JackStroud Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 why does A Rodriquez steroid use suprise anyone? Wierd.....it fits right in with his personality, and frankly I don't care what he did in 2003 Why was he singled out btw......lets hear the other 122 dum dums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntlGrounding Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Word has it SoCal and Grounding are getting together to obsess on me and watch the Oscars tonight. You pussied out and ran away 2 days ago and now you come in here to admit to everyone that you are thinking about me? Awwwww....I'm flattered. By the way, I think it's pathetic that you openly admit to acting like a spoiled, sulking, self pitying 2 year old when your team loses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntlGrounding Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Another article discussing the Miracle Healer, Angel Presinal: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball...n-2.html?page=0 And for anyone hoping that Ortiz no longer has anything to do with the banned trainer, you might enjoy the following line in the article: "Presinal was a guest at David Ortiz's celebrity golf tournament dinner Dec. 5 at the Cap Cana resort in Punta Cana, on the Dominican eastern coast." Also found this pretty interesting. It would explain Angel's popularity with steriod users especially when his training program doesn't come cheap: “He puts them through a cycle and then they flush the body out,” the former scout said. “If you're afraid of testing positive, this is the guy to go to.” He said players are afraid to discuss Presinal because they depend on his expertise as a trainer. It is also expensive to work with Presinal, according to the former scout, who says the trainer charges as much as $10,000 for an offseason session." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeef2 Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 You pussied out... That's because you're so tough and intimidating on the internet. Thrust out that cyber-chest, Rocky. For future reference, if I don't respond to one of your running-around-in-circles posts, it's because your incoherent rambling has made it pointless. But if it makes you feel victorious to get the last word, have at it. As I've already shown, it doesn't matter to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeef2 Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 And for anyone hoping that Ortiz no longer has anything to do with the banned trainer, you might enjoy the following line in the article: "Presinal was a guest at David Ortiz's celebrity golf tournament dinner Dec. 5 at the Cap Cana resort in Punta Cana, on the Dominican eastern coast." Next time I attend a charity event, I'll have to remember that I'm culpable for the sins of everybody there. I'm sure the Reagans will be shocked to find out they're mass murderers because they had their picture taken with John Wayne Gacy. I see Mariano was there, too. Undoubtedly to buy steroids from Persinal- I mean, it's obvious, right Grounding? Also found this pretty interesting. It would explain Angel's popularity with steriod users especially when his training program doesn't come cheap: “He puts them through a cycle and then they flush the body out,” the former scout said. “If you're afraid of testing positive, this is the guy to go to.” He said players are afraid to discuss Presinal because they depend on his expertise as a trainer. It is also expensive to work with Presinal, according to the former scout, who says the trainer charges as much as $10,000 for an offseason session." Of course you're looking to prove why A Rod would've had this guy staying with him during the 07 season, and prove it you did. Great job, Grounding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntlGrounding Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 That's because you're so tough and intimidating on the internet. Thrust out that cyber-chest, Rocky. For future reference, if I don't respond to one of your running-around-in-circles posts, it's because your incoherent rambling has made it pointless. But if it makes you feel victorious to get the last word, have at it. As I've already shown, it doesn't matter to me. Is that your new excuse for being a pussy? HAHAHAHA Noone's buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntlGrounding Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Next time I attend a charity event, I'll have to remember that I'm culpable for the sins of everybody there. I'm sure the Reagans will be shocked to find out they're mass murderers because they had their picture taken with John Wayne Gacy. I see Mariano was there, too. Undoubtedly to buy steroids from Persinal- I mean, it's obvious, right Grounding? If this was Mariano's event and he invited Presinal, you would have a point. More of the same from a desperate pussy. Of course you're looking to prove why A Rod would've had this guy staying with him during the 07 season, and prove it you did. Great job, Grounding! You don't get it. I am not a desperate fanboy like you. Say what you want about arod. Arod's a roider who trained with Presinal. Ortiz and Pedro train with him too . Ohh Noes for you!!! This is really bothering you isn't it? Denial is the first stage....then anger...then acceptance. I see you are firmly entrenched in the first stage. Only a matter of time until Presinal gets taken down and Ortiz and Pedro are shamed alongside him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so-cal dub Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I get it- you didn't want a meeting of Keef's Queefs to be going on without popping your head in, huh? Word has it SoCal and Grounding are getting together to obsess on me and watch the Oscars tonight. You in, Joe? I used to like Sigmund and the Sea Monsters and Legos in 4th grade, so there you go. Battlestar Gallactica, though, was for geeks only. Aw...poor widdle guy has no real friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFP Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I get it- you didn't want a meeting of Keef's Queefs to be going on without popping your head in, huh? Word has it SoCal and Grounding are getting together to obsess on me and watch the Oscars tonight. You in, Joe? I used to like Sigmund and the Sea Monsters and Legos in 4th grade, so there you go. Battlestar Gallactica, though, was for geeks only. Sigmund and the Sea Monsters, LEGOs, Battlestar Gallactica - good clean fun for all ages. A middle-aged man who acts like a miserable prick after his baseball team loses - that's pretty immature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeef2 Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 Try to put yourself in my shoes, joe- How would you feel if the red Power Ranger got killed? See? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntlGrounding Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Try to put yourself in my shoes, joe- How would you feel if the red Power Ranger got killed? See? I can't imagine it would be nearly as sad, desperate and pathetic as you are acting now that Ortiz and Pedro are on the verge of being realized for the steriod abusing frauds that they are. Good Times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFP Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Try to put yourself in my shoes, joe- How would you feel if the red Power Ranger got killed? See? Never really got into the Power Rangers when I was a kid. Loved LEGOs though, and now that my 5 year old son is into them, I have to confess that when he's playing with his LEGO town, and asks me to play with him, I join in. I suppose instead of having fun with my kids, I could mope around like a miserable prick whenever my baseball team loses. But like I said, I shook that off in the 4th grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeef2 Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 Never really got into the Power Rangers when I was a kid. Loved LEGOs though, and now that my 5 year old son is into them, I have to confess that when he's playing with his LEGO town, and asks me to play with him, I join in. You need to give yourself a great big pat on the back. You actually get down on the floor and play with your kids? Amazing. I wish I had thought of that when mine were still alive (I murdered them after a Sox loss back in '06). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feefifoefum Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I can't imagine it would be nearly as sad, desperate and pathetic as you are acting now that Ortiz and Pedro are on the verge of being realized for the steriod abusing frauds that they are. Good Times. I might cry myself if Pedro is ever found to have been a roider. Not because he was a Met (he only had one good season here) but the guy was so masterful at what he did. I'd hate for his career to be tainted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntlGrounding Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 You need to give yourself a great big pat on the back. You actually get down on the floor and play with your kids? Amazing. I wish I had thought of that when mine were still alive (I murdered them after a Sox loss back in '06). FAIL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntlGrounding Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I might cry myself if Pedro is ever found to have been a roider. Not because he was a Met (he only had one good season here) but the guy was so masterful at what he did. I'd hate for his career to be tainted. Take small comfort in knowing that the vast majority of hitters that Pedro faced were most likely roiding too. Still would make him a cheater amongst cheaters but that will probably be proven true about the majority of players in this era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeef2 Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 Good article on the topic this week by T.J. Quinn from ESPN The most interesting points: What A-Rod said: "Going back to 2001, my cousin started telling me about a substance that can be purchased over the counter in the D.R. [Dominican Republic]. In the streets, it's known as 'boli.'" What he didn't say: That simple statement, apparently designed to satisfy reporters about how, where and with whom his steroid use began, sparked more questions than anything else A-Rod said. Where did he hear about "boli"? Where did Sucart learn about it? If boli refers to Primobolan (a brand name for methenolone), it can't be purchased over the counter in the Dominican Republic. So how did they get it? The black market? The original Sports Illustrated report said A-Rod had tested positive for methenolone and testosterone. He says he never took any other drugs. But what caused the testosterone positive? And if the SI report is not correct that he tested positive for testosterone and methenolone, what is correct? Has A-Rod seen the test yet? Will he make a copy of the test available? He also never mentioned his relationship with Angel Presinal, the longtime trainer from the Dominican Republic who was banned from major league clubhouses in 2002. What is the extent of that relationship? How did they meet? Did Presinal ever provide him with performance-enhancing drugs or advise him about how to use performance-enhancing drugs? Was he aware that Presinal was considered persona non grata in Major League Baseball? And if he was aware of that, why did he work with him? What the A-Rod camp says now: Sucart, according to the designated A-Rod representative, has had a long history of medical problems and frequently has injected himself with drugs over the years. A-Rod turned to him because he knew how to inject someone. The spokesman also says A-Rod told him that "everyone" from the Dominican works with Presinal, that A-Rod denies having received steroids or other illegal performance-enhancing drugs from anyone besides Sucart, and specifically said that he never received drugs from Presinal. According to the spokesman, A-Rod has not seen the results of his test and does not plan to ask for them. He says it doesn't matter to A-Rod what the test specifically says because the player knows he did something wrong and has admitted it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What A-Rod said: "I knew we weren't taking Tic Tacs." What he didn't say: Why did he refer to Tic Tacs, which are tablets, when he said he only injected? That answer brought out the Oliver Stone in a number of viewers and readers. Why would someone refer to Tic Tacs if he had not used pills as well as undergoing injections? It might have been a revealing slip. It also might have been a poorly chosen metaphor by a speaker under a lot of pressure. (He also said, "I laid in my bed, and I'm going to have to sit on it.") What the A-Rod camp says now: "It's ridiculous," the spokesman said, following up with his own question: Why would A-Rod admit to injecting steroids but not to taking them orally? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What A-Rod said: "I stopped taking it for several reasons. … After our voluntary test, the players voted for a major league drug policy. At that time, it became evident to me how serious this all was. And I decided to stop then." What he didn't say: How that explanation is possible. The timing doesn't fit. Players voted in 2002 to approve two-tiered testing. First was the survey testing in 2003, which A-Rod admittedly failed. When more than 5 percent of those tests proved to be positive, punishable "program" testing automatically began in 2004. The players did not have a chance to vote on the policy again. But even if they had been able to vote, it wouldn't have happened until the results of the 2003 testing were complete -- after the season. MLB and the MLBPA didn't announce the results until November, but A-Rod said he decided to stop using during spring training. What the A-Rod camp says now: A-Rod was referring generally to the idea that once players agreed even to survey testing, he and everyone else in baseball knew where things were headed and that eventually there would be punitive tests. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntlGrounding Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 A little behind the times aren't we Mr Red Sox Troll? Good to see your inferiority complex is still fully intact. I enjoyed the following bolded part of your post in that the same questions could be asked of many players that continue to associate with Mr Presinal and invite him to their public social events: He also never mentioned his relationship with Angel Presinal, the longtime trainer from the Dominican Republic who was banned from major league clubhouses in 2002. What is the extent of that relationship? How did they meet? Did Presinal ever provide him with performance-enhancing drugs or advise him about how to use performance-enhancing drugs? Was he aware that Presinal was considered persona non grata in Major League Baseball? And if he was aware of that, why did he work with him? Mr Ortiz...were you aware that Presinal was considered persona non grata in Major League Baseball? And if you were aware of that, why did you invite him to your celebrity golf event? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeef2 Posted March 2, 2009 Author Share Posted March 2, 2009 Yeah, this article only deals with the guys who we know for a fact have cheated/continue to cheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntlGrounding Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Yeah, this article only deals with the guys who we know for a fact have cheated/continue to cheat. Just a matter of time until Ortiz and Pedro are added to the list. Looking forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeMeSomeFoodHo Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 worst thread ever....why I am not surprised mickeef is involved in it? can a mod please delete this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntlGrounding Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 worst thread ever....why I am not surprised mickeef is involved in it? can a mod please delete this thread I particulary like this thread. It has allowed mickeef, driven by his inferiority complex with regards to the Yankees, to make a complete ass out of himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeef2 Posted March 2, 2009 Author Share Posted March 2, 2009 worst thread ever....why I am not surprised mickeef is involved in it? can a mod please delete this thread Maybe I should start more threads about how awesome I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntlGrounding Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Maybe I should start more threads about how awesome I am. see what I mean?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeef2 Posted March 2, 2009 Author Share Posted March 2, 2009 Could someone please acknowledge Groundy, so he can feel like his sniffing up my ass here for the last two weeks was justified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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