fishgutmartyr

This is just bullshit to make a flawed point. It's the same one that's been used dozens of times already. It's stupid, and has no relevance to Reese's drafting ability (or lack of it). No matter what you think of his other picks, it's ridiculous to fault the guy for picking a player who subsequently has a career-ending car crash, or players who look good right up until knee injuries cripple them. It just taints the whole argument. Manningham "Somewhat of disappointment"? In what world is a 3rd rounder who produced for us a disappointment? He wasn't an X WR, but he did make plays for us; even if he was frustrating at times. "Fucking Amateurs." --Walter Solbchak

I'd love to hear who that great replacement for Beatty was in 2013, either in FA or the draft. http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/3/25/4146792/nfl-free-agent-tracker-2013-sebastian-vollmer-elvis-dumervil Note which OTs were signed at that point, and how much--Beatty's contract was not out of line, especially for a starting OT, who at that point, wasn't playing nearly as poorly as he has since. Here's what was left in Sept. that year: Jared Gaither Barry Richardson Wayne Hunter Jammal Brown Sean Locklear Demetress Bell D’Anthony Batiste Jason Smith Jordan Black Pat McQuistan Frank Omiyale Jeff Otah Tony Hills Brandon Keith Brandyn Dombrowski Yum. Quite the selection. There wasn't that much available at LT that year--and the ones that were didn't get signed significantly lower than Beatty, who was right in there with the typical signing. This stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum. We don't spend a fortune on Baas if Seubert AND Koets don't suffer career-ending knee injuries the same season. We're not scrambling for linemen if any one of Brewer, Petrus, Mosely, McCants show something or (in the case of McCants) develop quicker. Baas had us bent over, and his agent knew it. And before crucifying Reese about the current state of the WRs, you guys might want to take a walk down memory lane and check out some of the WR groups we had before Reese got the job--it wasn't all that long ago we were pinning our hopes on Tim Carter or Sinorice Moss...I'd take Manningham NOW over those two at their "peak", and he didn't even make the team this year. If you want to fault Reese for anything, it would have to be for managing to find players with long development times and short careers. Maybe he should switch from Tarot cards to runes, or something. This fanbase has the patience of a mayfly.

I didn't get to see the game last night, I was working. Maybe if I did, I'd be reacting the same way you guys are. But, I'll say this, before you guys begin a group hemorrhage: do you remember the first 3 games of 2007? When St. Spagnolo started, we weren't just beaten on defense, we were absolutely slaughtered. I'm not saying this season will end the same way, nor am I saying that this offense will definitely be all right; but I will say it is way too early to pass judgement on what was done this offseason. And this is coming from one of the few guys on this site that wasn't all that keen on getting a new offense--we have it, so let's give it a chance. I wanted Martin in the first round, didn't happen. But I'm not about to call Beckham a bust, because I have no idea what he'll eventually bring to the team. From the sound of it, we can really use a WR, so maybe it will ultimately make sense. Beatty probably has confidence issues and rust right now. None of these linemen have played with each other for any appreciable time, and all of them are trying to master the offense. Frankly, I would have been really surprised if we won last night, and felt that way the minute we went "in a new direction." A lot of you knew this too, but that doesn't make easy to watch.

Tony Romo must be feeling pretty good right now. Ready to play his heart out for the team.

It's kind of comical in Giants-land right now. Most people wanted a new offensive coordinator (which they got), new olinemen (which they got--maybe not all superstars, but all still pretty much on the uptick), and new runningbacks (ditto). Now, at the end of preseason, they're wondering why all these new things aren't running like a well-practiced, veteran team. I mean, we were basically "Team Tiki" for two years after MacKenzie came on board. It's kind of like complaining that a toddler isn't winning any NCAA track meets. Our defense is more balanced this year than it has been for years. Yes, the line isn't as ridiculously strong in pass rush as it was, but the backfield should give them more time. And we have a couple linebackers this year, rather than immobile obstacles. (I started to be a fan during the year Arnsparger was given the coaching job. I actually had trouble wrapping my head around the fact we were in the same league as the Staubach Cowboys or the Madden Raiders--it felt like we were in division II. I had a football signed by Scott Eaton, and my fav player at first was Pete Athas--I laugh at the complaints I hear today.)

He's probably not going to see the field. Whoever is the backup between Jerry/Mosely will be getting snaps first. Unless he's meant to be more of a backup for center, since Richburg is now the starting guard.

It's all going to depend on injuries on the oline. If they can stay together consistently, they'll gel faster, and the offense might start showing something. We had an incredible stretch between 2005-2010 where we had very few games missed by our starters. People forget that, and put much less emphasis on cohesion than they really should. I'm probably going to get slammed for this, but I think Coughlin did a pretty remarkable job last year. Between the clear lack of talent and injuries, the poor play from key players, and the last-gasp condition of the roster; even getting that team to 7-9 was yeoman's work--especially after starting 0-6. Granted, we beat some pretty shitty teams: but we weren't exactly dominant last year, either. It could have very easily folded up and went the way of Fassel's 2003 season. I think this isn't a year of extremes--I'd be very surprised if we were drafting 1st or toting a Lombardi--but then again, I thought we were doomed at the beginning of 2011 after all the injuries started to pile up. And we are in the NFC East, which has some pretty shitty teams right now. The Eagles had a remarkable season last year, but they also had an outlier season as far as the small amount of injuries they had; and I doubt that the INT rate will remain that low. Dallas and Washington are at least as bad as we are. There are plenty of things to worry about: the oline, TEs, who will actually show up at WR. We don't even know how the playcalling on offense will go. But the question marks were there already, and we knew there was some gambling that had to be done this year. It isn't the same litany of questions 2013 had, and I think we're in a better position this year than we were this time last year. We're not relying on the the brittle legs of Andre Brown. We're not trying to milk another season from David Diehl, or getting blind-sided by another surgery for Snee. We don't have to worry about JPP AND Tuck. We have some NFL linebackers. Some of our DTs are old, but we also have youth. Same with DE. At least one side of the ball is stable this year--Beason is not Dan Conner, and we're not relying on other team's washouts to save the day. Our older players are either backups, special teams (long snapper and kickers), or in positions with heavy rotation--it's not that bad. Manning is 33, but Simms played longer than that, and was far, far more beaten up than Manning has been. I wouldn't say a winning season is out of the question, and I'm willing to take a wait-and-see approach to this offense, and give it some time. If we're .500 at midseason, we've got a shot. Either way, I think we'll be in better shape at the beginning of 2015 than we were the beginning of this year.

ahh...the voice of reason.

Tough break for both of them. Cooper looked good in the games I saw.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/08/24/top-preseason-grades-4-3-outside-linebackers/ All right...I'm trying to keep calm...he could be playing 3rd string for all I know... You know what? FUCK THAT! We didn't get anything close to this when he was here! How much more evidence is necessary that our LB coach sucks more than a porn star on prom night?

Grimble must have been the easiest cut Coughlin ever had to make. Did he even get a single practice in?

Washington has another game winner!

Robinson making 2 consecutive catches!? Is that in his contract?

Just started watching after halftime. Miserable. Even worse trying to watch it online.

I was thinking more of the linebackers coach--it's kind of damning that Williams/Paysinger are picking up their games only after Beason shows up. And he's got a hell of a lot more to work with this year than Jr. does.

Sure it is. But if your personnel did nothing with a coach that's supposed to be one of the best at what he does, it's not reasonable to pass judgement on the next coach dealing with an even weaker group after a couple of months. In an entirely new offense, mind you. There are coaches on this team that have sucked for years and no one bitches--wonder why this coach is catching grief...

Dammit, man! I almost have--and now I have to start over...

Yep. Take the same squad that caused the firing of the previous coach (well, Beckum, Pope's chosen one, didn't help), remove the two guys that played the most. Replace them with a FA that causes a resounding "who?" throughout the crowd, and a UDFA that hasn't been on the field for weeks. Stir. Blame the coach.

Go back further--old man Young and Accorsi pretty much sucked at 3rd round, too. Dan Campbell was the highlight of players who decided to stay with us before Tuck, going back to 1990 or so. There was Shiancoe and McCaffrey, too; but that didn't do the Giants much good. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/draft.htm Like I said, at least Alford might have given us something had he not gotten the knee injury (aside from the 1 critical sack in the 1st SB this run); we'll never know what Chad Jones had to offer, but at least there was some potential there. Sadly, if Moore or Bromley give us some production, we're ahead of the curve for this team.

Damontre Moore might show something this year; same with Jernigan (but I have my doubts). That's 2013 and 2011. 2010 was Chad Jones 2009, the third pick was Beatty; the third round pick was Barden--say Barden. 2008 was Manningham 2007 was Alford. Manningham was productive. Alford was just starting to look that way and wound up injured and out of the league. Every time Barden showed a hint of something--IR. Chad Jones. It hasn't been that we've picked badly so much as they might as well have given the third round pick a check for a few hundred thousand and had one of his knee ligaments surgically removed for all the good it's done us. Less painful for the player, too. The 2008 draft is mind-boggling.

See above. What we have at RB is meaningless if we can't run block. What we have at oline I'm ok with taking a wait and see approach, but TE? Ugh.

I really didn't think he would continue. You just don't fuck with the spinal cord. This might sound terrible, and I don't mean it in a bad way, but if he had to find that out the hard way, I'm glad it was just this. And at least this didn't happen later in the preseason. Another in a long list of failed 1st round running backs for this team. Not his fault, but the net effect is the same.

Nassib looked good tonight. Not QB controversy good, but "able breathe a sigh of relief that we're going into the season with Painter as #2 again" good. Is it me, or does Curtis Painter even look bad while handing off? Between the blown blocking of the oline and Painter's telegraphing, I actually felt sorry for Cox at the end of the game.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/07/four_days_with_ryan_nassib_a_breakdown_of_the_giants_backup.html Interesting article by Connor Orr that puts a little context on what's going on. Let the bashing begin.

Collins looks a lot better following Brown, Kanell, and Graham than he would if he had directly followed Simms. He wasn't a terrible QB, but it makes me laugh when I hear about how Eli has to have players around him when I remember this guy: 1) If he had to leave the pocket and he threw the ball, it would be an int; 2) If he was touched in any way in the pocket, the ball was hitting the ground. When his line was blocking, and receivers were getting open, Collins was very good. Otherwise, you could smell the failure; he couldn't make things happen. You could win with him: but you would never win because of him. That puts him below Simms and Manning. He wasn't the worst QB to ever play on the Giants by a long shot--I can think of worse QBs that started for this team than Dave Brown, let alone Collins--but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't praying for a QB in 2004. He probably owned that stat before Scott Brunner started...Those olines were fucking awful. Now that I think about it, he was actually a pretty good scrambler when he first started--a knee injury took care of that, though.