-4 and 4-3. I think he can play all three LB positions in the 4-3, but translates best as a SLB or MLB. Does the little things. Knows the technique for shedding blocks and has a powerful punch. Great at timing blitzes. Can cover RBs in the flats. Great awareness in coverage. Great motor and high effort. Great at penetrating on goal-line situations. Wrap-up tackler. Has trouble reading running lanes and attacking the FB. Takes himself out of plays with wasted movement. Overall, reminds me of Daryl Washington of the Cardinals. He is an explosive and linear athlete. Great special teams value and will contribute in nickel packages. I see him being the MLB of the future for the Giants, as long as he can translate from Oregon's unique defense to the Giants defense. Could also be a starting SLB if the Giants prefer a better athlete in the middle.

 

 

5. Brian Winters

Position: Offensive Guard

School: Kent State

Height: 6'4"

Weight: 320 lbs.

Forty Time: N/A

Bench Press: 9 reps (hurt during workout)

Vertical: N/A

Highlights:

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Comments: Winters was an all-state football player and wrestler in high school. He's played LT and RT during his collegiate career, but translates to a guard in the NFL. Explosive off the snap and finishes blocks through the play. Throws around small defensive linemen. Natural flexibility which helps in pass protection. Great at moving the pile. Can get to the next level and take out LBs. Frame has more room to add strength. Needs some help vs. stronger linemen. Is much stronger than his combine bench indicates. Compares to Adam Snyder of the Cardinals. I think will be the true gem of this class right away. I think he could start from day one, like Diehl did as a rookie. He can come in and contribute at LG right away if Boothe isn't retained. Has the ability to be a starter for a decade. Provides depth at guard and tackle because of his experience at the college level.

 

 

6a. D.J. Hayden

Position: Cornerback

School: Houston

Height: 5'11"

Weight: 191 lbs.

Forty Time: 4.42 seconds (Pro Day)

Bench Press: N/A

Vertical: N/A

Highlights:

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Comments: Hayden has one of the most unique medical concerns in all of football. He tore a vein (inferior vena cava), which carries blood from the lower-half of the body to the heart. This injury is something that happens often in car accidents, and 95% of its victims are killed. This is going to be a very strange case in the NFL. Hayden has the talent to be a day two pick, easily. Before this freak injury, he played nine games recording eight pass breakups, one forced fumble, one fumble recovery, four interceptions, and two touchdowns. He's got great quickness and timed speed. Can man-up outside or in the slot. Excellent change-of-direction ability. Plays off-man well and can cover ground quickly. Has the toughness to win 50/50 balls with WRs. Good wrap-up tackler in run support. Has a knack for creating turnovers. Only has average size and no elite athleticism. May not be strong enough to continually press in the NFL. Nobody knows how well he will return after the life-threatening injury. Being compared to Richard Marshall. I think this could be an excellent sleep on draft day. He has all the ability to be a top-3 round CB, but injuries have made him undraftable to some teams. Could provide depth right away but can be coached up into being a starter if he checks out medically.

 

 

7a. Steve Beauharnais

Position: Linebacker

School: Rutgers

Height: 6'1"

Weight: 240 lbs.

Forty Time: 4.84 seconds

Bench Press: 19 reps

Vertical: 33 inches

Highlights:

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Comments: Although his teammate Greene got all the hype, Beauharnais has been a productive player for Rutgers all four years. He is a durable athlete with ample strength. Excels in run support and has a knack for stopping RBs and FBs in their tracks. Uses hands well to shed blockers. Athletic enough to handle coverage, but shouldn't be covering players often. Will only see the field as a SLB, and possibly a two-down MLB. Solid hands in coverage. Also has the ability to put his hand in the dirt and rush the passer. Doesn't have the agility to play man-to-man coverage. He is being compared to Desmond Bishop. While he may never be a starter, I think he can be an excellent reserve LB and stud special teams player.

 

 

7b. Lucas Reed

Position: Tight End

School: New Mexico

Height: 6'6"

Weight: 247 lbs.

Forty Time: 4.65 seconds

Bench Press: 25 reps

Vertical: 37 inches

Highlights: N/A

Comments: Let me preface this discussion by saying that this pick was just my guess as to who TE coach Mike Pope said he is in love with in the draft. Reed is the brother of Texans LB Brooks Reed, and has been very inconsistent in college. Has all the athletic ability to be a TE in the NFL. He had to be corrected by coaches at the Shrine game multiple times because his route running is very raw. His production in college has declined every year. This guy is probably only a training camp body and possible practice squad TE, but I think Pope can mold him into being a solid TE in the NFL.

 

 

 

So, what do you guys think?

[osi724dasack]

LOVE that draft.

 

Hate your 3rd round pick though.

 

But Love every other pick.

 

I would be thrilled if we drafted these guys. I'd take Marcus Lattimore or A different DB in the 3rd.

 

I hate safety's under 6-0

[osi724dasack]

Excellent mock though!!

 

Thanks for posting I'm watching highlights of the 3rd round S and he's opening my mind about him.

[osi724dasack]

Lol Jim and BB25 gotta step there game up.

 

KillaKyle with the Killa mock!

 

Highlight videos, pictures!!

 

This is exceptionally done! Bravo!

[KiLLaKyLe]

LOVE that draft.

 

Hate your 3rd round pick though.

 

But Love every other pick.

 

I would be thrilled if we drafted these guys. I'd take Marcus Lattimore or A different DB in the 3rd.

 

I hate safety's under 6-0

Excellent mock though!!

 

Thanks for posting I'm watching highlights of the 3rd round S and he's opening my mind about him.

Lol Jim and BB25 gotta step there game up.

 

KillaKyle with the Killa mock!

 

Highlight videos, pictures!!

 

This is exceptionally done! Bravo!

 

Funny because I posted this mock on another forum I frequent and they loved the draft but hated safety in the 3rd. I think Swearinger is the real deal. Probably my favorite safety in the draft. Kid brings it all to the table. Inter-changeable and can play deep or in the box. Also, remember that Stevie Brown is going to be a free agent next year. Giants are going to be in the market for a safety whether its Stevie, a FA, a draft pick, or possible bring KP back (one can only hope, lol).

 

I definitely do not want anything to do with Lattimore, especially in the 3rd. I love him as a person, but two knee injuries basically kill all the hope I have for him. The 3rd round is such a crucial draft pick that you can't risk it on a player like him.

 

Sorry other mock drafters, didn't mean to raise the bar like that. I don't expect you to put as much effort into that, because it was probably too much. I just wanted to add the highlight videos to win some people over on prospects, like you are with Swearinger. Appreciate the positive feedback.

[boohyah]

I think you did a great job here and whereas Osi doesn't like your third round pick, I think most teams get solid picks with guys like this, 4 year guys, who lead on the field and have been part of a top college program playing big games every weekend. Usually translates well to the pros.

[Nas]

Since I know next to nothing about college football, I trust your insight along with the trio of Jim, BB25, and Fish. And I'll tell you the same thing I always tell Jim... Get a life!!!

[Herc]

i don't watch college so i'm clueless about the draft and writeups like these are gold to me. thanks man

[osi724dasack]

Herc I don't watch college either, but 60 mins of draft research a week and you can be adequately informed.

 

That's if you have extra time to kill witch many don't.

[Herc]

i wish man. i can read stuff during breaks at work but if i go anywhere near youtube the day is shot

[KiLLaKyLe]

I've been putting this thing together for about a week. I usually try to do one player a day to get one of these done. But yeah, definitely time-consuming. I haven't watched all of those videos either, I watched some and just linked all I saw relevant. Most of comments are just a collection from my knowledge of watching, and websites like nfl.com & cbssports.com.

[gmenroc]

Absolutely love the Kyle Long pick in the 2nd. I've mocked him to us myself. I like too, the defensive line in the first, although I'm looking more at the interior DT position. I know we're losing Umenyiora this year, but I think we can roll with Tuck and JPP, especially with the news that came out that there will be less rotation this season. Perhaps that 'less rotations' speech was just smoke and mirrors to mask our intention of going D-End in the first. Either way, I can certainly support the first two picks.

 

As for the 3rd, I don't think we'd make Safety the priority. We have Will Hill, Stevie Brown, Antrel Rolle, Ryan Mundy, and even Tyler Sash all on the roster. We can debate how good/bad these guys are, but at least 3 of them have shown flashes of being a starter in this league. I'd be much more interesed in a CB in the 3rd or even a LB. I've looked at the stats of a Robert Alford out of Southeastern Louisiana. Haven't had the chance to look at game tape yet on him, but plan to do so here soon.

 

In the 4th, I'd agree with LBer as the way to go. Nico Johnson out of Alabama is one of the guys who piqued my interest, if for no other reason, that he was the middle of one of the better college defenses in what's recognized as being a pro-style or pro-run program. I don't know whether he was the one making the defensive calls/adjustments or not, but no doubt he needed to have the knowledge of where everyone else needed to be on a given play.

 

A Guard in the 5th or 6th is on my list too. Another name to throw out there is Hugh Thornton out of Illinois. But I've got him in the 6th. I did my mock weeks ago, and haven't adjusted much since free agency began or the combine ended. So my mock is dated to say the least.

 

All in all, I like your mock, especially the positions presented, again, except maybe the 3rd rounder. A WR at some point might be in consideration too, simply to provide insurance (by insurance, I mean leverage) in the Cruz/Nicks contract negotiations.

[Herc]

i'd love a guy named tank on our team

[Mr. P]

Lol Jim and BB25 gotta step there game up.

 

KillaKyle with the Killa mock!

 

Highlight videos, pictures!!

 

This is exceptionally done! Bravo!

 

 

people forget about my grabbing of the sportswrath draft expert championship belt last year.

 

 

 

http://www.sportswrath.com/index.php?showtopic=42739&hl=mock

 

 

in the words of jim:

 

Scoring results of the first round mocks:

 

ALL HAIL PDUB!

 

 

and

 

 

But lastly, I want to say that Pdouble, I don't know how you did it, but you are the man! Great job with your mock.

[Allstarjim]

Nice Pdub. I don't know how much time I'll have this year to do a spreadsheet and all of that draft analysis I did last year. I'm paying attention, but I just haven't had as much time for looking at player videos, combine results, and statistics.

 

I'd love to do a 5 up, 5 down again, as that was something that was really cool, I thought, and introduced players that I, and one would assume, you guys, hadn't really heard of. If you didn't see it last year, or don't remember, I took the Giants draft position in each round, posted the ranked player at that spot from CBS Sports, and then did the 5 players ahead of him and the 5 below him on the ranking. And a few of those players were actually drafted by the Giants in that round. I re-call that was a lot of work.

 

On to Killa Kyle's mock. I applaud your effort and it's a nicely thought out mock. I think you wanted a bold prediction at 19 that was a little against the grain in Carradine. As an FSU fan, I love Carradine. But if he goes in the first, it won't be until around pick 27 or later. He could be as good as you are saying, but the injury matters, and he didn't play hardly at all last season. If this draft was hurting for pass rushers, he could be the guy at 19 for us. But that's just too high in this draft. Mayock has Carradine as the fifth best 4-3 DE prospect in this draft, as he has it broken down into 4-3 DE's and 3-4 DE's. Which I think is a bit odd, because some players can do either. Example, he has William Gholston as the fifth best 3-4 DE, but he played 4-3 DE at Mich St, and could probably do either one in the NFL... although he projects to be a better run defender than pass rusher at the next level, IMO, to Mayock's point. But my point is that there is certainly some bleed over in his rankings. Anyhow, he has Carradine behind Bjoern Werner, Ziggy Ansah, Damontre Moore and Sam Montgomery. I saw on the bottom line on NFL Network last night he also has Alex Okafor tied with Carradine, but not shown on his rankings as posted on NFL.com - http://www.nfl.com/d...-2013-nfl-draft

 

 

Not to say that Carradine isn't a great talent, and I think he very well good move up draft boards. But I just don't see him at 19 as very likely.

[KiLLaKyLe]

As for the 3rd, I don't think we'd make Safety the priority. We have Will Hill, Stevie Brown, Antrel Rolle, Ryan Mundy, and even Tyler Sash all on the roster. We can debate how good/bad these guys are, but at least 3 of them have shown flashes of being a starter in this league. I'd be much more interesed in a CB in the 3rd or even a LB. I've looked at the stats of a Robert Alford out of Southeastern Louisiana. Haven't had the chance to look at game tape yet on him, but plan to do so here soon.

 

In the 4th, I'd agree with LBer as the way to go. Nico Johnson out of Alabama is one of the guys who piqued my interest, if for no other reason, that he was the middle of one of the better college defenses in what's recognized as being a pro-style or pro-run program. I don't know whether he was the one making the defensive calls/adjustments or not, but no doubt he needed to have the knowledge of where everyone else needed to be on a given play.

 

A Guard in the 5th or 6th is on my list too. Another name to throw out there is Hugh Thornton out of Illinois. But I've got him in the 6th. I did my mock weeks ago, and haven't adjusted much since free agency began or the combine ended. So my mock is dated to say the least.

 

All in all, I like your mock, especially the positions presented, again, except maybe the 3rd rounder. A WR at some point might be in consideration too, simply to provide insurance (by insurance, I mean leverage) in the Cruz/Nicks contract negotiations.

 

Of the five safeties you mentioned, I really don't feel completely comfortable starting any of them. Rolle and Stevie are below-average in coverage, and Hill is very unproven. Mundy and Sash are essentially just special teams players who can play as an in-the-box safety. Any other role and they will be exposed. Honestly, out of the five, I'd say that Will Hill is the only one who I can see being a starter on this team in three years. I think the Giants have more depth at CB than S with Webby-Prince-Hosley-Ross-T2. That's a formidable group with solid depth and players with starting experience across the board. Not a huge fan of Alford. I like him, but he is being hyped off of his forty time and I don't like the fact that he played against worse competition in college.

 

Not a fan of Nico Johnson for the Giants. Nico seems like he would fit best as a 3-4 thumper, not in the middle of a 4-3 defense where you need to run sideline-to-sideline and be asked to cover TEs and RBs constantly. Nico may be pro-ready, just not for this scheme.

 

I was actually debating between Thornton and Winters with my pick. I ultimately went Winters because I feel like he has higher potential and the Giants have set up a pre-draft meeting with him. I'd be ecstatic with either in the 5th round though.

 

I think people should really lighten up to the idea of safety in the draft. Maybe not the first round, but there is tons of great safety talent in this draft. Rolle is entering his 4th year of a 5 year deal, and Stevie is going to be a FA after this year. Giants need to make moves at this position because there isn't two future starters on this roster right now. One late-round S prospect who has gotten a ton of attention today is Cooper Taylor. He's 6'4", 230 lbs, ran somewhere between 4.45-4.55 in today's pro-day, and had a faster 3-cone drill than Milliner. Could be a steal late. I haven't put any research into him, but intriguing prospect.

 

Nice Pdub. I don't know how much time I'll have this year to do a spreadsheet and all of that draft analysis I did last year. I'm paying attention, but I just haven't had as much time for looking at player videos, combine results, and statistics.

 

I'd love to do a 5 up, 5 down again, as that was something that was really cool, I thought, and introduced players that I, and one would assume, you guys, hadn't really heard of. If you didn't see it last year, or don't remember, I took the Giants draft position in each round, posted the ranked player at that spot from CBS Sports, and then did the 5 players ahead of him and the 5 below him on the ranking. And a few of those players were actually drafted by the Giants in that round. I re-call that was a lot of work.

 

On to Killa Kyle's mock. I applaud your effort and it's a nicely thought out mock. I think you wanted a bold prediction at 19 that was a little against the grain in Carradine. As an FSU fan, I love Carradine. But if he goes in the first, it won't be until around pick 27 or later. He could be as good as you are saying, but the injury matters, and he didn't play hardly at all last season. If this draft was hurting for pass rushers, he could be the guy at 19 for us. But that's just too high in this draft. Mayock has Carradine as the fifth best 4-3 DE prospect in this draft, as he has it broken down into 4-3 DE's and 3-4 DE's. Which I think is a bit odd, because some players can do either. Example, he has William Gholston as the fifth best 3-4 DE, but he played 4-3 DE at Mich St, and could probably do either one in the NFL... although he projects to be a better run defender than pass rusher at the next level, IMO, to Mayock's point. But my point is that there is certainly some bleed over in his rankings. Anyhow, he has Carradine behind Bjoern Werner, Ziggy Ansah, Damontre Moore and Sam Montgomery. I saw on the bottom line on NFL Network last night he also has Alex Okafor tied with Carradine, but not shown on his rankings as posted on NFL.com - http://www.nfl.com/d...-2013-nfl-draft

 

 

Not to say that Carradine isn't a great talent, and I think he very well good move up draft boards. But I just don't see him at 19 as very likely.

 

I actually wasn't going for a bold prediction at all at 19. I've seen at least 4 different mock drafts with the Giants going Tank at this point, and I've felt like he'd be the pick at 19 for almost a month now. It's just too perfect of a fit. I think he is a 1st round pick undoubtedly, as long as his full workout on April 20th goes as well as planned. I'm going to attach some quotes to some passages I've read about Tank today. His 32 reps at the pro day has really gotten scouts to start talking about him, and many think he could be the best 4-3 DE in this class if healthy. I'd take him over any DE in this class. Yes, that means Ziggy and Werner too. I don't really care what Mayock thinks because nobody can get a full evaluation of him as a prospect until that workout a month from now. I bet if he runs a sub-4.85 and looks good in position drills, everyone is going to move him into their top three at the position. 4-3 DEs and 3-4 DEs have completely different values in this league, so comparing him to Gholston has no substance. I'll guarantee you that Tank goes before Montgomery. 0% chance that happens. 19 is a spot where I am not completely sure Tank will still be around. This kid is a top 10 pick if healthy, and he is still a very raw football player. As much potential as Ziggy, IMO.

 

Anyways, here are the thoughts on Tank that I spoke of earlier:

 

Florida State DE Cornellius "Tank" Carradine will work out for NFL evaluators on April 20.

Carradine plans on working out in full' date=' meaning he will complete every drill. If the pass rusher's knee shows no instability, the workout could really change teams' draft boards five days before the event. We would go as far to call Carradine one of the top three edge rushers in this class. Mar 19 - 1:40 PM[/quote']

- Rotoworld

 

FSU DE Cornellius "Tank" Carradine completed 32 bench press reps at the school's pro day.

This is four better than Carradine posted at the Combine. Expect the stud pass rusher to workout just before the NFL Draft in late April' date=' and if cleared medically, expect a top-20 selection. Mar 19 - 11:45 AM[/quote']

- Rotoworld

 

National Football Post's Russ Lande mocked FSU DL Cornellius "Tank" Carradine to the Tennessee Titans in mock draft 8.0.

"While Carradine is still recovering from surgery to repair an ACL injury to his right knee; the Titans are willing to gamble on him because of his potential. If he had not been injured' date=' I believe he would have received serious consideration by the Jaguars with the second overall pick," Lande writes. This is a bit of a surprise as Carradine has yet to work out after suffering an ACL injury late in his senior season. Mar 18 - 5:51 PM[/quote']

- Rotoworld

 

Doesn't answer knee questions' date=' but helps. Top 15 talent when healthy RT[b'] [/b]@TomahawkNation Tank Carradine just benched 225 32 times

- @SC_DougFarrar

 

Tank Carradine solidifying his early grade. The #1 4-3 DE' date=' IMO. If he falls out of the 1st it has everything to do w/the health of his knee.[/quote']

- @ryanlownes

 

This guy is getting plenty of hype right now. If he impresses at that April 20th workout, he may not make it to 19...

[Allstarjim]

Most experts don't have Carradine as a first rounder yet, even if the handful you cherry picked do. And even with a great workout, he's likely going in the bottom of the first, and if he doesn't work out stellar, anywhere from the middle of the second the early 3rd, depending on the medical, assuming it will be at least projected to be stable by regular season.

 

Don't get me wrong, I fully expect Carradine to be an impact player in the NFL. A very good player. But he tore his ACL. Regardless of how great the medical looks, he still tore it, and has a surgery in that knee. That's increased risk, because if he tears the same one again, it's a much harder road to come back, and that's an IF he can come back. You can't change that fact, no matter how good of a player he is. And it's the increased risk that will have him towards the back end of the first at best, even if he has a great work out on April 20th, and even if he clears medical. I think you're going to eat your words about Montgomery being picked before him.

 

BTW, I wasn't comparing Gholston to Carradine. I'm not impressed by Gholston. I was using him as an example that Mayock had him ranked as a 3-4 DE only, which he's not. A player like Gholston could play a 4-3 end in the NFL no problem, just like he did in college. So I was using that example to say that if Mayock ranked a guy like Gholston as a 4-3 end, that might also affect where he has Carradine. That's not to say Mayock's word is gospel, and not to say that I give a crap about Gholston.

 

But here's what I do know... outside of Carradine, there are accomplished, productive pass rushers that haven't had an ACL surgery on a knee, that didn't miss their 2012 season, that are first round picks. And that is going to push Carradine down the draft board. I think the Giants are going to draft Warmack if he's there, btw, and if he's not, maybe DJ Fluker, unless Bjoern Werner or Sheldon Richardson unexpectedly slips down draft boards. Desmond Trufant or Xavier Rhodes are other possibilities. I do think that DE is a good possibility, though, and who knows, maybe it will be Carradine, just saying I'd be very surprised only because knee has already been under the knife for major surgery.

[Bigblue25]

Most experts don't have Carradine as a first rounder yet, even if the handful you cherry picked do. And even with a great workout, he's likely going in the bottom of the first, and if he doesn't work out stellar, anywhere from the middle of the second the early 3rd, depending on the medical, assuming it will be at least projected to be stable by regular season.

 

Don't get me wrong, I fully expect Carradine to be an impact player in the NFL. A very good player. But he tore his ACL. Regardless of how great the medical looks, he still tore it, and has a surgery in that knee. That's increased risk, because if he tears the same one again, it's a much harder road to come back, and that's an IF he can come back. You can't change that fact, no matter how good of a player he is. And it's the increased risk that will have him towards the back end of the first at best, even if he has a great work out on April 20th, and even if he clears medical. I think you're going to eat your words about Montgomery being picked before him.

 

BTW, I wasn't comparing Gholston to Carradine. I'm not impressed by Gholston. I was using him as an example that Mayock had him ranked as a 3-4 DE only, which he's not. A player like Gholston could play a 4-3 end in the NFL no problem, just like he did in college. So I was using that example to say that if Mayock ranked a guy like Gholston as a 4-3 end, that might also affect where he has Carradine. That's not to say Mayock's word is gospel, and not to say that I give a crap about Gholston.

 

But here's what I do know... outside of Carradine, there are accomplished, productive pass rushers that haven't had an ACL surgery on a knee, that didn't miss their 2012 season, that are first round picks. And that is going to push Carradine down the draft board. I think the Giants are going to draft Warmack if he's there, btw, and if he's not, maybe DJ Fluker, unless Bjoern Werner or Sheldon Richardson unexpectedly slips down draft boards. Desmond Trufant or Xavier Rhodes are other possibilities. I do think that DE is a good possibility, though, and who knows, maybe it will be Carradine, just saying I'd be very surprised only because knee has already been under the knife for major surgery.

 

 

You`ve come around on the guards? Lol Cooper is still my pick if he is there if not Fluker, I do not see Warmack there. Oh I have us taking Montgomery in round two.

[Allstarjim]

I've come around on Warmack... I think he's a special, rare talent. I don't think he's there, either, but there is a chance he will be. I think Warmack is Walter Jones, just too good of a player to not pick. Cooper is very, very good, but to me he's not a guy I would pick before pick 30 overall or so. Too many good premium position players at DE, CB, and OT in this draft at the top, and a couple of DT's I would consider over him as well.

[osi724dasack]

I'm High as fuck on Jon Cooper.

 

Warmack also.

 

Kenny Vacuro is a possibility though now with KP gone.

[osi724dasack]

I'd love if Geno Smith was at 19 and we could trade down to the high 20s and pick up 2 2nds or something.

[Allstarjim]

Safety later, but I do think the Giants will draft a safety in this draft. Good night, fellas.

[Allstarjim]

I'd love if Geno Smith was at 19 and we could trade down to the high 20s and pick up 2 2nds or something.

 

Real quick, I read, I think it was on WalterFootball, that the entire Eagles' contingent went to Smith's pro day. Even Jeffrey Lurie went to see him, and the website said Lurie has only traveled like that to see one other player... Donovan McNabb. So take it for what it's worth, apparently the Eagles are very high on him, and it makes a lot of sense with Chip Kelly and the new regime coming in.

[Bigblue25]

 

 

Real quick, I read, I think it was on WalterFootball, that the entire Eagles' contingent went to Smith's pro day. Even Jeffrey Lurie went to see him, and the website said Lurie has only traveled like that to see one other player... Donovan McNabb. So take it for what it's worth, apparently the Eagles are very high on him, and it makes a lot of sense with Chip Kelly and the new regime coming in.

 

I think he goes to Jax at 2. Manuel to the Eagles in round two or trade into late 1st

[Bigblue25]

I've come around on Warmack... I think he's a special, rare talent. I don't think he's there, either, but there is a chance he will be. I think Warmack is Walter Jones, just too good of a player to not pick. Cooper is very, very good, but to me he's not a guy I would pick before pick 30 overall or so. Too many good premium position players at DE, CB, and OT in this draft at the top, and a couple of DT's I would consider over him as well.

 

Some have Cooper rated higher then Warmack, based on ceiling, no way is he the 30th best prospect. We currently don't have a LG, Cooper starts day one.