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I agree in that Carr's chances to start are pretty much dried up. But then I look at some of these teams who could definitely use a starting QB...and you just never know. Granted, I think the Colts are going to, and should, draft Andrew Luck...and turn over the keys to him. But don't you think the Colts would've loved to have Carr in place of Painter this season? Or Cleveland wanting Carr over McCoy? Or Arizona wanting Carr over the bum they signed from Philly? I don't know. I'm pretty much resigned to calling Carr a backup, but I look at a lot of teams who are starting less than that on any given Sunday.

I like McCants...hadn't read anything on him prior to seeing your post...Nate Potter on the other hand, I've read good things and some pretty bad things, which would give me pause, even in the 5th round.

I think the concern is that Bradshaw needs to share the load due to nagging injuries. And Jacobs, while good in relief, I believe will be 30 this offseason. And Ware, nor Scott have shown they can do much of anything in a starting role. So while it's certainly not a pressing need, it is something that I think should be addressed in the draft, but not necessarily in the first round.

Pup list doesn't include preseason games or is it regular season only? I was suggesting the 2 TEs as a last case scenario due to it being quite a risky decision. I like the draft one/sign one approach myself.

He was in SF just last year competing for a starting job with Alex Smith, no? I think most NFL players have that desire to start, to show what they have. There's a drive, a motivation that consumes a lot of them...or else I don't think they'd even get to that backup level. So I don't know that he's past wanting it. I think the league MAY be past giving him that opportunity. I look at some teams like Arizona or Seattle or Washington or...on which David Carr MIGHT stand a chance to start. I reiterate..MIGHT be able to start. Whereas with us, so long as Eli's healthy, Carr has NO shot at starting. None. So yeah, nobody's building a team around David Carr, but do I think that there's a chance he could walk, yeah, I do. What may or may not drive this, and I don't know the figures....but since we're close to the cap and all. What's the difference between vet minimum and the salary/contract given to say, a 6th or 7th round draft pick in the rookie wage scale? If the rookie draft pick makes less than vet minimum, than I think it COULD pave the way for Carr's departure.

Perriloux...that's a hilarious story...you can't find anything on him without them mentioning that he's been signed/re-signed over a dozen times in a single season by the same team. I don't remember seeing much from him. Not saying he didn't do anything, but I just don't even remember seeing him in preseason. If he is what you say, which I don't necessarily doubt, than that's more comforting than what I originally thought. Still, a 3rd QB at some point is something to keep an eye on. Again, nothing more than a vet-minimum FA or nothing earlier than a 6th rd pick.

I was going off the assumption that Ballard was restricted. If so, he has done enough for them to put a 3rd round tender on him. So, if another team does sign him, we'd get their 3rd. If not, he'd be back with us for at least another season. Then, when healthy, he could get extended/re-signed. I think too, that the first few weeks, we could potentially survive with a 2 TE rotation.

I don't know much about this Koger kid....you have anything handy on him? I could argue that with Carr being a FA, that QB could be a need come draft day. Not to mention, I don't want the Giants to become Indianapolis should something happen to Eli. I was actually thinking of Kellen Moore out of Boise St. as a VERY late round, if not undrafted FA signing. I agree on the character guys. I have seen a few mocks that have us taking Burfict at 32. Even if he'd still be there, which I don't think he will be, but still, if there, I think that the attitude and baggage would limit his appeal to the Giants moreso than it might other teams.

From what I'm seeing, he's a mid to late 3rd round guy. So yeah, he should be there for our #2 and maybe even for our 3rd...but no way by our 4th.

I like our taking a WR in the draft, but I don't like it for our #1. I believe that a first round pick should be expected to start and contribute almost immediately, especially at WR. Given Nicks and Cruz, I think we could do better picking that WR in a later round. If you can take BPA and fill a need in the first, I think that's the direction we need to go. I am looking for that to be TE with Allen or Fleener.

Yeah, maybe I thought some folks would grow the fuck up, not devote 3 additional pages, of a (apologies SW creators, mods, etc) sparsely frequented message board, to petty banter about how stupid one thought the other was and actually return the thread to the topic at hand. So yeah, I read through it all. That said, I agree that Marcellus Bennett is not the answer. I like Fleener or Allen in the first round of the draft coupled with a FA that can hold the fort for the first 4-6 weeks of the season, to ensure that Ballard has a chance to fully recover. Then, we can go on in the season with Pascoe, Ballard, draft pick. I think Beckum was on his way out regardless and that whatever FA we sign to hold the fort, will be cut once Ballard returns to the lineup.

I was looking at Doug Martin at Boise St. for our 2nd rounder, but thought that Pierce in the 3rd would be better value.

I think that's why Allen or Fleener are becoming more the consensus for our first rounder...because they'd be the BPA and fill a need.

and have come to realize that nobody has any idea what the Giants are going to do. First round projections for the Giants have ranged from TE to LB to OT to even DE. Second round I've seen go from CB to DT to RB to OT...and so it goes for all rounds. It's like these guys are just guessing. I will say that there seems to be some consensus on TE (Allen or Fleener) for the 1st. That said, I'm looking hoping for the following. Bolded are my first choices for the pick. Basically, I'm looking for line depth, the glaring hole at TE, and some secondary depth given Ross will probably be let go and T2 is a FA. 1st - Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State or Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson 2nd - Chase Minnifield, CB, Virginia or Bobbie Massie, OT, Mississippi 3rd - Bernard Pierce, RB, Temple or Brandon Brooks, OG, Miami of Ohio 4th - James Michael Johnson, LB, Nevada or Jarius Wright, WR, Arkansas 5th - DeAngelo Peterson, TE, LSU or Donnie Fletcher, CB, Boston College 6th - D'Anton Lynn, CB, Penn State or Nicholas Jean Baptiste, DT, Baylor 7th - Danny Coale, WR, Virginia Tech or Kelcie McCray, SS, Arkansas State I would appreciate comments, understanding that this is after looking at round projections/size/speed stuff. I've not looked at game tapes or any of that yet, so this is an early hopeful list and subject to change.

Wow...and here I thought I'd find some info on TEs and all there is here is a big ol' pile of twisted panties.

Saw this a few days ago... I see his mentioning this as two-fold. While he's willing to work with the Giants, he's laying down a line that shouldn't be crossed or he'll ask for a trade/release. This, to ensure that the Giants don't try to low-ball him. At the same time, it immediately generates discussions with a trade partner/new team. All the while, he wouldn't have to uproot his kids/wife and move them across the country. It's a smart move if you look at it from his perspective. Again, you communicate you're willing to work with your team, but you prepare outs should your ideal situation not come to fruitition.

Color me the dead opposite...I can punt, but can't kick off or kick a FG to save my life.

Just read an article that Chad Jones' doctors cleared him to run/practice. He'll still have to pass the Giant's physical, but he'd be a nice addition to our secondary if he can come back to where he was.

Like I said, I think folks are simply exploring possibilities and repercussions of the what-if scenarios. Not saying we should or shouldn't do anything specifically. So there's no need to get defensive and argue that we should keep this guy or that guy.

Really, I thought Jones was further back than that. Regardless, there would have been greater flexibility in dealing with Rolle's contract had Chad Jones been available.

I'm not so sure that anyone was asking for their head or shipping them off just yet. Rather, I think folks were simply looking at our cap situation, gravitating towards those making the most, and seeing what options were available, to include what impact cutting them would have cap-wise. Yes they're strong players, but in the case of Canty, we've drafted DT recently and may have a replacement already lined up. If it weren't for the Chad Jones accident, we might not have entered into the large contract with Rolle. Again, both have been valuable for us and again, I don't see anyone stating that they didn't contribute heavily to the SB run, but at the same time, if you're always looking to improve, all options should be considered.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/53790/nfc-east-cap-review-redskins-in-the-money NFC East cap space...we're over, by a bunch. Not sure if this includes guys like McKenzie or not since he's technically still on the roster. I am not sure when your unsigned guys technically become FAs and their contract officially comes off the books. Maybe it already is...I don't know.

I will see your JLoad and raise you one Dave Brown.

Everyone's saying we're close to the cap...is there a site for this? Has the removal of the un-signed players' salaries been reflected on that yet?

I really wouldn't be surprised given Tolly is a FA this year and Osi will be next year.