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Wants to and Has to are two different things. Peyton hurts himself financially if he requires Wayne to come along. I think Manning is open to it, but I don't know that he'd make it a condition of his signing.

Not saying it'll happen. That said, I try not to hold grudges. If he makes a humble return, especially contract-wise, than I think he's paid his dues for the mistake he made. Not to mention, if he can return to his former self, he'd be a nice 3rd WR. I remember the year he made all the 3rd down catches for 1st downs all too well. Guys like Tiki, who burned his bridges, and even from the other shore continued to torch any relationship he had...that, I'll hold a grudge against. But if Tiki would admit to being an idiot and admit to making a poor choice by leaving when he did...than I'd be forgiving of him too. This, I don't see happening.

Agreed. And if Eli hadn't worked out, we would've screwed ourselves pretty badly. Up until this past season, I still didn't think that Eli was THAT much better than Roethlisberger or Rivers would have been on our team. But as we stand today, Eli was worth the trade.

No doubt the Redskins are putting all their eggs in one basket here. If the RG3 is a bust or if they can't surround him with some WRs and OLine...and at the same time get some youth on defense, it'll set them back another decade.

Yeah, the Manning/Fitz show would be fun to watch. I still think that for Arizona, Miami, or SF....that bringing in Manning/Wayne/Mike Wallace...would make any of those 3 clear favorites to run deep in the playoffs. A team like Miami or Arizona could leave Wayne off that list given Marshall and Fitz.

Kinda funny that a lot of the FA projections I've seen recently are former Giants players coming back. I've seen Shiancoe and Shockey mentioned as FA TEs to fill the Ballard/other guy injuries. I've seen Ryan Grant thrown out there as a Jacobs replacement. I've seen Steve Smith and Plaxico Burress thrown out there as a Manningham replacement. I don't see Shockey or Burress coming back. Though transgressions may be forgiven, I don't know that the burned bridges are totally rebuilt for these guys. Ryan Grant seems to want starter money, but he's clearly not in the top group of running backs in FA and he MIGHT want to head to a team that focuses on running the ball a little more than what GB does. Steve Smith seems to be the one that I'd be most interested in as a Giants fan. He'd clearly need to accept that he'd be fighting for the the 3rd WR role with Barden, Hixon, and Jernigan. He'd also need to accept to be paid as such. I actually feel bad for the guy. He made some poor decisions coming back from injury far too quickly and leaving what was a good situation with the Giants. I think that he's paid for those poor decisions by not having the 2nd SB ring he could have had. Might be reason enough for him to return. Then again, humility doesn't run all that rampant in the NFL and he may find an opportunity elsewhere.

I liked Jacobs a lot. Restructured more than once for the good of the team...was a huge motivator and vocal leader. Seemed like an all around good guy. I wish him the best...right up until we play him...and I hope he breaks both legs in a horrific accident....only to be healed miraculously the following week.

Wouldn't put it past them given Osi being a FA next year and wanting big $$.

I wouldn't call McKenzie done, but he's definitely done at what he was getting paid. He could hold the fort for someone (not us) for a year or two at a much lower cap hit than what he had last year, but that's about it in my opinion.

Hixon still showing as UFA though he resigned....yet Eli's numbers are updated.

I'll take your word for it.

Not with us anymore....not dead...just not with the Giants. Forget where he signed exactly, but I want to say Carolina.

About that time, we extend him to the end of his playing days, give him more guaranteed money, and we all can ride off into the cap friendly sunset...hopefully with a few more rings.

If he can't find a starting role elsewhere, I would certainly welcome him back in a backup role at backup money.

Well SF had to be prepared in case Peyton was traded or in case Peyton signs elsewhere. So yeah, they had to offer Alex Smith a deal. Smith might be playing his hand by NOT signing, figuring that if SF goes after Manning, does NOT get him, Smith then can turn the screws to SF to pay him far more. It could ultimately backfire and they DO get Manning, but then Smith could test FA and would undoubtedly get picked up SOMEWHERE.

Eh, with Snee, Petrus, Boothe, Diehl, and I'm sure Baas all able to play Guard if called upon, I think we're good. Baas/Boothe at Center. Diehl, Beatty at Tackle is significantly more sketchy. So if there's revamping/improvement/strengthening to be done, I'd have to believe it'd be on the outside of the line as opposed to the inside.

Gotta believe Carl Nicks is going to get paid big time this offseason by somebody. Given what we have to deal with in upcoming years with Nicks, Cruz, JPP, Tuck, Osi....I have to believe that Carl Nicks isn't even on our radar.

Just confirmation of the inevitable. KMac was a good player for us for some time and I'm glad we had him. His play did slip in the last year or so, which I think is as much the issue as his cap number.

I'd be fine with Fleener at 32. I know we draft BPA, but if the BPA available ALSO fills a need...it seems a no brainer. If David Wilson is available though, it would make it a tough decision. I think the two evaluations are pretty accurate.

Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison were both REALLY good in their own right. Sure, Peyton makes everyone around him better, but those two guys I believe could hold their own. You want to talk about Austin Collie, Pierre Garcon, Jacob Tamme, Anthony Gonzales, and so on...I'll agree. But not Harrison and Wayne. If I'm San Francisco, and if I have the cap space...I'm going full bore for Manning, Wayne, and Mike Wallace.

Gotta agree with Jim here...for the most part...in that Miami, KC, and AZ are the top 3 in the mix. I really wouldn't eliminate SF so easily though. Granted, coach said Smith was the guy, but Smith is a free agent if I'm not mistaken and certainly, P.Manning is an upgrade. Throw a talented WR on that team in the likeness of Mike Wallace or even Mario Manningham to play with the pieces they already have....added to a talented offensive line? Don't know...but if the cap allows, SF makes sense to me. Manning heading to the Jets or the NFC East...I believe are last resorts if for no other reason, not to overshadow Eli, which would happen, despite Eli just coming off his second SB victory.

Wayne is a FA isn't he? I don't think the money was the only issue here, not by a long shot. I read an article today that raised the question, 'What if the Colts were picking #3 overall?' or 'What if Manning was signed already for a long term deal?' Either case may have led to different decisions being made by the Colts' higher-ups.

No question the penalties would be less for Skins and Bills, but to overlook documented offenses there and to recognize documented cases in New Orleans would open themselves up to bias/favortism. If the NCAA can hammer USC after the players and coaches who were responsible for the infractions leave, then the NFL can certainly penalize a team well after the fact. A lot depends upon the investigation itself. Was it centered around the Saints or was it centered around Williams? It's difficult to tell with the media interviewing ALL previous players under Williams. Was the original investigation with the Saints and has it now been expanded? Is the meeting today with Williams and the NFL to determine how far the NFL really needs to take the investigation? My thoughts are that if there is documented cases of it in New Orleans, and New Orleans gets reprimanded...then the same should follow for any other team where there are documented cases.

I think the difference a lot of players are stating is that the bounties aren't affecting their play on the field. In other words, if they have a chance to hit a guy, they're going to hit a guy. They're going to hit him just as hard whether there's a bounty or not. But, those players who are talking now cannot speak for every player. The fact of the matter is that the coaches and players create an environment whereas some players could take it upon themselves to go for the bounty every week. A player could become that guy who tries to injure an opponent. With bounties, the NFL would have to rule individual players' intent on any play where the opponent is injured. As we all know, intent is difficult to judge. Which, is part of the reason bounties are not acceptable and against the rules AND furthermore, why the Redskins, Bills, and Saints should all be reprimanded harshly.

I'm watching what affect this has on the other teams with which Williams has been employed. If the Saints lose a #1, than I have to believe that the Redskins and Bills should face some of the same music. I believe that that will be today's meeting with Williams. How much was this prevalent in previous teams' actions/meetings. That way, Goodell can hand down punishments to all teams at the same time.