fishgutmartyr

Glad your granddaughter figured them out--wish Reuben Randle could have done the same...

Well, to be fair, I can't blame him for speaking out. Mara and Reese have done a pretty thorough job running his name through the mud. And it's not like Jernigan hasn't gotten playing time before the last couple of games. Gilbride may/may not have been part of the problem, but everything else he said has been discussed all off season. There is truth to it.

Love the '70s LED watch numbers.

He's an UFA. Doubt he gets re-signed.

Even assuming we sign Beason, we're down linebackers with Rivers going.

If we flat-out cut him, we save close to 7 million. He's 4.5 in dead money. http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Giants&Year=2014 If it were the other way around, I wouldn't have started this thread. 8-9 million tied up on a back up player with severe limitations is way too much. The team would have to at least get a degree of starter potential out of that. You'd almost be forced to get another Boothe-type player. As it is, keeping Snee would have it's risks if we get hit with injuries again, especially early-on. Oh, and not a bad thought, Herc. All that knowledge, and none of the additional cap hit.

Rolle takes a lot of crap, considering he's spent as much time out of position as he has in position while on this team. This year he finally got to play where he was hired to play, and was arguably a pro-bowler. Not sure where the depth is, though. Will Hill is really good, but kind of an idiot that might just flush away his career. Cooper Taylor might be good, but hasn't shown that much yet, Ryan Mundy isn't in Rolle's league, and Stevie Brown is coming back from a knee injury--assuming he's re-signed. I'd definitely extend Rolle.

A large part of me realizes the guy is pretty much done. His days as a 16 game starter are over. And I have to admit, part of my indecision on this would be sentimentality--the guy sacrificed his health for this team, and is willing to give up even more for it. I'm glad it's not my call. Snee has already stated that he is willing to take a pay cut, and mentor someone who beats him out for the starting guard position. He's a wraith of himself at this point, but he was a top offensive lineman in this league for years; and he would be passing on a lot of experience to whoever we draft. If we go FA with youth, it wouldn't hurt that player to get some of his input, either. So, how much is it worth to have a guy on your roster that might give you a couple of games, but would be invaluable as far as passing along experience to one, possibly two draft picks coming in? We need new players for sure, but we also need to maintain some of the 2008 offensive line culture, and he's the last member. It would help the transition in that sense. If we get 3-4 games out of him, that might be enough to get a rookie into playing shape, if necessary. We're in the hole with him for about 4mil whether we keep him or not. I'm not going to count that money--because it's spent no matter what. If he signs on for one year at 1 or 2 million, is it worth it? We'd still be saving at least 5 million; and that might be the price for a hoary old backup anyway. I'm really not sure about this one--wondering what you guys think. I honestly thought that Snee would just retire. No matter what your opinion, please maintain a level of respect for a player who has given us years of high-quality play and has shown a dedication to this team. Hate on the body, not the man. He has already stated that he either plays for the Giants, or his career is over. Thanks.

The important word in that sentence is "incorrectly." How many games, Giants or otherwise, have we seen blown calls even after review? With the state of officiating in the league over the last few seasons, a coach has to do a degree of complaining. He just doesn't have to act like a preschooler that isn't going to Dairy Queen.

Ok--I follow you. Knowing now that the cap might go up this year, it doesn't make as much sense to extend him as it did for me. We get some of that money off the cap going forward AND his cap percentage goes down. That's a win-win for us. Joseph is one of those guys that you can put in position and not worry about. He's not a game-changer, and he needs help on the line. Keep him if possible? Absolutely, but not pay him top five.

I kind of agree--although I'm not ready to give up on Manning. I'd love to say Joseph and Beason--but they aren't signed. And Beason, while still really good, isn't exactly an infusion of youth. I think of him more as a Sam Madison type--experience to surround with youth so that they learn. I know he's 29, but with the injuries, he's an old 29; wouldn't make a 5-year plan with him. Hankins would be nice, but he hasn't shown too much yet. Will Hill has a ton of growing up to do, if he ever does. We're in an odd place--we're either too old, or very young in most positions. It's really hard to tell who is going to be a "building block."

Fair enough. But if I had to fill out an article with "In honor of Presidents’ Day, the current Giant most likely to run for office someday is Justin Tuck," I would probably not write it.

http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Fact-or-Fiction-Offensive-Line-Changes/7412cacd-c393-463e-9060-396e12dc6279 Golly, they're going to look for offensive linemen? How can these guys be so certain?

If you can compare that to a new system jump to low mediocrity followed by 2 years of steep decline, sure.

Like I said, Seph, I understand that. But on the other hand, who was running things when we sunk down to 31st? I'm looking at the cumulative results of his time here, not season by season. We improved to 17th in 2010, 25th in 2011. To put it kindly, his time here has been...erratic.

Well, the qbs we played put us in the top ten in defense. That wouldn't have happened in a normal season--but there was improvement. I agree that he should have lost his job, though. Not for this season, but for the previous seasons. Seems incredibly short-sighted to keep him on. Especially when we are going to see turnover on this D very shortly--Osi gone, Tuck with one foot out the door...unless JPP recovers, we don't really have a pass rushing line anymore.

Considering Webster's play in 2012, he did us a favor.

To be fair, Belichick didn't exactly coach without talent--we're a far, far cry from the 1990 defense. It's a bit easier when you have arguably the best defender in history on the field, and excellent players in front and beside him. And that Patriots team didn't exactly lack quality on the defense, either. I'm not defending Fewell--I think we should be getting more out of the players we have--but comparing our bunch with squads that had players like Taylor et al., Bruschi, and Law isn't really fair, either. I'm not sure how complex Spag's defense was, either. Other than pulling DE's into coverage on certain blitzes (which was retarded anyway), I don't see how it was that complex.

My thinking was versatility. Beatty is a tackle this year, as is Pugh. But if we can get Martin playing guard while learning OT, that's in our favor: regular season experience without the pressure of playing tackle. Naturally, if he outplays Pugh, then reverse the two. Then let it sort out the following season. That way, we don't have to panic if we draft a couple of guards and one of them doesn't pan out. That would be the paper theory, anyway. And pretty typical of what the team has tried to do over the past 10 years. Granted, with some mixed results. The one wildcard is if both outplay Beatty. Kind of a good problem to have, until we look at contracts.

I don't pretend to know much about college football, but based on this writeup and what I know of what the Giants look for on the oline, I wouldn't be shocked if we drafted Zack Martin.

It may have been that Fewell's system is heavily dependent on a good, dependable MLB. Or at the very least, a reliable field general there. You have to wonder if the return of Blackburn in 2011, and the acquisition of Beason this past year coinciding with defensive turnarounds is more than sheer chance. If that's the case, then either the front office better get its shit together, or Fewell needs to adjust. Neither one is happening far too often.

Nas, I understand when it was written--the timing of writing it on 2/5 is odd to me.

I bet the center begs the coaches to reconsider when they call a QB sneak. If "sneak" is a word you can use to describe that play with Lorenzen. "Lumber" or "Felling" might make more sense.

I was being serious--this is an odd article for this past season. As far as I'm concerned, Fewell should be gone: but even I have to admit that the defense was the only redeeming factor on this team last season. (I am so happy that I can say last season.) Where was this article in 2012? Or 2010? Or during the regular season in 2011?

This past season?